OBD Convo #47: You Still Wanna F*** With Me?!

Yep, it's confirmed that Gojo died to Sukuna using a Binding Vow to use an instantenous World Dismantle... at the cost of needing to use certain hand signs and calls to do it again...
The person themselves state it but Binding Vows are so goddamned arbitrary to the point they don't even begin to make sense and I don't even mean Gojo's death, just why the fuck aren't people spamming Binding Vows and why the hell aren't they equal?

That's some Nen shit right there and should have been exploited more. Even the Nen stuff is more punishing.
Sukuna doing gang signs is apparently enough for a Vow. Screw all the people who have to do that shit to activate basic techniques.

LeonLex said:

That's some Nen shit right there and should have been exploited more. Even the Nen stuff is more punishing.
Sukuna doing gang signs is apparently enough for a Vow. Screw all the people who have to do that shit to activate basic techniques.

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It's funny too because unironically, this completely destroys the fact that Heian Form Sukuna could have destroyed Gojo by his own words when the dude needed a Binding Vow to take out Gojo with it...
It's also funny that people are saying "This fixes everything" when he really doesn't.
Sukuna has 4 Hands and 3 Mouths and we have seen him explicitly use shit in that fashion, I don't see how that's any real kind of nerf especially when characters are going down in droves barely accomplishing jack shit.

And like I said before, Binding Vows is such ass because again, we have seen Binding Vows require much, much more and even accidentally fucked Miwa dead ass over into never being able to use a Katana again... and it did jack and shit to her opponent(When you think that shit should be obscenely strong). It's so fucking forced and further shows that Gege wants to have Nen Restrictions but have no idea how or why they worked so well.

To basically make my point more obvious for those that don't get it, I will use these 2 Reddit Comments to show just how ridiculous it is no one is using Binding Vows like how Sukuna did to beat Sukuna or atleast grievously fuck him over:

Why doesn't Yuta make a binding vow of sacrificing 10 of his copied CT to make Jacob Ladder instant erase sukuna from Megumi body?
Why doesn't Yuji make a binding vow that let him 1 punch sukuna for sacrificing his own life(which is what Yuji would do)?
Binding Vow is such bs and gaygay is just covering up since he drew the hand sign and chant already. (Btw those are definitely not "ah he's restricted" panels but "look cool" panels.)

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See this guy gets it. Whether or not the situation is taken into account, there are ways to abuse the hell out of the system by either sacrificing minor things for seemingly minor advantages which are actually crucial at the moment, or nothing being worth enough to get you out of a decisive defeat which sukuna kinda disproved.

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The problem is that Sukuna ultimately sacrificed something so minor for something big in that moment... what bigger moment is there for anyone else that isn't "KILL SUKUNA" and aren't doing the same thing?
Or does everyone believe that Binding Vows require something big to work the entire time which if that's the case, that's some absolute convenience(bullshit) that only Sukuna knows how to fuck the system like that...

Communists had to be...

Bandai straight striking Youtube Channels and getting them terminated just for featuring Mods in Tekken 8?

So you can't deal with all the excessive pluggers who are actively ruining the experience of playing your game due to "legal reasons" but apparently you CAN fuck with people who are doing no harm just because they have Mods?

Xhominid The Apex said:

The problem is that Sukuna ultimately sacrificed something so minor for something big in that moment... what bigger moment is there for anyone else that isn't "KILL SUKUNA" and aren't doing the same thing?
Or does everyone believe that Binding Vows require something big to work the entire time which if that's the case, that's some absolute convenience(bullshit) that only Sukuna knows how to fuck the system like that...

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Thing is, how much is actually explained about Vows?
Nen Restrictions has many explanations/examples (and then you have chars like Biscuit), but I don't remember much about Vows.

LeonLex said:

Thing is, how much is actually explained about Vows?
Nen Restrictions has many explanations/examples (and then you have chars like Biscuit), but I don't remember much about Vows.

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Considering how much people complain about the Binding Vows being asspulls? It seems like they was barely explained and we only got that "The bigger the sacrifice, the larger the power boost" but apparently, you don't even need to sacrifice something major for power but to make it work instantly...
Which opens such a huge can of worms that it makes zero sense why the hell isn't Binding Vows used more when it comes to certain characters and certain deals with their powers in this moment.
So basically, you will have people act like "This solves everything! Gege is a genius" because they already believed it was a Binding Vow that did it(Which tells you how dumb people have become) and not realize that "Wait, you can Binding Vow to have to do a few extra steps and not sacrifice the whole technique/fighting style/life for a decent benefit?"
Because now you have to question why didn't Yuta use a Binding Vow for some of his shit in his DE to make Jacob's Ladder even stronger? Or for characters to amp their shit a bit more fighting Sukuna or just go all in if they are gonna die?

