Game Ranked Grand Theft Auto Mafia

[Achromatic]

God it's so easy to fake confidence as not town you know. Luka you should know better you know the type of scum player I am lmao. It's not to beg for mercy and act confused.

 

[Magic]

I have been giving reads all game why do you think this lol

Mate you've been incredibly passive

 

[Achromatic]

Mate you've been incredibly passive

Compared to whom

I am much less passive than almost everyone in the game lol

 

[Achromatic]

Like of the 8 alive players only you have been more aggressive than me imo?

 

[Magic]

vote hime

I think this is the correct course of action.

Confident she's going to flip nontown. If she's mafia then the other mafia left still has to shoot the arson or try in order to try to win. If we lynch the arson this phase we likely go into next phase with the split being 4-2 aka lylo and I don't like our odds of that.

So ya I'd appreciate if you guys would support this

 

[Achromatic]

Think fmpov that I was fine handing out reads but by sod2 I was sure that my day 1 sucked and that informed my decision to play a less nakedly aggressive game

 

[Magic]

Like of the 8 alive players only you have been more aggressive than me imo?

That isn't the bench mark used to evaluate you and you know that.

 

[Achromatic]

That isn't the bench mark used to evaluate you and you know that.

You have no idea how to bench mark me tho. The people who have played with me thought I was town. You are assuming things that aren't true and aren't factoring in why I have been very purposeful and open about my play

I'm trying to help you find me because I think you are filling in the blanks with generic things while not realizing I am actually an incredibly good anti town player who is more often than not unsuspected socially. It's my earnestness that gets me into trouble.

 

[Magic]

You have no idea how to bench mark me tho. The people who have played with me thought I was town. You are assuming things that aren't true and aren't factoring in why I have been very purposeful and open about my play

I'm trying to help you find me because I think you are filling in the blanks with generic things while not realizing I am actually an incredibly good anti town player who is more often than not unsuspected socially. It's my earnestness that gets me into trouble.

I can guarantee you that a proper bench mark wouldn't be the remaining players, no?

Would it not be closer to Ratchet, Ultra, etc?

Yes or no.

 

[Achromatic]

@Luka I just dog walked an entire town

I can guarantee you that a proper bench mark wouldn't be the remaining players, no?

Would it not be closer to Ratchet, Ultra, etc?

Yes or no.

Yes. Otoh there are mitigating factors like me being a fish out of water and me town reading town leaders who were hyper aggressive already. It doesn't suit me to smash things over and over.

I guess I am just asking to extend some trust my way that I wouldn't be such a bitch as anti town and my caution is towny for me lol

 

[Magic]

@Luka I just dog walked an entire town

Yes. Otoh there are mitigating factors like me being a fish out of water and me town reading town leaders who were hyper aggressive already. It doesn't suit me to smash things over and over.

I guess I am just asking to extend some trust my way that I wouldn't be such a bitch as anti town and my caution is towny for me lol

You should put more effort into seeing if you agree with what I'm saying and less in defending yourself

 

[Aurelian]

Arsonist goes boom all at once which explains the lack of kills

So their making the same mistake I did lol

 

[Magic]

So their making the same mistake I did lol

What do you mean?

 

[hime]

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Magic could be like serial that can either protect himself or make a kill at night​

Don't know. Watcher is a strong deterrent

I'm almost certain gads flip would say arsonist if it was an arsonist though​

The only person I could see abstaining is Magic if he could protect himself instead. Otherwise I don't think anyone would.

So it's a coincidence or the roles are written in a dumb way​

Mate a bg so that can't kill cause they're protecting is dumb. I also wouldn't abstain 4 nights in a row which means I need to survive until day 8 or something ridiculous to win. It isn't a winning play to play with zero risk.

Who do you have as scum outside of achro?​

I'm going to start off my case with the above exchange.

"Now Hime, what is this supposed to mean?"
Patience, we'll build up there slowly.

Let's start with what happened in Day 1:

Day 1 is rather unremarkable in the grand scheme of the game because the strategy only really starts in Day 2, but there are a few key things I'd like to focus on.

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Spoiler: Ultra Sussing Magic

@Luka

What do you think of Magic's case? Do you think we got a Dark Magician over here?​

Vote lynch Magic

Not feeling his pushes at all​

I should probably go on record here and say I'm more in agreement with Flower's conclusion on Luka and I felt you initially were jumping the gun on them a bit much but wanted to put him under the scope a bit.

As for Flower I have a hard time reconciling you coming to this conclusion without some major reservations, specifically

1) Considering what her play angle here is as scum to take a swing at presumably town you out of nowhere

2) Not addressing the elephant here which is that she's not required to sheep you if she has stated she's scum reading you.

