Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Xhominid The Apex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/can-alcides-f-sf-clear-the-tomb-of-nazarick-overlord-on-his-own.1143070/page-19

NINETEEN. PAGES! And it's still the same ol' shit! And it's even more ridiculous they act like Alcides and the entire Fate franchise has to prove itself to Overlord, a series that taken at face value would have Ainz get slaughtered by any character in Demon Slayer.

 

[Adamant soul]

"Squad Zero's combined strength is higher than Gotei 13's"

Squad Zero members have a seal that allows them to activate Bankai only when one member remains, but the Gotei 13 has no such restriction. Isn't this confirmation that a single member of Squad Zero is stronger than the combined strength of all 13 Captains, if all Captains are allowed to use...

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BossKitten is correct, the Gotei 13 did NOT have cleaner wins over the Squad 0 by any metric...
Mayuri won only because of him getting DAMN lucky Pernida decided to go and eat Nemu and didn't eat her brain specifically and died to cancer cell overload, otherwise Mayuri would be dead.

Shunsui won because of literal plot weapon by Nanao.

Askin was dumpstering everyone including Kisuke and won by Grimmjow stabbing him in the back unawares(While it was set up by Kisuke, it was the same issue as before) and they would have died by Askin's suicide attack if it wasn't for Neliel saving them from the brink.

And they didn't even defeat Gerard, Yhwach had to do that for them. Same with Uryu and Haschwalth.

I have no idea why people are shitting on Squad Zero when Senjumaru alone dumpstered them all at full power and Uryu is only going to be active and win because we KNOW he's basically special as fuck.

Even the quote is wrong as it's never specified to be their COMBINED strength that surpasses the Gotei, rather that Division 0 is stronger than the Gotei 13 COMBINED, full stop.

Hogyoku Aizen vs Shikai Yamamoto , Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra and RG Bankai Byakuya

Those 3 characters are a team and fight various versions of Hogyoku Aizen.... Restrictions: Kyoka Suigetsu Location: PAKISTAN Win: By forcing Aizen to evolve....Aizens wins by killing them all Round 1: Chrysalis Aizen Round 2: Mullet Aizen Round 3: Butterfly Aizen Round 4: Monster Aizen...

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Then of course you get this shit, where apparently I am being laughed at for suggesting RG Byakuya can push Aizen to Butterfly form when FAR fucking weaker characters canonically managed to fucking do it.

It's almost like him being transcendent in these forms has NEVER meant that he's completely untouchable by them. For fuck's sake we literally see the Exiles push him to Mullet form and then Gin push him to Butterfly form.

But you know acknowledging that would THEN lead to the obvious conclusion that the unsealed RG members just SHIT on him full stop.

 

[OtherGalaxy]

"Squad Zero's combined strength is higher than Gotei 13's"

Squad Zero members have a seal that allows them to activate Bankai only when one member remains, but the Gotei 13 has no such restriction. Isn't this confirmation that a single member of Squad Zero is stronger than the combined strength of all 13 Captains, if all Captains are allowed to use...

www.fanverse.org

BossKitten is correct, the Gotei 13 did NOT have cleaner wins over the Squad 0 by any metric...
Mayuri won only because of him getting DAMN lucky Pernida decided to go and eat Nemu and didn't eat her brain specifically and died to cancer cell overload, otherwise Mayuri would be dead.

Shunsui won because of literal plot weapon by Nanao.

Askin was dumpstering everyone including Kisuke and won by Grimmjow stabbing him in the back unawares(While it was set up by Kisuke, it was the same issue as before) and they would have died by Askin's suicide attack if it wasn't for Neliel saving them from the brink.

And they didn't even defeat Gerard, Yhwach had to do that for them. Same with Uryu and Haschwalth.

I have no idea why people are shitting on Squad Zero when Senjumaru alone dumpstered them all at full power and Uryu is only going to be active and win because we KNOW he's basically special as fuck.

the guy who made this thread was higher than the gotei 13 I can tell you that much

 

[Paxton]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/616-magneto-marvel-comics-vs-sōsuke-aizen-bleach.1145207/

 

[Paxton]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/fiamma-of-the-right-toaru-vs-arcueid-tsukihime.1145216/

Genuinely no comment on this

 

[Adamant soul]

Can Halibel be scaled to Ayon?

After the time skip. Also, this should affect the likes of Starrk and Baraggan, based on novel powerscaling at least.

