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Game Ranked Medieval Fantasy Mafia - Game Thread

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Black Pegged Dragon said:
Yup your case against Melkor was pretty good. I think Whicker's comment needs to be considered as well. If Melkor really did want to self preserve himself, then just vote me and move on. He made multiple posts around voting me that just seemed like he was self aware of how his vote on me might be perceived. Doesn't seem townie.
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Yeah this is one of the parts I think is good
 
@Psychic What exactly is your point against me? I'm not responding to all that -

1 - When I say I haven't read the case on Melkor, I'm referring to the one Magic asked me about, I believe he posted it the start of Day 2.

2 - In regards to Fang, I'm more interested in his direction yesterday. Because you were a near-universal townread - his vote wasn't likely to elicit anything but posture about where he wants to go, whereas mine at least was on a player that could, plausibly, have been pressured into claiming. I didn't get chance to switch as when I did get back, apparently the day was almost over.

3 - I can only give my honest opinion. You'll note I've specifically not tried to obstruct the Melkor wagon outright so I again reject the notion that I'm somehow tied to him. However, all I've got is my opinion, and I've seen him play scummy as Town - I have far, far more experience with him than you do, and I'm confident that anyone with similar levels of experience with him as me, perhaps even he himself, would tend to agree that he can play very scummy even when he's town. It's simply a byproduct of how he plays. So much rings ingenuine it feels often that you have him in a slam dunk - I've seen him lynched convinced he would flip Scum only to see him flip town and ask myself "how the hell is he town?".

I think there are valid points against him and you'll also note I shut down the angle that some were using to townread him, that being his surprise at his double vote being revealed. You asked what my motivation was, I contend that it's your job to work this one out - if I'm trying to save him to the point I would put my neck on the line for him, I like to think I'd do a better job than half-assing it. What do you think?
 
Magic said:
Do you or @Lord Melkor have a scum game I can use for reference. Particularly use as I don't want him to pick a favorable one for himself.

I haven't really seen that from him as town in the games I played with him. His progressions and thoughts generally made sense so this game is a bit of contrast to that. I also generally don't like when people abandon town reads on a whim as it shows a lack of conviction to narrowing down poe.
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I am afraid i have better and worse days in mafia. Day 1 of this game lools like one of my worse games.

I was mafia in Ratchet' HP game and Fuji's Dressrosa game on FV this year. And Aries's Batman game on WG from 2 months ago.
 
Kind of annoying that alco just hasn’t been around at all this phase lol. I have almost no time to play today
 
Magic said:
Ya but you hinted at halfway hours into day after already had been posting. It obviously isn't 100% info otherwise I'm assuming you would have offered it up as one to lynch so it just came off weird and timing wise it looked weird too after ratchet's vote.
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On the other hand if he has mechanical result on Utra he may have wanted to see the day develop a bit naturally before revealing it, right?
 
Black Pegged Dragon said:
The fact that RDK got CFD showed there was enough time to build a wagon on someone else. The fact that Melkor decided that there wasn't enough time to do ANYTHING other than vote a town read for self preservation, shows me he was too focused on surviving compared to solving the game or making a move. The fact that Melkor voted for RDK shows me that he was willing to move his vote to where there was momentum. He voted me despite his town read because there was no momentum anywhere else. He voted RDK because there was momentum for that wagon. These don't feel like town motivations.
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You can check easily that i had a scum read on RDK before his wagon even formed.
 
Psychic said:
On that note, has anyone been targeted with a status effect that needs healing? Please speak up so that BPD can heal you this dayphase.

So why Alco over melkor?
Why do you keep diverting the lynch away from Melkor?

I think Gram might be wrong about you. Gram needs to vote Melkor and I dont understand why he's hesitant to do so.
@Grammaton Reasons for not voting Melkor?

1) All Melkor said is that he was a nobleman with two voting power. How the fuck is that a claim???

2) He chose to prioritize himself over outed healer.
So he must think he's some kind of super strong town power role.
@Lord Melkor Pray tell what stuffs did you do last night to help town?

3) If Melkor is a town power role, why did Mafia prioritize killing Flower over Melkor???

I never said I was 100% sure about you, but your slot needs to be resolved.

So the other post you said I was scummy.
Now this post, you said I have town energy.
Put here you are trying to gather people's opinion of me to see if you can get a wagon going on me.