By this logic Flower would always be required to ride your coat tails to be town which is a shit argument.​

He's weak as hell so far​

Magic also hasn't offered a single direction besides LUKA and FLOWER and is more preoccupied posturing around me who he has admitted he is reading as lock town

What do you think his gameplan is here as town sincerely

???​

Not if she's scum reading you

This is a wasted discussion as this is circular and you aren't going to concede the point - basically your argument only make sense from the perspective and the assumption that you're town which is useless to her and anybody else, so it's bad.​

Wrong


She didn't give you a reason before you asked, but she did give a reason preceding your vote.

Stop gaslighting!​

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This was an early sus of Ultra's. It dissipated later in the phase, but this is important to note going forward because it SCARED Magic.

Day 1 ended with Ultra making a case on Tempest and Tempest getting executed.

Night 1:
I can't tell you exactly what happened this night, but I'm going to assume Flower was shot due to blatantly stating that she had an extremely powerful role. Obviously this would've failed.

NOTE: Magic was fully aware of this.

Let's get into Day 2:

Since I'm too lazy to find every quote, I'll be summarizing some portions. As everyone knows, Flower started the day with results on Magic that supposedly cleared him. Magic was now in a position of power. Although he was essentially in Ultra's "good books" towards the end of Day 1, it's not necessarily good enough. Ratchet, Ultra, and the like are extremely good players. They are able to sway many people onto wagons they believe are scum. If Ultra got the suspicion that Magic was the serial killer and was able to build a strong enough case, it would be bad for him. Moreover, now that he (Magic) was essentially "confirmed", he was put in a tricky position. How do you survive until you are the last player remaining?

ANSWER: By making god-awful reads and pushing strong players.
No scum would want you off the table if they are benefitting from your thread presence. Hence, it's easy for people to understand why you're still alive.

With Ratchet dead and having already butted heads with Ultra the day before, who better to start incessantly calling scum?

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Spoiler: Magic Pushing Ultra

No probably just scum. Gad is scum.

Ultra was playing for an execute all phase. It's why he went for me first then Craig. I didn't understand why he would go after me like that and the wifom aspect was holding me back as I thought it was too stupid but with the execute in mind it makes perfect sense.

Him just not caring about gad or what ratchet had to say is also pinging.​

Going to also note that Magic started off the phase with calling Gad scum undoubtedly.​

Ya, no.

vote ultra​

No wifom defense.

He played for the execute all phase​

You shouldn't have announced it to start the phase. I'm about 99% positive ultra was gonna push me especially with what he just said​

Yeah Wifom defense.

Its simply not something scum would openly do day 1, its too risky. Unless there was a scummate he was trying to protect and that would be Gad.

No he didnt, he only started tunneling Tempest when it was more then halfway through the day.​

Here Fuji is telling Magic how the play is too risky for scum to do like that Day 1 unless Gad is scum.

NOTE: Magic wanted Ultra lynched before Gad.​

Just like you wouldn't fake info on me day 2? Because it implicates you and gets you lynched the next phase.

You went after me. Then Craig. While avoiding gad I have as likely scum. We're not ignoring everything that implicates you because it implicates you. Thats retarded.​

Gad read starts getting weaker. Magic is looking for a possible way to push mislynches before having a scum flip as it would be easier for town to solve based on flipped scum.

"And why would Magic want scum to be alive longer?"
We'll get there, don't worry.
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The only person playing that was onto ultra from the start was me yet you're trying to tell me how to read the guy.

You don't have credibility over me on the guy. He's scummy by results. We're judging him on results. Thanks.​

I don't think rdk is guaranteed scum and he should be allowed to play.

Gad could be scum. Archo vote doesn't look the best but the one playing most for an execute was ultra. Again he was going after me. Then rdk briefly then Craig. If you think gad is scum then tell me how that play also doesn't translate as a cover for gad.​

Gad read weakened.​

ive never, ever, ever seen an execute wagon be pure town.

you have everyone but one person as scum in the execute. that's a stetch ultra.

wanna clarify your watson read?​

i do.

what did i tell you last game? we go by results. how are your results looking?

you could have stayed on rdk last phase but decided to flip everyone to tempest. you think i should just let you go back to your old read for ??? reason when you were the one pushing the execute. that's stupid as fuck.​

If you take this into context, this is an extreme overreaction from Magic to the point where it reads entirely fake.

