Final Fantasy XIV Mafia - Game Thread

[The X]

He is copped town

He has claimed vig

He was blocked so his claim came out naturally in assuming he had found scum as he couldn't have known tweet blocked him

He isn't scum

He's just trying to poison the well here.

 

[Psychic]

I think I’m sort of caught up…

Holy shit

Was there really 3 town roleblockers in Ratchet’s last game?
I think the only mech I can trust right now is that CP is the cop and BLD is the vig/stump.
Everything else I’m just gonna go by reads.

They’re protecting Nat, she’s the correct lynch. Don’t think I target her for no reason

How do you feel about executing Magic? It would give us so much info right now. He needs to be resolved.

 

[Rej]

Fantastic

It’s mass claim btw @Rej

I don't see any damning mechanics in this game so far, so hard vanillaing this one.

What a scummy welcome Gram, and this after months of not playing together.
I need a summary of this day so far. D1 looked a bit too tense for my taste and I will let the day ones handle that one.

 

[Grammaton]

basically mailed asfk scum read transitions into a scum read (?) when there is an appetite in the thread for an ekko direction (cp, magic, odd, nat questioned my alignment for a bit. magic asked for a scum game of mine and said if im scum his entire read list falls, odd and nat scum read me, cp is just like BPD mailing the fk out of it and masking it behind "bad player. its what i expect from him etc..")

So essentially, it’s that you don’t like he’s willing to lynch you now that other players have said they’re willing to lynch you?

 

[Grammaton]

I don't see any damning mechanics in this game so far, so hard vanillaing this one.

What a scummy welcome Gram, and this after months of not playing together.
I need a summary of this day so far. D1 looked a bit too tense for my taste and I will let the day ones handle that one.

I’ll get over it

Hi btw

You’re claiming vanilla yes?

 

[The X]

that was the last straw

when he gave me his reads earlier he was mailing the fk out of it i even asked him if he want my mailbox number

i knew it was eventually coming, and what a time for it to come out

check this post out lol

I mean, the post you quoted was me giving reasons why I was worried about those slots. I literally say at the end of my read on you that I felt you might be playing with the mind of creating narratives instead of actual progression. I was starting to come around on Craig as well, and his cop claim and usage makes sense to me, which means that your case on him is wrong. If you think I'm mailing it in, that's because you're only comparing me right now to my uber aggressive town game and I've said multiple times that's not what I'm doing here. I've read the game, I've interacted, I know what's going on. I don't need to feel like isoing slots just to pull posts and prove my points. I want to play this game a bit more patiently and freely, while going with my gut a bit more, than deep diving into posts and picking everything apart. I'm playing at my own pace right now.

 

[The X]

basically mailed asfk scum read transitions into a scum read (?) when there is an appetite in the thread for an ekko direction (cp, magic, odd, nat questioned my alignment for a bit. magic asked for a scum game of mine and said if im scum his entire read list falls, odd and nat scum read me, cp is just like BPD mailing the fk out of it and masking it behind "bad player. its what i expect from him etc..")

You're back filling. You can't say 'this is what I expected him to do' after I've done it with no prior hinting.

 

[The X]

All you said was that I was mailing my reads in, not that I was going to turn on you.

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

i'll break problems i have with this post down

I do think most of what you're saying is good.

ok

I did think your early case against Craig didn't necessarily have any ulterior motive, and I did believe it for a bit,

ok

but

now I think maybe Craig is town here.

unestablished properly / some degree of pre-flipping or tmi if cp is indeed town

I do agree with your argument on Nat being an easier mislynch for wolves (if Nat is town) but then you also voted Nat as well, which means it could have just been easier for you to vote Fang this phase had Nat been a mislynch (if you were wolf).

very poor representation of my words. i said if nat flips scum im never lynching aurelian, if nat flipped town people will have an easier time to lynch aurelian, hence why it was the optimal move for scum to do, and he agrees with it, and i used it as a lead to form scum reads around nat's wagon (lethal being the major one for being absent and unable to hammer it)

I also think some of the questions you've been asking could be a bit narrative forming instead of progressive.

unestablished. which questions exactly?

It's weird that you're saying 'you pose no threat to me'. I don't have you as a wolf read, but you're someone I think could be power wolfing.

this is the definition of a mailed read and straight up fence sitting. i asked what do u need from me to read me town and received no reply iirc

Magic I am just feeling weird vibes from and I can't explain it in great detail. If he's wolf, it's easy to call people town and just hide behind that. He's been confident and right about town, which is fine, but if he's got TMI, it's expected. I'm probably worried about Magic the most here out of players I think have been 'townish'.

Tweet I think I gave too easy of a town read based of his town reading of Melkor. He's been largely absent since early game. I feel like he was also happy to jump on my wagon without really wolf reading me or giving further explanation why he was comfortable voting for my slot.

rest of the post is about other players

anyway so its an obvious case of a mailed read transitioning to a scum read when there is appetite for it without taking any initiatives to try and work with me first

 

[The X]

Gonna try work with you here

Imagine you draw town roleblocker- is there anything wrong with blocking a stump claim/hint?

