Why do you think I’m going to great pains to make him clarify what exactly his defense and points are?
By default I’m slightly positive about BPD as I doubt he’d be aligned with Aurelian
What ‘other things’?
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Why do you think I’m going to great pains to make him clarify what exactly his defense and points are?
By default I’m slightly positive about BPD as I doubt he’d be aligned with Aurelian
What ‘other things’?
Weak.
Not only do you try to force someone in the position here, such as myself, to give an absolute polarizing answer that will damn them if they do or damn them if they don't, you are misconstruing my statement that I believe BPD to be misguided and not necessarily scummy and reiterated on that multiple times. But then you still want to paint this as "scum" when there's no real tangible behavior to settle that claim for it.
You saying it doesn't actually disprove it. People and players in this game have this ability called "lying" about their motives or arguments. I am not going to operate accepting what your saying at face value when you have a track record of misrepresenting and using strawman with my words.
You don't have an argument.
You don't have a case.
I asked you why you immediately followed on BPD's weak accusation that I was "copying" my entrance from the last game in day 1 with a vote on me. Where is your caution? Where is the deliberation on things playing out before going at my jugular? And how again does that paint me as being scum?
Pretty easy if you were scum to use him like that, no?
I'm not going to go with your claim about this and trust it.
K.
I think, wait no I don't, I know, you are full of shit here. Substantive answer to what? The tangent is about you following behind BPD accusing me of being "suspicious" and me giving a one-liner back to him? So therefore, you were expecting a long winded answer and would've jumped on me anyway for being "too defensive" about defending myself with a more in depth response?
You are categorically full of shit.
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i've never seen that approach actually yield anything though. in traitors mafia ekko/ultra drilled into him in regards to his read randomly pivoting without any real reason to it. he couldn't answer or explain the pivot and just kept repeating it while saying they're making it up.
it's not that i disagree with what youre presenting. it's the confidence seems incredibly high due to the margin of error that is present.
he's not going to budge and there's no reason to keep going at it. nothing will convince him otherwise. better off seeing other people's reactions!
@Grammaton pls wait for others to come and see what their responses are before just resuming this.
What? There isn’t a margin of error, this guy is the easiest day 1 catch in history, he’s incapable of escaping his own gravity. He’s just posted 2 autobiographies about how I’m full of shit (not wrong, full of shit) but he’s scared to vote me cause it’ll look like OMGUS
?????????????
- asked you for evidence of behavior from me that is scummy: you provided zero
- asked you to explain why you are breaking your normal behavior/routines to immediately follow on BPD to go after me: a player who you normally acknowledge is being a wildly unsuccessful tunneler when it comes to reading players as scummy vs towny; you did not respond
- you can't provide and continue to attack me for things I never said
Where is the OMGUS here on my end?
Oh, is that so?
my issue with his play is similar to your original point in how he dismissed bpd's vote on him. as i've checked all the recent games and it isn't how he reacts to pressure initially.
in terms of margin of error, again im referring to his posts/thoughts/etc being straight forward and traceable. they won't be and it won't help you reach any sort of conclusion on him. i've seen poyser go at lengths about this stuff and how it doesn't track so i don't think that really helps add anything to your case.
the point about OMGUS also stands out well. that said, he was calling me shit in fairy tail mafia but iirc he was calling me shit scum. im looking at that one right now.
my overall point is i want to see how others react rather have your gigantic back and forth with him. go ahead and convince them after but there's much more benefit to see what others think of the exchange than just continuously hammering it home.
