Game Ranked Hades Mafia - Game Thread

[Hans Tweetenberg]

It's not centered around his play around Magic is how. It is a part of why I read him that way tho.

So why not give us the whole reason?

 

[The Orca]

Honestly don't know why you keep referencing the last game as if its some holy bible and set in canon to the players here as if its some kind of super meta guideline. Why do you keep going back to it so hard? Its like your struggling for content tbh.

You were constantly voting for Poyser and trying to push his wagon when he hadn't yet started playing. Why are you so interested in his reads all of a sudden?

Is reading, comprehension, and remembering hard for you? If so, I can put you on the Ultra Back to 3rd grade plan

 

[Ultra]

It's not centered around his play around Magic is how. It is a part of why I read him that way tho.

What do we think about making Gad claim lamo

 

[Aurelian]

Because I've read him incorrectly a bunch of times since returning and have had no consistency in being right on him nor is there much post game that makes me realize where I went wrong. It's a blind spot.

Okay so then why are you so confident about someone else you have less history of playing with and exposure to their behavior and tells as contrasted with Craig?

Day 2 foresight is important to me; you're free to disagree. Someone probably can explain this method better in less psychobabble - anyone other than Fang, I mean

Incredibly rude tbh, Retro.

why dont you like what nibel is posting.

i actually concur with gad that what ive seen is mostly town from him. he's being inquisitive and actually questioning people's intentions and motivations and looking to involve himself early and, as stated before, big departure from typical meta play is usually a town signaling thing opposed to scum. most dont have the scum range to change up their playstyle before changing their town playstyle first.

Why should I like what Nibel is posting? Because you say so?

I didn't even mention Gad at all there so that's kind of a goofy strawman to impose into the discussion with me. I emphasized my distrust around Nibel was due to his overtly defensive reaction to Tweet and how he was jumping into things. You can't hand wave generalizations about relative ambigutities of scum play and just brush them off for the sake of a theory (more like guesswork) that it doesn't apply to X because sometimes it can be Y.

I don't get any sense for your normal town aura so far.

 

[Arne Slot]

magic's b-hole remains pristine

@titania

 

[Aurelian]

Magic you seem really defensive right now m8. Aside from Luka and you saying Craig is the hardest player for you to read, you've just double downed on defending Orca more than necessary for a day 1 kickoff.

^

This has little to do with Orca for me and more to do with reading poyser seeing as he's the one asking me the questions.

^

what relevance does this have to your point at all

^

@Aurelian i actually skimmed over that line.

you ASKED me who the hardest player i find to read was.

then i said cp, then YOU asked me why.

then i answered why.

the entire interaction was produced by you then you say it's nothing and use it as a point against me. it's not like i came into the thread and declared i find hard cp to read and then followed up without reason to state why. that was the content you asked for. what was the intention of your questions? because it's clear the answers didn't matter at all as you were going to use it as a point against me regardless which makes ??? sense.

This is the entire interaction. My point was subtle but clear enough: why are you spending so much time establishing a read and investing yourself on it with Orca whose at this point in the game done nothing of real value. You mentioned earlier to Poyser you saw it in Orca's own way when you think of his town play as being "proactive". At the same time you say you constantly can't grasp Craig's alignment when reading him compared to everyone else. So my point was why are you spending so much time getting so riled up and focused on saving face for Orca instead of working toward other players that are harder for you to play?

This reminds me of how you generally play both sides when you slip into your scum-hunting mode as mafia. You think this was me setting you up for some kind of trap I prepared for you? Why do I need anything more then to ask you a question to see if your being honest or lying to my face? Why do you to take the view I'm going to use whatever you say to try and railroad you on it?

Your making a lot of awful big assumptions about what was a relatively innocuous question and statement surrounding your play with Orca.

just aurelian things tho innit

Ofc

why dofla over ekko. you had sus on both or at least it appears that way.

Why are you thinking my post to T-Pein was honestly serious?