The WS boys like to live and die by the claim. I hint a tree stump, something multiple players commented on in thread. I don't ever remember Tweet strongly wolf reading me, so much that my hint should have been trumped by whatever wolf read Tweet thought he had on me. Nowhere did Tweet say 'I thought maybe BPD was wolf power role' all he said was 'yeah you were among my top wolf reads' when I really didn't think I was. However, Tweet is only wolf here if he came out of the bush to protect his mate Xadlin. I think that there being there role blockers last game also allows wolves to feel bolder about throwing a second role block claim into the mix or counter claiming the role blocker. I would be surprised if there were two role blockers in this game and Tweet has yet to clarify how many shots he has. I also think Ekko being the one to come out and say 'remember we had three role blocks last game!' pings me a bit because I feel that could lead some credence to the idea that wolves are big braining with a second role block claim.

 

[The X]

can i request u to think about it deeper, tweet claimed near instantly after u said u shot xadlin. ur solve is pretty surface level tbh

Yeah, Tweet might be town here. I think a pairing of you/Magic could be a world we're living in.

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

So essentially, it’s that you don’t like he’s willing to lynch you now that other players have said they’re willing to lynch you?

i dont mind ppl wanting to lynch me, its usually more town wanting it than scum (usually)

but in his case his read is extremely mailed in and thats the scummy part. he can just be direct about it from the start wud be far better

and to make it worst he makes no attempts to try to work it out with me, ask me alignment stimulating questions, tell me how can i help him read me despite offering it like an open book

 

[The X]

So essentially, it’s that you don’t like he’s willing to lynch you now that other players have said they’re willing to lynch you?

This means jack shit because it requires people taking my word for it, but if I am believed to be the vig, the names on the table last night for me were Xadlin, Nat, Lethal, and Ekko. I've already gone over why I was worried about Ekko, so he never really was off the table for me in any way.

 

[The X]

i'll break problems i have with this post down


ok


ok





unestablished properly / some degree of pre-flipping or tmi if cp is indeed town


very poor representation of my words. i said if nat flips scum im never lynching aurelian, if nat flipped town people will have an easier time to lynch aurelian, hence why it was the optimal move for scum to do, and he agrees with it, and i used it as a lead to form scum reads around nat's wagon (lethal being the major one for being absent and unable to hammer it)


unestablished. which questions exactly?


this is the definition of a mailed read and straight up fence sitting. i asked what do u need from me to read me town and received no reply iirc


rest of the post is about other players

anyway so its an obvious case of a mailed read transitioning to a scum read when there is appetite for it without taking any initiatives to try and work with me first

I'm never getting lynched and I'm never leaving this game, so I'm not wasting my time arguing with you when I have a few things on my side saying why I'm town.

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

I mean, the post you quoted was me giving reasons why I was worried about those slots. I literally say at the end of my read on you that I felt you might be playing with the mind of creating narratives instead of actual progression. I was starting to come around on Craig as well, and his cop claim and usage makes sense to me, which means that your case on him is wrong. If you think I'm mailing it in, that's because you're only comparing me right now to my uber aggressive town game and I've said multiple times that's not what I'm doing here. I've read the game, I've interacted, I know what's going on. I don't need to feel like isoing slots just to pull posts and prove my points. I want to play this game a bit more patiently and freely, while going with my gut a bit more, than deep diving into posts and picking everything apart. I'm playing at my own pace right now.

this doesnt answer a very important question that u've been avoiding alot - why do u have cp as town lol

 

[Magic]

I think I’m sort of caught up…

Holy shit

Was there really 3 town roleblockers in Ratchet’s last game?
I think the only mech I can trust right now is that CP is the cop and BLD is the vig/stump.
Everything else I’m just gonna go by reads.

How do you feel about executing Magic? It would give us so much info right now. He needs to be resolved.

What do you think of ekko susing both the vig and cop claims?

 

[Grammaton]

The WS boys like to live and die by the claim. I hint a tree stump, something multiple players commented on in thread. I don't ever remember Tweet strongly wolf reading me, so much that my hint should have been trumped by whatever wolf read Tweet thought he had on me. Nowhere did Tweet say 'I thought maybe BPD was wolf power role' all he said was 'yeah you were among my top wolf reads' when I really didn't think I was. However, Tweet is only wolf here if he came out of the bush to protect his mate Xadlin. I think that there being there role blockers last game also allows wolves to feel bolder about throwing a second role block claim into the mix or counter claiming the role blocker. I would be surprised if there were two role blockers in this game and Tweet has yet to clarify how many shots he has. I also think Ekko being the one to come out and say 'remember we had three role blocks last game!' pings me a bit because I feel that could lead some credence to the idea that wolves are big braining with a second role block claim.

But does he even -need- to wolf read you?

In theory you’re the safest shot possible

If youre town youre just a stump
If you’re scum then who cares

Yours is literally the first time I’ve seen a stump with another role - there’s nothing inherently wrong with that but town rb is a hard role to play well

If you think of it through that prism, it’ll make sense I promise

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

I'm never getting lynched and I'm never leaving this game, so I'm not wasting my time arguing with you when I have a few things on my side saying why I'm town.

ur prefered direction last day flipped town, u surely wanna approach wagons with this attitude now?

 

[The X]

Ekko could have tackled my post he's dissecting at anytime but is only now choosing to come at me after I vote for him. He's trying to setup his own narratives on his own time.

 

[Magic]

i dont mind ppl wanting to lynch me, its usually more town wanting it than scum (usually)

but in his case his read is extremely mailed in and thats the scummy part. he can just be direct about it from the start wud be far better

and to make it worst he makes no attempts to try to work it out with me, ask me alignment stimulating questions, tell me how can i help him read me despite offering it like an open book

There's too much mechanical stuff in his favor for it to make sense ekko. Just accept he mailed it in.