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FB Shikai Ichigo >>>>> Complete Fullbring Ichigo > HM Bankai Ichigo.

Almost, it's actually:
FB Shikai Ichigo >>>>>> Mastered Fullbring Ichigo >>>>>> 2nd Stage Fullbring Ichigo >/=/< HM Ichigo

FB Shikai Ichigo on his own is already stronger than his HM Masked Bankai state, if he's R1 Ulquiorra level, that's anyone's guess, but it's not that unreasonable of a thought.

R1 Ulquiorra? FB Shikai Ichigo is beating ANY Espada 1v1.

VS Quilge was overwhelming FB Shikai Ichigo with ease and even took his Getsuga with no damage.

WRONG, VS Quilge was barely overpowering Ichigo at all and only managed a slight cut on his head while Ichigo wasn't concerned in the slightest. He no-sold Getsuga because Blut Vene is cheap but the actual power gap wasn't that big at all.

Meanwhile Ayon was bypassing Quilge's Blut with ease and narrative-wise, was quite clearly portrayed to be far stronger than FB Shikai Ichigo was.

That is correct for a change.

Halibel lacks the feats,

No she doesn't, she literally survived an energy attack of some kind from Mustache and was dealt with personally by him, when he normally leaves shit to his subordinates unless he has reason to act himself.

and there's no kind of portrayal that puts her above Ayon, not post-TS at least where her fraccion actually trained to get stronger and she remained the same.

Yet MY takes are the stupid ones right?

Sure Harribel maintained control of a world where authority is dictated by power level without getting any stronger and Harribel's minions can create a being stronger than Harribel, yet they somehow remain her minions despite what I just said.

Even if she had NO feats at all, it is completely fucking asinine to pretend Allon can even possibly be stronger than her, that legitimately doesn't make ANY sense in or out of universe.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/can-alcides-f-sf-clear-the-tomb-of-nazarick-overlord-on-his-own.1143070/page-18?post=98968727#post-98968727

Its not something she can do "whenever she wants", that was the combined power of three of her strongest gems. Compared to even mid level Overlord characters destroying a mansion is not particularly noteworthy anyways.

Uh, Rin has a bunch of those gems saved up because unlike what SB loves to think, Rin isn't an idiot who only comes in with a small amount of gems for her opponents(Even against Medea, she explicitly faked her out purposefully to get her into close range) and all of those are beyond anything Ainz has ever done.

Ainz can facetank his own Fallen Down spell even with while on low HP and with zero defensive magic active. Unless you subscribe to the idea that Herc is a country buster or some shit, he doesn't hit hard enough to one-shot a level 100 character. Ainz also scales to hyperosnic speeds at the very least and he can spam teleports and time stops.

What does this MEAN?! What the fuck does ANY OF THIS MEAN?!
This is Fallen Down by the Manga's take:

This is fucking pathetic because if it's just like the Anime, it was already in the destroyed whole where TGOALID did it's business at and Fallen Down barely does jack and of shit.

What does being Level 100 mean in strength considering Ainz and Shaltear aren't doing anything remotely close to a "Country Tier" being would do! And how is Ainz hypersonic? Because of some random ass passage where he created a Sonic Boom falling over? or did people forget that The New World somehow has literal magic physics?

Ainz is a very poor matchup for Herc overall. Berserker Herc is a brick with no flight or ranged attacks, while Ainz makes a good impression of a teleporting, invisible, flying nuclear bomber. Ainz is actually the perfect counter to Herc, he can keep his distance and bombard him with different high tier spells until he dies.

HOW IS AINZ A POOR MATCHUP FOR HERACLES WHEN AINZ IS FAR TOO SLOW TO DO ANYTHING BEFORE HERACLES BREAKS HIM IN TWO?! Flight doesn't mean shit when Heracles can literally jump good on multiple occasions.

We've seen Berserker Herc get his head blown off by five of Rins building busting gems(each gem can destroy a house, three are needed to blow up mansion) so he's not that difficult to kill. Ainz's high tier spells have more firepower than that and he's got a spammable time stop to prevent dodges.

Still using the hogwash in pretending how Shirou described how strong it is is only Rin's maximum
Doesn't want to take into account that's STILL stronger than anything Ainz did.

OF COURSE.

Alcides could challenge Nazarick if plays his cards rights but Berserker Herc would lose to Ainz in a 1v1 much less with the entire tomb supporting him

No, he doesn't. All he has to do is park his ass outside and spam volleys of Arrows till it's all gone, mission accomplished.