 

[Arne Slot]

What do we think about making Gad claim lamo

let's get it

vote Gad

 

[Aurelian]

what is a red flag if not a scum read/thought?

as in, outside of commenting on others comments of ekko, your only memorable direct quote involving him had you saying it's a red flag he didnt go for or say anything about melkor early game?

You keep going for absolute "do you see this guy as scum or town?" and "why this line of thought if you aren't gonna do whatever"? I don't like anything of Ekko's early play and directions. As I said to Ultra, I neither town nor scum read him, since historically I've been under pressure to generally clearly catch his correct alignment in most games. Also why does my quote matter if its memorable or not vs if I am potentially scum and you want to imply I have tmi or something.

Do you have anything of substance here?

10 pages in, i dont like his play and not because i think it's nonsense but because i feel like he's mostly done observations and the non-observational stuff doesn't track properly.

like he called ekko out for having a red flag and then started defending him which may be TMI.

his progression on me didn't make much sense and idk why he'd care about my orca read so much regardess.


i also dont really like gad as i feel like his posts were without reads, in any of them. he's asking questions and stuff, but i saw no conclusions at all.

What don't you like about my play? I thought you considered yourself an expert in reading me when I'm whatever alignment. And how was my progression and focus on you not make sense? I came out of the gate saying in my posts focused on you that your play doesn't have me supporting a view of seeing your normal townie play and I've continued from there.

Your pivoting and shifting a lot here tbdean.

sup friendo. you are neutral but leaning towards scummy in my book, since you showed up late but promised to be more active later on. but i aint letting ym eyes of ya.

laos, on request of @Ekkologix my thoughts:

polar bear feels sus, cause to much energy.

ultra bear feels town, why? they felt solid, piercing some people and leveheaded.

luka was first aqdn pretty active, tho they feels a bit flummy. might be a act for scum, since they jumped on a vote first adn not really describing it first. havent played i thin with them before, so ill get more intel on day 2 i believe, after todays lynch

Dolfy said blod adn darkness, which only one person in the game says, so i felt scum meter alert. they also dipped and even when they returned didnt put up much of a defence or tried to justify.
i might have missed or any but id like to hear it from @DoflaMihawk .

melkor is scummy to. he plays kinda the same way when i was might him as scum, coming in, asking for directions and such, while not trying to take a to much neutral stance.

Ekko, you have been very aggresive this game. maybe thats just your playstyle. scum hunting is one of your strong points tho you are good at coming off aggresive so that you can pass the scum test. still feels scummy to me.

magic leans more town, those they are kinda being based in their arguments and such.

man there are so many peeps tt keep track on. i havent really gotten into tweet or gaddimesnion

most things are just fluff and in game jokes i dont get, so these are the ones that i feel most about.

ill get to pelton who and the others after i skimmed a bit more.

im still sticking with dolfy but am not against a ekko wagon.

ill probaly try to do a who voted for whom which will help connects dots to, since some just vote for random joes

Why no read on me tho?

 

[Aurelian]

I'm going to have to PRESS PAUSE on this phase and ask the Elite Contingent for their thoughts on what I've pointed out about Retro on this page @Magic @Ultra @Ratchet @Hans Tweetenberg @Poyser @Aurelian

You don't consider me an elite at all

 

[Arne Slot]

You don't consider me an elite at all

I was giving you a chance

and this is how you rise to the occasion

smh

 

[Aurelian]

how would i be coordinating with melkor if i was only around for 5 minutes before leaving?

i dont understand this position.

Mate why are you getting so antsy over this accusation, if its a shit one why do you keep falling back to it? Your struggling to paint a picture of what your trying to push here.

why is ekko not going after an easy target weird? how do you view that as alignment indicative?

Why are you speaking for Ekko? How does it connect with you in any way that matters?

seriously what the hell was this.

why would you add that bit about craig. it all comes in within like 10 minutes and you didnt even wait for me to answer "why craig" before saying this.

