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OBD Convo #11: Assemble, You Brave Achaeans!

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Limu&Doug

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Uoruk

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That's what I was saying in the first place, bro. That a conspectus is named after a founder of it, and that it is also a title because it is. That's how they get these aliases like Lazuli and Haima. That's their conspectus, and that's also the name of their conspectus. Rennala's real name isn't Lazuli. Just like Lusat's real name isn't Olivinus.
That....doesn't make conspectus a title. As of now it only points to them being specific studies of certain sorceries. You're conflating alias and title
 

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That....doesn't make conspectus a title. As of now it only points to them being specific studies of certain sorceries. You're conflating alias and title
Haima is also literally used to refer to the founder of it by name. Haima is a conspectus. We're arguing for nothing here, and over semantics. And yes, it is a title. Alias and title are synonymous here. As is also their designation and role in the academy, and what impact they had on it.
 

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Haima is also literally used to refer to the founder of it by name.
yes

tho you did say it wasn't his real name

we can deduce that by just reading the description of his two spells

Haima is a conspectus.
Yes, as in, a study of sorcery. Not his title. His title is Adjudicator. The same way Lusat and Azur were Grandmaster and Rennala was Queen. Conspectus was a title for none of them. Whether they named their conspectus after themselves or an alias is irrelevant. It doesn't make conspectus a title.
 

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yes

tho you did say it wasn't his real name

we can deduce that by just reading the description of his two spells
Probably not. Since we know it's a conspectus, and that's used as an alias or title for the founder of it, and because of that we know it's also used as an alias or title. It's not rocket science, and there's no need to over-complicate it.
Yes, as in, a study of sorcery. Not his title. His title is Adjudicator.
His titles are both Haima AND adjudicator. Just like Lusat is both Grandmaster and Olivinus. They had more than one.
The same way Lusat and Azur were Grandmaster and Rennala was Queen. Conspectus was a title for none of them.
Lazuli for Rennala. Olivinus for Lusat. Karolos for Azur. Haima for Haima or whatever his real name is. Hierodas for Wilhelm. They each had a conspectus relevant to the type of study they started, and that's what their study was named after. And that's what they were also named after by their branch of the academy.

Whether they named their conspectus after themselves or an alias is irrelevant. It doesn't make conspectus a title.
It most certainly does. As they are referred by their respective conspectus as an alias or title. I am not sure why we're even splitting hairs over this now.
 

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Probably not. Since we know it's a conspectus, and that's used as an alias or title for the founder of it, and because of that we know it's also used as an alias or title. It's not rocket science, and there's no need to over-complicate it.

No, it is his name. You keep saying the wording isn't important but it is. It doesn't call it the Haima conspectus like the others it says Conspectus of Haima, The Academy's adjudicator. In this case the wording is clearly giving us his name and not the study of his conspectus but we can assume they're one and the same in this case because of the names of the spells.
His titles are both Haima AND adjudicator.
No, his title is Adjudicator. This is just you conflating the terms again
Just like Lusat is both Grandmaster and Olivinus. They had more than one.
Theres nothing that suggest Olivinus is his name or title, just his study of magic

Lazuli for Rennala. Olivinus for Lusat. Karolos for Azur. Haima for Haima or whatever his real name is. Hierodas for Wilhelm. They each had a conspectus relevant to the type of study they started, and that's what their study was named after.
Yes

And that's what they were also named after by their branch of the academy.
Nope
It most certainly does. As they are referred by their respective conspectus as an alias or title. I am not sure why we're even splitting hairs over this now.
It really isn't. They could have named the conspectus whatever it doesn't have to be an alias or a title. Thats you conflating words with each other.

It because you implied being "Conspectus" is what gave Rennala authority of the academy so we started arguing about the meaning of conspectus
 
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