No one really expected the execute to happen and it happened due to a confirmed town simply dropping a vote. Ultra was wrong on Tempest who other people had as scum, INCLUDING Ratchet (which there are several quotes of Magic saying Ratchet didn't think Tempest was scum which is just dogshit). Punishing a player so harshly by trying to lynch them for wanting pressure on a slot that happened to flip town is stupid. By that logic, Magic should be scum on steroids for his extreme tunnel vision on Ultra plus Ekko. The only difference is that other people agreed with Ultra's bad read unlike Magic.​

youve played like shit. so you should be pushed. right? that's your logic.

more votes on ultra. @Polar Bear we're not letting him off the hook for this shit play.​

claim.

hard to counter push when im confirmed eh and you cant just try to rally everyone against me this time eh?​

because i think ultra is scum.

wanna elaborate a bit more about who you think is scum and why you have gad as scum? you said not to overthink this, elaborate.​

gad was not scum read by most of the thread.

none of this was a conspiracy theory. look at ratchet's own posts about how hopeless he felt the gad wagon was. most people weren't willing to listen or go there.

who else do you have as scum?​

Lies??
Ratchet correctly tied RDK and Gad together as scum and left them at the bottom in his legacy reads.​

yourself/polar/fuji would be my strongest town reads.

i think hime/lethal/achro look fine too.

having quite a bit of reservations with others based on this phase is going. ekko just flat out ignoring ultra playing bad isn't like him and excusing it also isn't like him.​

I believe Magic got tired of Ekko defending Ultra and decided to sus him as well. Not to mention, Ekko dropped a tracker hint that phase which I believe Magic is keen enough to notice. Better to rid town of their voices (Ultra and Ekko), right?

Also Ekko and Ultra are obvious town, if he (Magic) kept pushing them, he would surely have an excuse for why he was left alone by scum.​

why do you keep defending him for him?

he did call it scummy in big bold letters and made an ingenuine comment about it. i dont miss things as scum, you can ask flower and check discord convos and all the rest as this isn't some ego comment. him trying to make it seem that being uninformed is somehow scummy is a flawed argument that he's making to be slimy and cause suspicion on me.

the idea he thinks he's beyond suspicion after his play last phase and that im scummy for thinking he's scummy for it. i can also probably find quotes from you agreeing that he should be judged on his results and not whatever the fuck youre trying to preach.​

Pt. 2 of Magic getting irritated by Ekko defending Ultra.

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Magic's ISO is far too large to fully encapsule, and there are areas I didn't get a chance to read back even at this stage in the game, but to summarize what happens later, Magic starts heavy sussing Ekko as well. He only turns back to Gad when Gad is spewing and there is no point in trying to defend him anymore. Might as well get the credit for it, right?

Let's skip ahead to the end of Day 2, when Melkor claimed Seraph Knight who targeted Magic.

Now obviously it's extremely fishy, as the results clearly say otherwise, but does that matter to Magic? Hell NO! Ekko must be scum!

Also I'd like to draw your attention to the following quotes:​

That means they can kill him removing protection from her or if it's active block her.

Are you retarded​

If you believe Melkor RDK should be outted here, not really a biggie​

Rdk did not claim a protection role. I am lynching ekko.​

I'm pretty certain Magic originally intended on claiming vanilla town when it came down to it because a doctor claim while being a "confirmed" town is absolute death in any sense. He would not be able to survive and then be able to wifom himself out of serial killer suspicions on him.

Anyway, the last bolded quote basically outs this. RDK didn't claim a protective role so Melkor isn't counterclaimed, hence Ekko is just scum trying to farm claims. But silly Magic didn't expect to have to claim bodyguard later. If he was town, he would instantly think of himself as the counterclaim to Melkor, but he didn't.



More to come, I need a break. This keeps getting better though, trust me.

@The Orca
@Luka
@One Last Username
@Chairman Nibel
@Aurelian
@Achromatic​

 

[hime]

this is gonna take forever lmaoooo but teaser/tl;dr for the upcoming posts,

• magic has been abstaining every night and choosing to protect himself so he cant be killed by mafia
• he makes shit reads during the day to explain y hes being kept alive
• rdk rolecopped him 100% and has hinted at him being serial but didnt want to say it too hard in fear for his remaining teammate(s)
• magic has been heavy pushing the arsonist theory as now its an easy cop out
• he is fully milking his "confirmed" town status and has made himself to be virtually unlynchable
• he is claimed bodyguard/doctor and is a really good player and has protected a total of 0 players
• he was only tracked to protecting himself while letting other townies die

 

[hime]

Vote lynch Magic

be back later

 

[hime]

vote hime

I think this is the correct course of action.

Confident she's going to flip nontown. If she's mafia then the other mafia left still has to shoot the arson or try in order to try to win. If we lynch the arson this phase we likely go into next phase with the split being 4-2 aka lylo and I don't like our odds of that.

So ya I'd appreciate if you guys would support this

ah u got scared once i said i got stuff cooking top kek

 

[Luka]

ok guys Hime is town
@Magic whos wolf now?

 

[Magic]

ok guys Hime is town
@Magic whos wolf now?

Based on what?

 

[Luka]

Based on what?

i dont think a scum enters the thread after not reading and puts together a coherent case on the most universally alive town, and not only puts together said case but pushes them when it's simply easier to go after a utr like orca or achromatic instead of actively pushing, once again; a universal town read. I also dont think that Hime (cough cough effort read) takes the time and effort to case you in this instance when its easier to skate by casing some wash like orca ect.