Why do I have to wait for your response?

Magic is wasting quite a lot of time trying to make sense out of Aurelian, something he has criticised me for in the past and called me scummy for lol

This is also true.

he's usually the one being like "guys aurelian is obvtown this is ez" and then giving others grief for not seeing it

thing is, this is all pretty obvious and doesn't feel like a trap he'd fall into as scum so idk what's going on here. makes me second guess myself tbdean

I think this is Magic's agenda tbdean.

that's cause aurelian is generally an easy town read for me and im not seeing it this game and those questions stick out in particular as he was the one that asked them.

im also not wasting time, im reading back to catch up, which is pretty evident if you just look.

what are your ideas m8

what do you think of him saying poyser is town for essentially being the only one not to go after him and instead go for me then watson?

Why in this game all of a sudden is my progression, suspicion, and distrust to your slot in somehow now befuddling and confusing to you that you can't get a typical read where your 99.9% right regarding my slot as town in every other game? What changes here compared to past experience?

I'm being proactive here, isn't that a townie sign you look for usually, mon ami?

 

[Aurelian]

Same thing Aurelian, Ultra, Ratchet, and Hans did with me lmao

So anyone who doesn't trust your pushes or wagons and questions you is scummy, gotcha. You got the whole game figured out already, MVP Orca.

 

[Aurelian]

ekko claim or die.

not dealing with this no claim nonsense.

Pointless, you know Ekko won't claim.

 

[Aurelian]

u dont sound intimidating at all lmfao

Gonna agree with this take (still don't trust you at all though, Kekko-kun.)

 

[Aurelian]

Er

What does you having outside commitments matter here at all? Not one person is going at you for being inactive or for not providing enough. This post is fucking gross. Emotional manipulation at its worst

People think you are scum based on the content you DID give

So I am legitimately annoyed now and overly defensive

Correct that these reactions are atypical!

Let me make it real clear:
I'm currently managing various commitments, including visiting my recently released uncle from physical rehab. Stay mad.

Everyone here is smart enough to understand prodding won't expedite my process; it'll only compromise the quality of my ISO. If people can't wrap their heads around commitments outside Mafia, the room temp EQs in here is staggering

I want to emphasize the significant effort required for detailed analyses on /Ekko/ of all people. Did you all suddenly forget this?

I'm open to reassess based on future gameplay and his solves. At no point did I infer otherwise.

I believe in granting time when anyone is juggling other things, as it's a matter of respect.

Deduct points from me, I don't care - this is a matter of principle. Offense taken despite there being no malice.
Jesus

Mom, Dad

Please stop fighting

 

[Aurelian]

town
nibel
tweet tending a bit down similar to poyser
maybe luka
maybe gad
maybe cp
maybe xadlin

null/town
poyser, can be deep wolf, i liked his early play but then he vanished for majority of the day. could need pressure later

null/undecided
aurelian, no town tell yet, need to be pressured. gut town or indie
polar
orca
magic
tpein
hime
lethal

null/scum
ratchet, cant really tell where his head at, i think unironically he can be a filthy indie playing it safe. need to be pressured
ultra, WEAKSAUCE. not seeing his town energy and drive this game, need to be pressured
dofla, havent done shit yet since early, need to be pressured and yeeted

scum
retro, bizzare aggression on my wagon, taking positions that she hasnt thought of much, too much confidence and less spontaneousness as her town play. cp summed up the rest pretty much

I think your read list sucks but go ahead and pressure me if you can. I'm sticking with this new game plan from heaven to hell if it requires that. You do you.

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

what are your top scum reads at this moment in time.

are you planning to vote ekko?

ur one slimy ass ningen

 

[Xadlin]

why doesnt your basis for a town read on tweet apply to someone like ultra as he's been driving a lot of the thread up until this post?

what is your stance on ultra?

ill come back to that. its 03:30. been doing school work late. ill check up on ultra after i skimmed his posts.