Alcides isn't fighting against just Ainz and we've already established that Nine Lives wouldn't be enough to destroy Nazarick. Alcides could win if he played his cards right but its hardly a stomp in his favour.

None of you guys established that at all, NONE OF YOU! All you tried to state is that Nazarick can shut off it's teleporters and is divided by "dimensions" and none of that works when they got Raided in the past and if it was that good, why didn't they shut them off against them?! Oh, but let's just forget that Nasuverse has shit that can breach basic ass Dimensional Barriers like that too!

What's worse is that someone even pointed out a few posts after this that Ainz's Time Stop isn't even that fast by it's own word!

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/can-alcides-f-sf-clear-the-tomb-of-nazarick-overlord-on-his-own.1143070/page-18?post=98972768#post-98972768

His consciousness focused to the absolute limit, Gazef stepped in with an unbelievable speed—

Without missing a single moment, Brain and Climb opened their eyes and watched—

***

—And before any of them, the world went quiet.

"I see… so time-stop countermeasures are important, after all."

Because Ainz had instantly cast a silent [Time Stop], Gazef was frozen in front of Ainz, his sword raised high.

No attack would work while time was stopped. Even if he used attack magic to barrage Gazef, it would cause him no harm. Because of that, Ainz cast a spell while keeping track of the time.

So Gazef, someone who hasn't shown anything that puts him above even BoS Shirou is able to literally raise his sword high before Ainz was able to think and use Time Stop... but we are suddenly supposed to believe it will work on Heracles? Let alone Alcides?! GTFOH.

 

[Paxton]

they're still arguing a lack of environmental damage to downplay Rin's gems?

 

[OtherGalaxy]

they're still arguing a lack of environmental damage to downplay Rin's gems?

funny how this only matters for series outside the agenda HMMMMM

 

[Paxton]

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

they're still arguing a lack of environmental damage to downplay Rin's gems?

Because it's how SB does things. They don't go by what is a theoretical maximum, they try and go by what's stated PRECISELY even if it makes no sense and then blame it on the creator rather than on themselves for not understanding it's not meant to be a maximum.

Shirou states the Gems Rin used against Heracles is enough to blow down a mansion but it was never stated that was ever it's max or ignores what TYPE of Mansion Shirou means(Which again shows SB's lack of imagination as some Mansions are absolutely GIGANTIC and that even goes for the Mansions in F/SN which are bigger than most Japanese Equivalents).

It's the same shit with the speed debates when again, it's trying to take what is said and apply it to the max even when the narrative never goes with that point like this:

The needle of the speedometer was already damaged and could not be used. Saber’s prana had caused the rushing vehicle to transcend the laws of physics; already the speed was more than 400 kilometers per hour. The pressure released by the magecraft pressed the rear wheel firmly against the cement; even when making turns, Saber did not release the throttle and turned the body of the vehicle round by force.

They unironically act like 400KMPH is the max when the narration explicitly states not only is the speedometer broken, but the speed has long since passed 400KMPH which again makes trying to only use the max disingenuous but also completely retarded.

If they was being honest, I wouldn't even be in the situation.

 

[Astaro]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/can-alcides-f-sf-clear-the-tomb-of-nazarick-overlord-on-his-own.1143070/page-18?post=98968727#post-98968727

What does this MEAN?! What the fuck does ANY OF THIS MEAN?!
This is Fallen Down by the Manga's take:

This is fucking pathetic because if it's just like the Anime, it was already in the destroyed whole where TGOALID did it's business at and Fallen Down barely does jack and of shit.

Fallen Down, the first one anyway which is the one pictured there, happened before TGOALID was ever used which in itself does nothing destruction wise either.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/can-alcides-f-sf-clear-the-tomb-of-nazarick-overlord-on-his-own.1143070/page-19?post=98977535#post-98977535

NPC's aren't innately immune to time stop either though, that comes from items that Alcides doesn't know about. Alcides cant just snap his fingers and just get every ability and item his opponent has, he actually needs to know that it exists in the first place.

Maybe but what does that matter when Alcides, in character, will assassinate them from far away before any of the featless horde did anything?

You are the one who brough up Alcides stealing abilities as if ot eas some kind of win condition. I am saying it wouldn't help.

It is... he just doesn't need it here.

