grillmaster
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wasnt this ramjets plan in balancing act actually
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Optimus Prime 654
Paramount
Although some events do differ from the main american G1 media. Optimus merged eventually with Vector Sigma, but came back in season 4, but the Japanese media proves Optimus being ressurected to Star Convoy and Headmasters or Masterforce cartoons even differ. Still despite all those, Superobot Lifeforms and the G1 cartoon including the original 84 and Beast Wars mirror alot and plus it is arguable most Cartoon G1 and BW even scale to their JG1 feats.
Looking back to this, this is I think another evidence on Sunbow being a singularity, but is weird that AvP somehow retconned it which is weird.
Yeah I assumed he was directly referencing that (makes sense given he had Nemesis show up in Alternity after he gets captured at the end of Balancing Act), though it's a bit odd he speaks of it as though it was actually successful?
In this case I think it's helpful that Cloud is trying to be very specific about their timelines being the originals at least, so even with some discrepancies we know OG001 isn't a branch of the G1 cartoon timeline for example, because the story tells us it's the original.
I personally treat AVP as very useful and extremely accurate but if a plot point contradicts it in a way that we can't reconcile at all then I go with the established story beat. In this case, Cloud is stating a Primacron made Unicron is still pandimensional and exists beyond spacetime, and Megatron's motivations for trying to kill him in Cloud make zero sense if Unicron is anything but that.
From what I'm seeing the Cloud prose Translations weren't fully available until 2021...6 years after AVP basically ended, so I don't even know if it counts as a true retcon in this case.
there was a (terrible) machine TL of the first chapter in 2013 https://tformers.com/transformers-cloud-prolog-and-first/21896/news.html
The creator bit is also the only thing from Cloud directly referenced in AVP, so I can't help but wonder if this was all the writing team had access to at the time.
Regardless of any of that the story is pretty clear about Unicron's nature and why Megatron wants him gone in it, I think it's safe to treat at least JG1 as tied to "Bigger Unicron" because of this. Sunbow's less important to connect overall since nobody ever writes him as a multiversal character (unless you count 3H but again, that's a whole other similarly complicated mess)
The creator bit is also the only thing from Cloud directly referenced in AVP, so I can't help but wonder if this was all the writing team had access to at the time.
Regardless of any of that the story is pretty clear about Unicron's nature and why Megatron wants him gone in it, I think it's safe to treat at least JG1 as tied to "Bigger Unicron" because of this. Sunbow's less important to connect overall since nobody ever writes him as a multiversal character (unless you count 3H but again, that's a whole other similarly complicated mess)
Optimus Prime 654
Paramount
yay more Matrix upscaling
if I had a nickel for every time transformers crossed over with evangelion, I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice
sorry three times, I forgot about those tiny little figures of the Evas that turned into trucks
Thirteen prime
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The power of Starscream's laser that Optimus tanked, now the question is how powerful was the subsequent explosion of the lens.
Bulkhead stands 35 feet tall and weighs 7-8 tons, and can also crush skyscrapers.
Arsi is 16 feet tall and weighs 2-3 tons.
Considering this table it's pretty funny
Bulkhead stands 35 feet tall and weighs 7-8 tons, and can also crush skyscrapers.
Arsi is 16 feet tall and weighs 2-3 tons.
Considering this table it's pretty funny
I had no idea that calc got reuploaded here, it came out way higher than I remembered
Thirteen prime
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If we take this into account, then this is already higher animated as I remember, the most powerful explosion they had was capable of destroying everything within a radius of hundreds of miles, although it is likely that for annihilations it will probably be even higher since these are antiprotons.
grillmaster
Exceptional
gah damn
Thirteen prime
Acclaimed
Optimus Prime 654
Paramount
Thirteen prime
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Apparently, the Shockwave's firepower in a single shot was enough to destroy the Dalian Oil Refinery in China.
Optimus rips apart Driller's tentacles and withstands a blast from Shockwave.
Optimus rips apart Driller's tentacles and withstands a blast from Shockwave.
Thirteen prime
Acclaimed
Apparently The Fallen can manipulate space and time to escape from the sarcophagus and the pocket dimension he was trapped in.
The Longshot rose, vanished into the rings of the gas giant that filled the sky. Inside the Nemesis, the pillar glowed. Time and space rippled, buckled. The surface of the artifact the sarcophagus-weakened. The black hand of the Fallenpushed out of his cons-old prison.
Optimus Prime 654
Paramount
where does this source come from?
grillmaster
Exceptional
eons-old prison not cons-old but otherwise yeah
Thirteen prime
Acclaimed
I keep wondering if The Fallen is talking about the population of one planet whose mental mass and power he absorbed, or about all the worlds and civilizations he devastated?
The Fallen used his telekinesis and teleportation abilities to transport the Constructicons and Jetfire to another part of the planet.
Primes are transdimensional beings, that is, beings capable of transcending time, space, and other dimensions, because of this feature they can travel between dimensions.
The Fallen can apparently open access to a sub-dimensional storage area from which it can obtain weapons.
The Fallen used his telekinesis and teleportation abilities to transport the Constructicons and Jetfire to another part of the planet.
Primes are transdimensional beings, that is, beings capable of transcending time, space, and other dimensions, because of this feature they can travel between dimensions.
The Fallen can apparently open access to a sub-dimensional storage area from which it can obtain weapons.
Thirteen prime
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The Fallen, using a fraction of his remaining power, was able to heal all of Megatron's damage.
He was able to change Megatron's body, strengthening it, which is apparently why he acquired most of his abilities (increasing his mass threefold, an interdimensional bridge with which he can move between stars, and a cell for dividing dark matter) this can probably be attributed to transmutation, strengthening statistics and granting powers.
Can harm Megatron while in another dimension.
It is directly stated that he was weakened very much, so this explains his loss.
As shown, copies of the Allspark destroyed another solar system.
Considering this, he was able to take the Star Harvester explosion and the Fake Matrix explosion in his face, the former can absorb all the energy of a star, which would essentially destroy that star system, and the latter is almost equal to the Allspark, so he took two star and solar system level explosions.
He was able to change Megatron's body, strengthening it, which is apparently why he acquired most of his abilities (increasing his mass threefold, an interdimensional bridge with which he can move between stars, and a cell for dividing dark matter) this can probably be attributed to transmutation, strengthening statistics and granting powers.
Can harm Megatron while in another dimension.
It is directly stated that he was weakened very much, so this explains his loss.
As shown, copies of the Allspark destroyed another solar system.
Considering this, he was able to take the Star Harvester explosion and the Fake Matrix explosion in his face, the former can absorb all the energy of a star, which would essentially destroy that star system, and the latter is almost equal to the Allspark, so he took two star and solar system level explosions.