And it's still not helping that Gege still has Sukuna "holding back" which just makes the whole thing such a mess.

LeonLex said:

Thing is, how much is actually explained about Vows?
Nen Restrictions has many explanations/examples (and then you have chars like Biscuit), but I don't remember much about Vows.

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There's literally no explanation for binding vows. Other than that, making binding vows with yourself can boost your powers, and the consequences of doing such a thing are light cause you only lose what you gain. For example, Nanami using his full power before Overtime would only mean losing the boost overtime gives him. Hell in JJK 0 Yuta and Rika make a binding vow to sacrifice their own lives to gain enough power to defeat Geto, but Yuta just breaks it by not going with Rika into the afterlife.

Unlike Hxh where for example Kurapika would die if he used any of his anti-troupe techs against a non-member of the Phantom Troupe.

Second is that binding vows between sorcerers/curses are different and can carry huge consequences, what are these consequences? We have no clue.

Wasn't the Yuta one something to do with Rika nullifying the Vow?
Something like "You are supposed to die with me, but I don't want you to die, so we'll just forget about it?"
IMO Vows are lot more subjective than Nen Restrictions.

LeonLex said:

Wasn't the Yuta one something to do with Rika nullifying the Vow?
Something like "You are supposed to die with me, but I don't want you to die, so we'll just forget about it?"
IMO Vows are lot more subjective than Nen Restrictions.

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That's the problem, the subjectiveness of binding vows means that there either useless as shit or not really a disadvantage, Miwa's binding vow of never holding a blade again meant nothing, Sukuna's binding vow that instead of handsigns i'd chant didn't hinder his capabilities at all.

@Qinglong
Dude this guy went full gundam

Dude Fin Funnel with sword.

Claudio Swiss said:

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Yes there TOTALLY wouldn't be the same gender and sexual norms, despite the obvious fact of EVERY single relationship in the series (including those between aliens) being heterosexual.

I'm not saying Vegeta would definitely be against it but it would ABSOLUTELY be something that would surprise him and would take an adjustment period at the very least.

Never mind the fact Trunks is as straight as you get so this hypothetical is never happening anyway.

Adamant soul said:

Yes there TOTALLY wouldn't be the same gender and sexual norms, despite the obvious fact of EVERY single relationship in the series (including those between aliens) being heterosexual.

I'm not saying Vegeta would definitely be against it but it would ABSOLUTELY be something that would surprise him and would take an adjustment period at the very least.

Never mind the fact Trunks is as straight as you get so this hypothetical is never happening anyway.

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I like how some of the comments are acting like that the dude himself is "A Tourist"(Not understanding what the term means), acting like Vegeta would be okay about it(Despite him desperately wanting to keep his race alive even with Universe 6 Saiyans, you think he would be okay if Trunks was gay and thus, his bloodline is fucked until Bra is born) and other such nonsense.

It never ceases to amaze that people just LOVE pretending that characters are suddenly 100% LGBTQ+ because they really just want that praise and adoration for it and nothing else(I find it hilarious people say that Luffy is an ally because of how he treats Yamato... despite not only Oda never went in that direction, Luffy never bought it either since Yamato's first introduction and hell, neither does she when Kaido finally treats her like Oden, she's fucking SURPRISED when Kaido tries to legit kill her because he got tired of her larping Oden without understanding what it means).

Xhominid The Apex said:

I like how some of the comments are acting like that the dude himself is "A Tourist"(Not understanding what the term means), acting like Vegeta would be okay about it(Despite him desperately wanting to keep his race alive even with Universe 6 Saiyans, you think he would be okay if Trunks was gay and thus, his bloodline is fucked until Bra is born) and other such nonsense.

It never ceases to amaze that people just LOVE pretending that characters are suddenly 100% LGBTQ+ because they really just want that praise and adoration for it and nothing else(I find it hilarious people say that Luffy is an ally because of how he treats Yamato... despite not only Oda never went in that direction, Luffy never bought it either since Yamato's first introduction and hell, neither does she when Kaido finally treats her like Oden, she's fucking SURPRISED when Kaido tries to legit kill her because he got tired of her larping Oden without understanding what it means).

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It's dumb cause again dragon ball isn't the series that does this shit especially when AT was alive
Hell trunks is straight anyway so why would a nigga suggest something this stupid

Claudio Swiss said:

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The fact that their using Trunks as a kid for this kind of subject is a huge warning sign