Wont work for several reasons the most obvious one being that Ainz wont be casting time stop right in front him(again he is kilometers underground)

If Time Stop was ever that effective, then why in the holy land of fuck does Ainz does Time Stop in front of his targets?! None of this makes sense!

and the fact RP doesnt work like that, he cant steal spells.

Considering he stole Gugulanna's Divine Core and literally stole From Hell which is more than just a simple transformation and RP stealing something includes him stealing it from people's Saint Graphs with no chance of recovery? I think he can steal spells, thank you.

Also even if he had a time stop no one in Nazarick would even effected anyways and he wouldn't be able to actually attack anyone during the time stop anyways.

Yeah because they are immune to all kinds of Time Stop apparently... NLF if I ever heard one...

Why would they need to react to anything? This isn't a fucking quickdraw match, its not even a 1v1 fight. Ainz is at the very bottom of gigantic superstructure buried kilometers underground, Alcides cant destroy Nazarick in one shot amd he cant reach Ainz before he can cast his time stop with a thought

You are the one saying that Ainz will somehow Time Stop Alcides through fucking dimensions(Which you love acting as if Ainz can act through them or not while Alcides can't get through to him or not) meaning that he will jump into this battle at random while ignoring Alcides is not going to jump into a fight on Nazarick's terms, he's doing it on his terms which means Nazarick gets reduced to rubble and he kills the stragglers.

Last time i checked Alcides's arrows couldn't dimension hop, there is a difference between braking through "spatial distortions" and hitting people in other dimensions. Even ignoring that the main reason he cant just blow up Nazarick is because he's never shown that kind of destructive power.

Considering Rhongomyniad's Barriers are Dimensional in nature and Ozymandias was able to break them down, you can actually say Alcides can do the same thing... and again as I said before, didn't stop the Raiding Party from getting through.

Each one of Nazaricks 10 floors is basically the size of a small city with several hundred meter tall ceilings and the lower floors are buried kilometers underground. Alcides is strong and all but he doesn't have enough firepower to destroy something that big,

"Able to critically wound Gugulanna in which a single step can destroy a whole ass Singularity and the actual country of Connacht at once... can't somehow destroy something the size of a small city".
Wow, that's some truly compelling evidence you got there...

Now could Alcides eventually win through repeated long range bombardment? Maybe, but he cant destroy the whole place in one shot, those on the mid to lower floors will survive and they will come after him even if he is 20 kilometers away. Divination and teleportation magic can locate people in other countries hundreds of kilometers away and teleport to their location instantly. There isnt much in Nazarick that would be able to actualy kill the guy aside from the Time Stop + TGOALID cambo but lets not pretend this is an utter stomp in Alcides favour either.

My dude, you and your dudes are the only ones who believe that and you still haven't proven shit at all...
And they come for him while he's 20 KM away? Yeah because all of those featless beings are going to matter so well against someone who can consistently fire arrows that go well past the speed of lightning casually... meanwhile he has the speed and reflexes to match that wholeheartedly.

 

[Type-Rey]

SB's severe collective autism and dedication to hyper fixate on Rin's stable buster and ignorance of literally everything else a character has done is really impressive and it's never gonna stop.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/fafnir-fate-runs-a-bijuu-gauntlet.1145222/

Someone actually shows how ludicrous Fafnir is in the Manga alone

Yep, I'm gonna save all of that in the Nasuverse Discussion... whenever I get to Fafnir and Siegfried.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/okkotsu-yuta-runs-a-shirou-emiya-gauntlet.1145080/

Yuta can defeat Shirou with ease being the common sentiment

 

[Paxton]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/fiamma-of-the-right-toaru-vs-arcueid-tsukihime.1145216/post-98979668

So yeah, point is- Arcueid is more than a fair match against Fiamma here. To be more clear, no NLF argument but scaling and statements are allowed for both of them.

...so Fiamma scales to the Dainsleif calamities then?

The same calamities who scale to Othinus?

 

[King of time]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/fiamma-of-the-right-toaru-vs-arcueid-tsukihime.1145216/post-98979668

...so Fiamma scales to the Dainsleif calamities then?

The same calamities who scale to Othinus?

It's best to leave it alone pax, SB's themes always repeat

 

[Blade]

One Sin and Hundreds of Good Deeds​

i know which is the sin, in pax's custom title





























its for being a no aru fan bot

 

[Paxton]

i know which is the sin, in pax's custom title





























its for being a no aru fan bot