Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

Here's a more relevant issue:

Time Turners (iirc) don't go back that far.


:tupac

Actually, they could, the issue is that it would start glitching out real badly and you could fuck shit up real bad.
We don't include The Cursed Child though but I'm giving the most benefit of the doubt if the could be allowed because the real question is:

Where would any Wizard find the time to get to a Library while they are in an active Warzone and find the shit necessary to even try and fuck with history in the first place?
 

Paxton

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They do, actually, if I'm not mistaken. They just have the nasty side-effect of aging you up, as soon as you try and go back to the present, meaning your ass is staying in the past, within an alternate timeline, if you use it, unless you want to be gaining several centuries, and become a skeleton in the process. And given how dumb the wizards can be, odds on them finding a library worth of not to their venture are slim at best. :jordangif
"In order to make things fair, the HP side in this are max competent. They have 1 year of prep before they invade each universe, they are dropped in a random spot(any forest) in each of these setting's main planet."


:mjpls
 

Even on the toilet? While showering? And always enough strong ones that a group of wizard teleporting in couldn't take them out by surprise? I have my doubts.

Ah yes because Wizards know EXACTLY how to Appariate on a Celestial Dragon while they are on the shitter...
Also, did this dude forget we literally have evidence that if a Celestial Dragon acts in the wrong way, they will be executed by their own?

So that will be effectively meaningless to use it on them in the first place, might as well say "Well they can just mindcontrol Imu and shit, don't ask me how they will be able to find the bastard or whatever, Time Turners GO!

They could go to past Ohara. And, y'know, mind read people for intel at least up to their lifespan.

And immediately get found out due to looking for info about Ohara in the first place... not to mention, they are either appearing before Ohara gets bombed(Which will get Ohara bombed even further) or while it's getting bombed(and thus die in the process) and that requires them to know about the only legit survivor of Ohara... and that's Nico Robin!

Human mages maybe, but remember that magic in Flamme's age was restricted to a select few. Plenty of people in high positions should still not have had any.

Who would still be above any HP Wizard by leaps and bounds.

Elves are few. Too few to really matter, especially since they are spread and unorganized. If everyone else dies the elves will eventually get defeated.

You aren't even telling us HOW the Wizards can deal with the Humans and Demons with how absolutely and suicidally stupid and arrogant they act.

Demons are the real challenge. It might be best to have humanity defeat them before taking out humanity.

Yes, because that's how the Wizarding World acted towards their Magical Creatures... oh wait.

Given, a case could be made that Demons actually have no mind defenses that would work on HP magic. IIRC the only reason demons actually resist mind spells is because their mental structure is very different to humans. Outside of that even Macht could be controlled. I suspect HP magic doesn't care about such a distinction.
Also not sure how many of them could deal with Dementors.

Question: Why would HP Magic work on Demons if that's the case? Secondly, again seeing how the demons are combat wise, the Wizards ain't doing shit but dying.

The don't need to initially have it. They only need to be able to get sufficient extends of that, which at max competence they can. Mind reading, divination, figuring out places where information is and going there via teleportation / time travel. They have ways to get intel.

I like how he acts that any basic Wizard can do that shit when no, they can't and it's a well known issue in the Wizarding World(If that was the case, then the Death Eaters would have all been caught and exposed during the first round up)

Ehm, that's a spell taught in school. I don't think it's rare. You can reduce the range requirement by teleporting repeatedly.

Do people ignore that Port Keys are a thing for newbies? "B-But Hermione" Hermione is the smartest bitch in her class and barely anyone else is close to her in her genius, no one else in her year could use Apparate as well as she could without a Port Key, let alone most adults who still require a Port Key to Apparate safely.

I doubt most standard guards would actually react that quickly. High tier ones, probably. But the entire point is that they avoid those.

I like how he's acting like HP Wizards are suddenly fast as fast can be in comparison to the other franchises that have superhumans as fodder... this also ignores that... yes, there would be plenty of people scared shitless and ready to go if a Wizard just apparated in your house and the sound explosion that happens from it doesn't alert everyone to their presence.

One Piece has no ability to detect magic, so that's a given. Not to mention that next to nobody would dare question a celestial dragon.