Yes, you were caught in 2 separate games off an aggregate of 4 posts, I cannot think of another player comparable. That’s not even meant as like a dig, it’s the facts of what happened
page 5/7 (stopped at post 150)
town
gram - strongest town read. thoughts on aurelian and sworder matched mine as im catching up
melkor - attempts to solve magic and gram early seems townie melkor. scum melkor would drop a line that says "they are giving me power wolf vibes" and call it a day
lean town
magic
sworder
town side of null
evans - if hes scum im gna need tpein to bury him here
null
BLD - can see as potential town but what hes discussing with gram RE: sworder seems pointless
CP - telling evans to stop talking about tpein is easy topic. need something else
aurelian
RAEM
psychic
town
gram - strongest town read. thoughts on aurelian and sworder matched mine as im catching up
melkor - attempts to solve magic and gram early seems townie melkor. scum melkor would drop a line that says "they are giving me power wolf vibes" and call it a day
lean town
magic
sworder
town side of null
evans - if hes scum im gna need tpein to bury him here
null
BLD - can see as potential town but what hes discussing with gram RE: sworder seems pointless
CP - telling evans to stop talking about tpein is easy topic. need something else
aurelian
RAEM
psychic
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@Aurelian i don't really have anything to add to that back and forth and don't want to pollute the thread. you've said your piece. if you want to continue you can do so. if others have questions they can ask. this legitimately isn't worth my time. my 'inconsistency' is a byproduct of read...
onelastforum.com this is what i was looking for, but this is after extensive back and forth and him already making out points as to why im scummy. not just starting off with calling me an idiot.
So I'm not expected to be able to defend myself when Grammaton says I'm being scummy but refuses to elaborate or explain how I am being scummy, despite the onus and burden of proof being on him. He doesn't provide any receipts but fell back repeatedly on citing me calling BPD's stupid post "retarded" as being the only evidence he needed and doesn't touch on anything else in the game that would highlight my behavior being outside of my "norm". But then reiterates that he isn't using or following BPD's post at me but just happens to come immediately swinging at me following BPD's post who has fucked off from the thread for almost an hour now.
Strange coincidence I'm sure.
Then this:
"BPD has nothing to do with this I just was already prepared to vote you."
You are and were too prepared for BPD's post and its timing to say it isn't suspicious as fuck. A one-liner from him which doesn't base itself around anything other then a mindless reach to another game to angle shoot at me doesn't apparently trip any alarm bells from you when he says that but me dismissing him without bothering to go into depths is what bothered you to target me as being scummy?
You are full of shit, Grammaton.
Strange coincidence I'm sure.
Then this:
"BPD has nothing to do with this I just was already prepared to vote you."
You are and were too prepared for BPD's post and its timing to say it isn't suspicious as fuck. A one-liner from him which doesn't base itself around anything other then a mindless reach to another game to angle shoot at me doesn't apparently trip any alarm bells from you when he says that but me dismissing him without bothering to go into depths is what bothered you to target me as being scummy?
You are full of shit, Grammaton.
Again I’ll repeat for … maybe the 4th time?
My vote on you has 0 to do with BPD, other than the fact it was him you were replying to. I will happily keep clarifying this for you every time you post something to the contrary
You literally said you felt I was trying to lure you into an OMGUS trap, do you want me to quote the post for you?
Your doing the same shit and doing the angle shooting thing. No real belief or convinction in calling me scum, only trying to push me for a lynch because you are looking for a weak player to bully. Frankly if you are town, this isn't impressive.
let me get to the crux of the issue here so we can stop with the paragraphs.
you're calling him out for being full of shit, but wont call him scummy or move to vote him. you aren't saying he's town and presenting a bad case(you said it might be the case earlier but you didn't reach a conclusion) and you won't call him scummy. you're main focus is just proving his case is false, which is completely self preservation and playing to survive rather playing to hunt.
You can repeat it all you want, its falling on deaf ears here.
You can do this ad naseum. You are still full of shit because I have zero belief in your conviction that it isn't case of the opposite.
You entirely engineered and premeditated this to prep a mislynch. Every single angle or direction is something you want: if I accuse you, its OMGUS, if I accuse X, its OMGUS, if I don't accuse either of you, its "Fang is scum because he doesn't want to accuse a town player of being scum in case he survives and they flips and gets tunneled on it".
So no, fuck off with this false dichotomy bullshit.
Still no vote?
Putting quotation marks around something I neither said nor implied isn’t really smart strategy now is it?
For the 5th time, as you appear to not grasp this:
BPDs post to you was immaterial , it was how you chose to respond to it. I couldn’t have prepared anything because my vote was a reaction to your own reaction. If you don’t believe this and still don’t vote me, I have absolutely no idea what the fuck you’re doing here
why would it be impressive in any way unless you're not town lol.
if he's town and you're town it's awful play opposed to "not impressive".
STILL NO VOTE????
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