Game Ranked Skyrim Mafia

[Ratchet]

Course there is - it’s disingenuous to imply otherwise, given I could quite easily argue -this- was the agenda, for example:

- make a bad observation
- retract it
- claim only innocence makes sense as there’s no possible scum agenda, therefore I can’t be scum

I’m not necessarily married to the idea that that’s what you’re doing, but for you to move to strike that off entirely as a possibility is a bad faith argument. Read stands.

Yes but this fails to consider that I've made several attempts to defend the initial comment - including for example the suggestion that I've coached him. I'm not asking to be town read from it, but I think it's a strange thing to argue against me because there is no real agenda at play here (obviously only I truly know whether there is or not). It just doesn't make much sense - if you disagree with it then why are you not attacking the defence I've made of it, instead of giving me a layup here?

Or you can actually address what I've said on it that makes it so bad/establish why my posts around Ekko are noise.

It’s like me demanding you town read me because I hadn’t taken your follow up into account - there’s no scum reason for me to be so careless, therefore I can’t be scum

I've considered this and came away with the impression that it actually lines up with you being an indie of some sort - the lack of reading suggests a lack of motivation, and the argument you made contains neither the positional care you'd have as scum, and the tendency you have as town to hold your cards closer to your chest to make a more measured read afterwards.

 

[Ratchet]

including for example the suggestion that I've coached him

I don't know why I phrased it like this - "the suggestion that he was coached". Is what I meant*

 

[Grammaton]

Yes but this fails to consider that I've made several attempts to defend the initial comment - including for example the suggestion that I've coached him. I'm not asking to be town read from it, but I think it's a strange thing to argue against me because there is no real agenda at play here (obviously only I truly know whether there is or not). It just doesn't make much sense - if you disagree with it then why are you not attacking the defence I've made of it, instead of giving me a layup here?

Or you can actually address what I've said on it that makes it so bad/establish why my posts around Ekko are noise.

I've considered this and came away with the impression that it actually lines up with you being an indie of some sort - the lack of reading suggests a lack of motivation, and the argument you made contains neither the positional care you'd have as scum, and the tendency you have as town to hold your cards closer to your chest to make a more measured read afterwards.

Because going back and forth with ekko when he’s asspulling reads or saying people not conforming to his every whim aren’t being pro town etc is just a total waste of time when you’re doing it to defend yourself, let alone someone else

The fact you’re choosing to do it on behalf of a third party you’ve no reason to is what bothers me

 

[Grammaton]

Yes but this fails to consider that I've made several attempts to defend the initial comment - including for example the suggestion that I've coached him. I'm not asking to be town read from it, but I think it's a strange thing to argue against me because there is no real agenda at play here (obviously only I truly know whether there is or not). It just doesn't make much sense - if you disagree with it then why are you not attacking the defence I've made of it, instead of giving me a layup here?

Or you can actually address what I've said on it that makes it so bad/establish why my posts around Ekko are noise.

I've considered this and came away with the impression that it actually lines up with you being an indie of some sort - the lack of reading suggests a lack of motivation, and the argument you made contains neither the positional care you'd have as scum, and the tendency you have as town to hold your cards closer to your chest to make a more measured read afterwards.

The bolded is an observation I can’t get my head around - if I’m Indy, I have more incentive, not less to blend in and keep my head above water

My not reading isn’t lack of motivation, it’s lack of time

 

[Grammaton]

What I’m struggling to see is how, if you came from a mindset of him being coached, did you then see that particular post from fang that made you rule out prior coaching?

 

[T-Pein™]

yo,
who we lynching today?

 

[MangoSenpai]

Jarl Ballin' has arrived

 

[T-Pein™]

I think this is the way.

vote lynch BPD

 

[Ratchet]

Because going back and forth with ekko when he’s asspulling reads or saying people not conforming to his every whim aren’t being pro town etc is just a total waste of time when you’re doing it to defend yourself, let alone someone else

The fact you’re choosing to do it on behalf of a third party you’ve no reason to is what bothers me

I scum read Ekko and have my vote on him -

The bolded is an observation I can’t get my head around - if I’m Indy, I have more incentive, not less to blend in and keep my head above water

My not reading isn’t lack of motivation, it’s lack of time

In theory sure, in practice I could very much see you disinterested as a result of rolling one. I'm not exactly married to the idea, I just wanted to establish that I have given it some thought.

What I’m struggling to see is how, if you came from a mindset of him being coached, did you then see that particular post from fang that made you rule out prior coaching?

I feel like if you read what I said around this in full you'd follow my thought process - I said I thought he was coached because his initial language felt aggressive in an unnatural way. So the first thought that crossed my mind was "maybe someone told him to be very aggressive". Then I saw a few later posts from him that looked both natural and genuine for him, and thought "okay no he's probably town".