Why no read on me tho?

dont worry, i respect you to much. ill look into you to. you are so big and scary that i wanted to wait with you.

but seeing one the posting, the ones votin on dolfy is ratchet adn melkor, together with me.
i had my summy vibes of melkor and ratchet folloing suit, seems like a sus move to.
ekko have been oneof my main scummy reads, due to their aggereive nature this game.
So keep lookout for ratchet adn melkor

[change vote lynch ekko]

 

[Aurelian]

Vote Poyser

Yeah so its plain to see Orca's progression before and after Poyser got active and started his play, nothing Orca claimed was really done for anything but optics. Don't see how this was proactive "townie" Orca in action but whatever, CBA to go back and forth with Magic on this guy.

primary scum reads:
ekko (performative posting that lacks his special brand of town strategic thinking, throwing a lot at the wall, self-revolving reads)
retro (struggled to generate content on slots besides her own, uncharacteristically shallow and pointed posts when not talking about herself, ekko MQ felt rushed and a response to building suspicion on her slot, potential play for credit)
gad (can't back up any direction he's endorsed or reads he's given)

secondary scum reads:
t-pein (hesitation to vote ekko fits scum meta, complained about 48hr day but dragged his feet when presented an opportunity to accelerate things)
dofla (seemed enthused to play in sign ups but has brought zero energy or content)

feeling good about FOR NOW:
ultra (ekko direction)
ratchet (ekko direction)
tweet (general thoughts)
alco (retro direction and general thoughts)
luka (idk feels obvtown, have liked their post-spam phase posts)
nibel (idr why I had an early town lean here)
xadlin (doesn't seem as paralyzed this game)
magic (I don't see the aurelian angle for scum magic or much positional play going on at all)

on the fence:
poyser (didn't get in early enough on ekko for me, magic vote may have been performative, didn't stick, keeps liking all of my posts)
aurelian (was thinking town but magic has me second guessing this slot)
orca (was thinking town but ultra has me second guessing)

no opinion:
polar
hime
lethal

this is where I'm at on everyone. been procrastinating work too much today so gotta go heads down. bbl. fine with coming back to an ekko lynch.

Why are you feeling on the fence surrounding my slot and Poyser yet your comfortable with Ultra, Tweet, and Alco who overlap on most of where my head and thoughts are for treating primary candidates for sussing i.e. Nible, Ekko, Orca, etc...) Your read list confuses me honestly and even more so why you can't make up your mind with Poyser.

I don't like your trust in Magic because more then anyone you know how he does this sort of manipulation setup/prep work and I don't think he's said anything about me in good faith, rather constructed his position to put his perspective in line with where he wants to establish himself vs transparent facts.

why did you have aurelian as town? @CraigPelton

his weird melkor/myself combination/coordinating stuff reminded me of skyrim mafia when he was saying the same thing about BPD and myself(it didnt make any sense then nor does it here but he was town then so it may be something he likes to cook up as town).

his last post about me rubbed me the wrong way tho and because it felt like weird angling to me. i was talking about orca because of poyser, i talked about you because of him. all of that was within the most recent 50 posts so he didnt miss it.

also his play around ekko has been weird. this only matters if ekko is scum i think because i dont think he would TMI to save a townie to make himself look good.

Why again is this game of all games after all this time you struggle to see me as town? So now your saying anyway that my scum play supposedly has evolved that I can blend into town and be, what's that special word again, oh yeah? PROACTIVE but despite that, there's just something off about me despite you always saying I'm the easiest player for you to read or one of them?

Frankly your excuses are absolute crap. I don't like your early play, I made that clear, and you've focused on bringing me back up as more weight and inertia goes on Ekko, And to preempt your question, I do see potential in you and him being potentially aligned in my pov.

u man aurelian? him asking me about melkor was very weird. i never push melkor day 1 just for sake of it

lol

lmao even

 

[Xadlin]

im going to bed
will be up tomorrrow
see ya friendos