Magic TMI's half the player list as scum consistently and then insists there's a contradiction between my reads and scum reading him, surely he can't believe this lol
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So it still reads to me like the two of you aren't understanding what the other is trying to say and accomplished nothing
What are people gleaming from that?
This shit makes no sense
Damn didn't realize Fang had 6 votes
Didn't realize you had 6 votes, whatchu think of your wagon?
Didn't realize you had 6 votes, whatchu think of your wagon?
There wasn't really though. When I brought this up to you straight up, you ignored it and then said you didn't say it despite me clearly laying out how I've interpreted I've quote beforehand. In fact, you didn't actually explain why your wording was the way it was until earlier this evening, some 16 or so hours after I first raised objection to your comment.
Why would you be though? Why would your first instinct be to try and dismiss me instead of engaging with what I'm saying on it's own merits. It's like you didn't even bother with the stage where you try to discern what my possible motives are, you just skip right to undermining it.
Eh no, I didn't really. My vote is one thing but it isn't like I haven't engaged with your defence, or just repeated that you were scummy without giving you any charity in my position. My vote is my vote, but to act like that's the only measure from which I can relent or pursue from is disingenuous. In fact, I don't see how you can hold this position at all, because I even said to Gram straight up that you were in a category of "probably won't lynch today".
I've never been one that feels the need to marry my vote with everything I do, if you understand me as well as you say you do this should be no surprise.
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^you made it quite clear your point was to see evaluate whether im giving you a valid reason or not. these are your words.
now youre trying to back track. ive repeatedly asked you why you cant use the town explanations i gave to check to see if im giving you valid reasons or not and youre incapable of answering that question and now youre trying to say it isn't a way to read me at all which means you asking for my weak town read explanations in the first place was pointless.
so now that we've established you were trying to check to see if i had valid reasons for my town reads, why do you refuse on using the ones i gave early on before anyone else had those same town reads.
The correct term is gleaning ruffles
You don't glean yourself regularly
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i dont think most got much of that. some people will think of this as town vs town if they think it's just a misunderstanding and both perspectives just seem to be town going after other town.
some will think one side is scum and intentionally causing misunderstanding to get the other person to look bad.
most people haven't gleamed much from it.
Because you are not incapable of reading people as town, as scum. Fairly straightforward. I also thought they were both a bit obvious (Luka to a better degree) and if I were to find that incompatible, I would never read you as scum, so it strikes me as convenient that you would say this.
There's no contradiction here besides the one you're insisting on. Your read on Ratchet was horrible, your read on me is horrible, and I think you've come up with a lot of gunk at the intersection of both of us suspecting you
Compelling argument. You better lynch Magic to save your behind.
Can you give me your read on Gram atm
Uh, what do you mean "if"? I was a tree stump in that game, here is my role PM:
I used the term gamble in that post because I didn't want to claim it, but you absolutely can't deny that my thought process was compassed by being a treestump. Given that all of your examples of me being risk averse day 1 when it comes to pursuing good players are from one game, it's disingenuous to act like my being tre stump would ha e nothing to do with that.
Now, I'm not saying me being a tree stump is the only reason I would say that. Frankly, it varies game to game, I could give you examples on site and offsite where I go for a good player day 1. To argue that it's a sentiment I intrinsic to my town game at this point is silly, especially when people more familiar with me than you have said it's not so.
And that's before we even get into the realm of "have I even really pushed you for a lynch this game". Because I wouldn't say I have, certainly not to the extent that you're implying I have at least.
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i do that because i do it as town and tend to do even more as town than i do as scum.
mate i didnt think i had to because as you pointed out gram understood the confusion and by the same extension i thought youd have an easy time understanding what i was getting at with my posts. i still was trying to clear up the confusion though, typically directly at mango opposed to you but you were present the whole time.
i didnt say i dismissed what potential motives you had. again, as i did state, i figured you realized the accusation/suspicion was never directed at mango but rather the points i was making could be used against you and jumped ahead of it.
then when mango brought up why you would go after a strong player to start the phase i agreed with him and said ya it doesn't really seem like an optimal play hence why i wasn't really going after you as scum. again multiple asked if i was scum reading you and i said i wasn't really sure and youre not the path i want.
im saying that because we clearly need multiple wagons and votes right now to analysis everyone playing in this game outside of this little pocket world of yourself and i and youre not aiding in that by sitting on your vote. this isn't beyond your comprehension. we just got an extension and if we didn't with about 16ish hours to go we had a singular wagon on aurelian all phase. that isn't good for town's prospects is it?
neither am i however, within the context of this game and the situation, it is time to actually do rather than wait. i understand sitting on a vote if other things are happening on their own but nothing has really been happening.
Is Aurelian trying to fake a post restriction?
I don't have one, think he's well within range of either alignment. I wouldn't even say he can't be scum with Magic, though my gut feel is he probably wouldn't be.
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i meant if as in the points were only there because you were stump. as in "if that was the case..."
okay then show me examples of the contrary where your aim is to lynch gram/ultra day 1 or even myself. ive provided evidence and if youre claiming it's circumstantial and doesnt apply then it should be easy for you, the person, to show me the opposing evidence and ill take it into account.
Ruffles would it be fair to say that most of your posts up until this point have been defending your right to do absolutely fucking nothing
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