While I'm here, because I don't think you've read it, I don't agree that he "can't" be coached. He was receptive to things suggested in JJK, he was just sloppy in executing it. As the game went on, he became more recalcitrant towards it, but for example he claimed when he was told to claim. Even towards the end, despite resisting being told to stop posting, he *did* actually stop posting. Obviously I had some issues with him as a teammate, I still do, but I can't in good faith say he would not try to act on something especially if it had been hammered into him before the game.

 

[MangoSenpai]

lastly, who the fk is nazeem??

Is the pleasant fellow who always says "Do you go to the cloud district very often? Oh what am I saying, of course you don't"

Spoiler

 

[MangoSenpai]

Rolling the dice for my ballin' senses to tell me who is the scum in this game

 

[MangoSenpai]

Shit, I can't go against my own senses..

Vote Lynch MangoSenpai

get this bastard

 

[T-Pein™]

Rolling the dice for my ballin' senses to tell me who is the scum in this game

did you read the thread?
300 posts.
just choose someone.

 

[MangoSenpai]

did you read the thread?
300 posts.
just choose someone.

No I'm skimming as well as getting distracted every 2 seconds lmao, I was hoping someone would talk to me

 

[T-Pein™]

No I'm skimming as well as getting distracted every 2 seconds lmao, I was hoping someone would talk to me

anyways.
your RNG thing means nothing.
make a vote that we can judge you on.
read the thread then just drop a vote.....

I chose BPD cuz to me it seemed like there was immediate pushback to that wagon.
people just pilled on kekko for no reason.

 

[Cubey]

are u fully caught up? this entrance is different from ur usual nonchalant, cant be arsed, waiting for mech day 1 town play. i get the impression that u want to be seen contributing this time around, and the reads u provided are uninspiring. your read of me straight up sound like tmi actually

My reads are uninspiring because nothing of note has happened. The closest we’ve gotten to any solid interactions is fang/magic/bpd and I already said I read fang as town. Donno bout magic and bpd tho.

 

[T-Pein™]

My reads are uninspiring because nothing of note has happened. The closest we’ve gotten to any solid interactions is fang/magic/bpd and I already said I read fang as town. Donno bout magic and bpd tho.

magic plays pro town.
if he is scum he gonna lynch his mates.
Just off him if he is in the top 8 I say.
this is the reputation he built for himself.

 

[Grammaton]

I scum read Ekko and have my vote on him -

In theory sure, in practice I could very much see you disinterested as a result of rolling one. I'm not exactly married to the idea, I just wanted to establish that I have given it some thought.
I feel like if you read what I said around this in full you'd follow my thought process - I said I thought he was coached because his initial language felt aggressive in an unnatural way. So the first thought that crossed my mind was "maybe someone told him to be very aggressive". Then I saw a few later posts from him that looked both natural and genuine for him, and thought "okay no he's probably town".

While I'm here, because I don't think you've read it, I don't agree that he "can't" be coached. He was receptive to things suggested in JJK, he was just sloppy in executing it. As the game went on, he became more recalcitrant towards it, but for example he claimed when he was told to claim. Even towards the end, despite resisting being told to stop posting, he *did* actually stop posting. Obviously I had some issues with him as a teammate, I still do, but I can't in good faith say he would not try to act on something especially if it had been hammered into him before the game.

the bolded isn’t ringing as genuine for me at this point because if you know he’s sloppy, where was the scrutiny in your initial read for the aforementioned slop?

Like i looked at it and the thought of coaching didn’t cross my mind one iota - the framing of your post also looked like you had an objection to him being town read, not necessarily him looking tiwn ir not. Is that unfair to think?

 

[Dalton]

Ratchet Gramma sounds t/t tbh.

 

[Ratchet]

the bolded isn’t ringing as genuine for me at this point because if you know he’s sloppy, where was the scrutiny in your initial read for the aforementioned slop?

I don't really think it matters - I believe he's perfectly capable for one of playing more aggressively if instructed, and it coming across to me as unnatural is by itself sloppy execution if that's what it is, so I'm not really sure what your point actually is here.

Like i looked at it and the thought of coaching didn’t cross my mind one iota - the framing of your post also looked like you had an objection to him being town read, not necessarily him looking tiwn ir not. Is that unfair to think?

Well the first part isn't really pertinent - we're different people with different thought processes. Similar, I'll admit, but different. As for the second part, I think it's slightly unfair - I mentioned the town reads because I didn't agree with them at the point I was at, but the point was by no means "why is Fang being read town" over "I think Fang is scum". I actually feel like this is fairly explicit too - I didn't question anyone directly over their town read of Fang and my argument was couched in Fang receiving coaching which can only have come from him being scum.