Since you prioritize yourself over healer, what have u done for town? Why are you so valuable? And if you are so valuable, why did mafia prioritize killing Flower over you?

This is bullshit. How does being suprise that your vote count shows makes you look town?

Here you are again asking People their opinion of me, what is your motive here?

So you scumread Melkor, yet you voted Alco. WHY???
Why do you and Poyser keep diverting from the Melkor lynch?
Why do you vote the same?
Poyser and Whisker have team equity here.

You also scumread Melkor and didn't vote him, hypocrite much?


This is utter bullshit ratchet.
You haven't read the case on him yet???
The guy was one of the main lynches and you haven't read the case on him???
This is terribad if you're town. I don't see how town ratchet can let this slide.
You haven't read shit on him but goes on to defend him and say he's a bad town player which again is utter bullshit.
I've seen Melkor as town and he's quite good at it.
But here you come and paint him as some kinda apeshit player that needs to be handheld with the IQ of a 2 year old.
Seems like LM has some high scum role and you need to keep him alive on your scum team and you are chatising him because you are upset he got caught day 1.
is that why you keep diverting the lynch away from him?


Like I said, out with the mech, otherwise you're just scum hopping on a wagon.
Vig this slot if he doesnt out with mech.

You are asking a psychic why she is confidant that someone is town when they barely post, simple. Psychic vibes.

good post by Aurelian on Ratchet's bullshit posts.

Last day, Ratchet was chatising Aurelian to vote elsewhere because my wagon isn't happening, forcing Aurelian to hop on the RDK lynch.
Notice how ratchet himself didn't hop on the RDK lynch despite chatising Aurelian for voting me.
Ratchet kept his vote on Lethal despite acknowledging Poyser's comment that scum lethal would of pushed on another player.
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Psychic said:
Now today, Ratchet pushes on Aurelian and calls him scum for voting RDK.
Sounds like a setup to me.
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No i am nothing but a double voter. Which is still not a bad role looking at power level of this game so far. And why do you think claimed healer (not a doctor, who flipped) is so dangerous for scum? Scum likely have tools to deal with him, such as redirector or blocker.

And i am asking people opinions about you to help me develop my read on you. As a scum i would not need it since i would have TMI.
 
Whicker
Aurelian
Psychic
Mango

Gram
Lethal
Ultra
Magic
Tweet (this is mostly a gun to head read, I think he’s made some ok points but it’s hard to have any kind of confidence with how apathetic he’s been. Feel like I’d usually be pinged by now if scum)

Scummy

Alco
Ratchet
Tpein

Melkor (think I’d put him just on the scummy side after chewing over magics case and im leaning towards just trusting magic but im not confident he’s gonna be scum)
BPD (I’m putting him scum side again on his play independently, but he’s obviously not here if melkor is scum. I’m starting to tinfoil that BPD and alco might be aligned here tho based on BPDs play around him today plus how performative it seemed when alco was expressing frustration about the BPD wagon not taking off. It’s starting to read like they were just distancing from each other Imo)

Don’t really have an opinion on yet

Vinegar
Conq (gonna wait to see how his info plays out with regards to ultra but what I will say is if Melkor is scum then this does seem like an attempt to redirect that wagon)

If melkor flips town, magic is gonna drop right down for me. I’d say Conq is pretty likely to be town in that scenario too as there’s no reason to do what he’s doing in regards to ultra if he could just let melkor be lynched. I’d probably have to rethink ratchet a little too although obviously there’s higher expectations of him rather than just going along with the popular wagon anyway but he hasn’t been interested in melkor today and he wasn’t really interested in RDK yesterday. I’d probably move lethal down as well since positionally it would kinda start to look like melkor wagon was formed as an out for him

If melkor flips scum then BPD is obviously just town so he goes right up. I’d have to bring gram down because of the link magic mentioned but also because he’s spent the majority of the time pushing BPD who would obviously be town in this scenario. Like I said I think Conq is a very good shout for being aligned with melkor and I think tpein probably has potential there too.
 
vote melkor

I’m hopeful to be back for at least a little before deadline but I’m not sure if I’ll be able to so I’ll just throw my vote down now
 
Ratchet said:
@Psychic What exactly is your point against me? I'm not responding to all that -

1 - When I say I haven't read the case on Melkor, I'm referring to the one Magic asked me about, I believe he posted it the start of Day 2.

