agree, they seemed ok to me too once he clarified himself
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I'm gonna go ahead and say there's nothing wrong with vibe reads at this stage but it feels like you're tryna make this post feel like you're putting in more thought than you actually are idk
You know what actually takes effort? Spreading Hanukkah joy to the heathens
well from ultra's side, i get that opinion for sure
you just said the way i answered was sus too, so i was asking what im supposed to do kek
Anything more specific?
Like how Hanukkah specifically asked us to spread love to your candy ass?
How am I "100% sure of every read I'm making" - where does this even come from? You're just parroting a sentiment expressed by CP in regards to Luka, but to make it seem like your own point, you're over stretching it.
You've done it on Polar, Luka, me and Evans. "I've seen enough", "you can go", "you can go next" etc. There is zero doubt expressed in any of the people you are scum reading
The accusation you've just thrown at me is absolute nonsense lmao, he said you seem too sure of your read on Luka in particular, it was a specific point made to tie you both together. I'm saying your lack of doubt, your refusal to reconsider either new info or dissenting opinions makes it seem like you're 100% sure on all your reads, which doesn't seem natural in itself
I've given like three reads so yeah, that can go in the bin. You're also just gas lighting about how you and Luka make no sense to be aligned - I don't buy this position at all, what you provided as evidence for that doesn't tell me that you two can never be scum together, in fact it's rather rudimentary distancing
Thoughts on Aurelian, Alco and Caldust pls
But I haven't? Not a single one of them, especially Polar, and you, have I said I'm 100% certain on. Evans came into the thread pushing an angle, that mich is clear, and not only that, he back filled his reasoning - he left his vote on, then came back and used evidence after that vote to explain it, and then gave a throwaway "oh I had bad vibes" like to explain the original vote after accusing me of lying about the above. Makes absolutely no sense for town, so yeah pretty confident there. I have nothing else to read him from.
Luka similarly had a progression I don't buy. I'm less co fidenc in him, hence why I moved my vote.
I think you can be aligned, both because of Luka's reaction and your town read of him. It's not my preferred direction, hence why I haven't voted for you.
I think Polar is scum, based on his entrance and his follow ups after that, especially the one where he floats claiming.
Which one of these are you getting "100% confidence" from? I sure hope you're able to provide a compelling answer here Poyser!
Early impressions on Fang I thought he was fine, maybe a bit tame at most. At a push would lean town. Alco I have no read on. Caldust has been different to the previous game, in that he's less active, so in a vacuum I would say lean scum, but I don't really have s read there beyond that.
Easy - you presented the idea that you had him as scum and then moved him to town off of his posts as indication that you can never be scum together, which is obviously nonsense, because all it shows is that you're not static about handling his slot, which I would expect from you as scum, none of that is something that can't be aligned to me. Then when you consider that Luka switched his read up on you under pressure (you'll say you were the one applying it, but Ultra was mainly) when he would have compulsion to distance I again think it can be aligned.
Like I genuinely don't see how you believe that your read progression means that you and him can't be scum together, doesn't make any sense to me.
I'll take that as a concession - try, in your own words, to qualify your point around my read certainty.
Your own language in these posts seems to imply 100% confidence in those reads pretty clearly to me?
But it doesn't - should I be qualifying every read I post with "oh but I could be wrong" or something? You're acting like I've had compelling reason to switch my reads and just haven't, but you can't provide a single part to any of the reads that I ought to have changed and didnt. It's absolute nonsense, how do you think this makes sense? Come off it
If you isolate my play around him, or his play around me, then sure you could argue there is some distancing there. Taking them both into account together tho, there is just no way. Again, he had me as his top town read in basically his first post, which is already bizarre to do to a teammate, then I decided to abandon my own sus of Ultra, only to AGREE with his points about Luka being sus, which again is kind of a weird thing to do to a teammate in general esp as its completely unneeded as I'd already sewed the seeds of suspecting ultra and not trusting him, but especially one that has made you his top town read. He reacts to this by completely abandoning me as his top town, and accusing me and ultra of being 2/2 caught scum together. If you stop it here then MAYBE, AT A PUSH, you could say maybe we are making a show of distancing here, but then I COMPLETELY abandoned my sus of him in order to town read him and defend him very strongly, which makes it make very very little sense to be a distancing play in the first place because like??? there is no distancing involved. Then on top of that, as I start defending him, he completely drops his suspicion of me in order to push you along with ultra instead lmfao
It's absolutely ridiculous to even suggest this is a distancing attempt. And even if you do really want to go there instead of considering you may be wrong, to call it rudimentary distancing is the craziest thing I've ever heard. It'd be the most complicated and nuanced distancing attempt I've ever seen!
Well your initial angle was that you saw NO WAY how Luka could get from point A to point B, and I provided a pretty clear way for how he could get there as town, so I'd expect some consideration for that yeah, but you expressed zero doubt whatsoever and just doubled down and threw me into the mix instead