2 - In regards to Fang, I'm more interested in his direction yesterday. Because you were a near-universal townread - his vote wasn't likely to elicit anything but posture about where he wants to go, whereas mine at least was on a player that could, plausibly, have been pressured into claiming. I didn't get chance to switch as when I did get back, apparently the day was almost over.

3 - I can only give my honest opinion. You'll note I've specifically not tried to obstruct the Melkor wagon outright so I again reject the notion that I'm somehow tied to him. However, all I've got is my opinion, and I've seen him play scummy as Town - I have far, far more experience with him than you do, and I'm confident that anyone with similar levels of experience with him as me, perhaps even he himself, would tend to agree that he can play very scummy even when he's town. It's simply a byproduct of how he plays. So much rings ingenuine it feels often that you have him in a slam dunk - I've seen him lynched convinced he would flip Scum only to see him flip town and ask myself "how the hell is he town?".

I think there are valid points against him and you'll also note I shut down the angle that some were using to townread him, that being his surprise at his double vote being revealed. You asked what my motivation was, I contend that it's your job to work this one out - if I'm trying to save him to the point I would put my neck on the line for him, I like to think I'd do a better job than half-assing it. What do you think?
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I think that the main point i have seen against you that i agree with is that you left your vote on Lethal EOD yesterday despite the fact that you were critical of people leaving votes that do not go anywhere. Can you explain this?
 
Lord Melkor said:
If there actually are status effects in this game (implies more than one so propably town can inflict them too) i can imagine scum having some protections against them.

BPD claiming after he said he is not going to is not proof he is scum, but i would say it is a point against him.
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Please explain how it's a point against me? You never once mentioned how it was a point against me last day when you were town reading me.
 
Poyser said:
Yes, you’re either being obtuse on purpose here or are just really not understanding what I’m saying. My point is melkor has already claimed, there’s nothing more you can get out of voting him other than to lynch him, with which we absolutely do not need to do straight away. I was expecting you to be happy to help me put some pressure onto alco because currently it only appears that me and you are even interested in him, so clearly we have some work to do there to convince others, which isn’t anything that can be said for Melkor who seemingly everybody reads scum. We could put pressure on alco to see how he reacts, see how others react, and hopefully eventually get him to at least claim and then you can decide which of the two you’d prefer to lynch.

Yet youve shown no interest in alco whatsoever other than to say you’re convinced he was a wolf. This is what I mean, that statement doesn’t match up with your actions at all
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Melkor never claimed, his double vote was exposed. He also says he's got nothing else for a role. You and I play fundamentally different here, Poyser, and that's fine, but you have yet to grasp that notion. I don't vote someone for claims, because I don't like claiming. I am happy to put pressure on Alco, but I got involved with Gram instead and then I just didn't have time to do anything else. You're acting like we're out of time and can't do ANYTHING else anymore this day. But where is your pressure on Alco? You've chosen to fucking harp on my passive claim and then whatever else we're arguing about now. You've actively chosen to take up whatever issue you have with my slot instead of focusing your energy on Alco. So you can say whatever you want about me, but the fact that I'm voting Melkor and was interacting with Gram, my two wolf reads, is objectively better than whatever you're doing with my slot this day despite saying you read Alco as wolf and want to push him. Shouldn't you get on that instead then?
 
Poyser said:
Setup spec sucks, but just thinking that if BPD Is legit then alongside hime that’s 2 town protective roles that will punish mafia for shooting. Kinda seems a little much? Like as well as protecting from kill and poison/whatever else, they also harm mafia for killing on top of making their kill fail
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Agreed but I don't believe BPD's claim really. Hime flipped as town doctor, he claims town healer who rolecrushes his killer for the following night phase. I have issues with this from a mech standpoint. Hime could protect a player she targets (3x shot) and had a passive that literally does what BPD is claiming when she does successfully target the same player she's protecting.

Only difference is BPD is saying his is a result from dying if successfully killed.
CraigPelton said:
Night 1

hime was killed, she was...
Born from an ancient lineage, tasked with a sacred duty...

You are Arcun, the Dragonborn Wanderer, Expedition aligned.

Abilities:

Protect (active) - Once per night, you may choose another player to protect from any immediate killing actions that night. You can perform this action three times during the game.

Riposte (passive) - When protecting a player, you will prevent any player who attempts a direct killing action against that player from taking any action the following night.

You win when all threats to the Expedition have been eliminated.
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