Yes, a Celestial Dragon acting extremely strange to how they usually are and trying to cripple their order would not draw in people wondering what the fuck happened or get the Holy Knights to see them as a threat to their order...

You have seen how celestial dragons are. They don't care in the slightest how much other people are made to suffer as long as it doesn't impact them. They literally hunt the inhabitants of random islands once every few years for fun.

And nobody below them has the status to raise concerns.

Except for other Celestial Dragons when one is very clearly and very obviously is not acting the way they should and is trying to fuck their shit up(Something we literally see happen to the main one who reformed)

They would first gather intel and then decide so. Remember, this isn't regular HP verse. This is max competence HP verse.

Max Competence means jack and of shit to a series that barely paid attention to Humanity in the slightest to the point they have no idea what Rubber Duckies are and made their equivalent of a Federal Government sector JUST FOR SIMPLE SHIT LIKE THAT.
 
"In order to make things fair, the HP side in this are max competent. They have 1 year of prep before they invade each universe, they are dropped in a random spot(any forest) in each of these setting's main planet."


:mjpls

Already said it before but what is Max Competence is there for a series that not only doesn't know what a Rubber Ducky is but made it a FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SECTOR just to figure out shit like that?
For people who praise Wizards for being able to "Dress like a muggle" and not look like some out of the way hobo?
For people who believe that Guns are "Metal Wands" and was frightened to shit by WW2?
 

Why would he actually fight them though? Max competency Voldemort would probably, rather than going in for a straight fight, just teleport like a fucking madman and completely burn everything down.

Yes because that's how Voldemort fights... oh wait. They do realize that Equal Speed and Max Competency =/= fanfiction writing right? All "Max Competency" is no different than being fully competent means:


the quality or state of being competent: such as
a: the quality or state of having sufficient knowledge, judgment, skill, or strength (as for a particular duty or in a particular respect)

That ultimately means they know how to use their already acquired skills, talents and abilities at their best. It doesn't suddenly make them JoJo tier geniuses who can do anything and everything, it just means that Voldemort is going to use whatever he has to the best of their ability, not that he's gonna kill people through different means than he does normally.

If he loses, one of his Death Eaters grabs a Perfected Time Turner and goes back in time to change shit.

Change how? All that does is basically make them the next target when they randomly just appear right next to the person who killed Voldemort...

Like, genuinely, HP verse probably goes up to 7 just because of the bullshittery of Time Turners

Again, saying this doesn't make it so, someone already pointed out how going back in time isn't helping against any of the series present even if you go up to 500 years later, why would it suddenly matter if you just do it as soon as someone dies? Especially in a big ass war effort where there would be allies?

and would probably go past that if not for QTMs and Goetia looking onwards and all the other stuff there.

:heston
Yeah, Time Travel is a well known thing to Nasuverse Mages as well as the principle of doing shit like that even by a few seconds...
Also, the Counter Force would be instantly on your ass like it was for Aoko if you even TRIED to move backwards in time... before you tried it.

Kind of hard to lose when your verse can go back in time and retcon their defeats, especially at max competency.

Again, that's not what Competence means... you are confusing competence with intelligence.
 

Considering Yuta can still resist Sukuna's slashes that were shown to still be strong enough to make mincemeat out of buildings and bridges, I'd say Nagant isn't going to do major damage that he can't control recover from with RCT unless she puts a lot of power into her shots.

So... we are just going to forget that Sukuna was in his weakest state when Yuta took those Dismantles? Or are we literally going with the fact now that Yuta is somehow on the same level as Deku? Or are we just pretending Lady Nagant was never that strong to begin with?

Not to mention that while she's good at keep away, unlike Deku he doesn't have to get close to her; he has a curse speech and he can use it as a megaphone as well so if she's close enough to hear him she's fucked.

If he could do that, why couldn't he do it against Sukuna at his weakest? And if we are including his DE in this, Nagant would be nowhere in range for his DE to hit her from 60 meters before she further clears distance(or just goes into the air).

Again, this topic just shows SB has no idea at all how to debate at all or have object permanence.
Lady Nagant is apparently at EMIYA's level who can defeat Yuta easily even in SB Land... but then suddenly, Lady Nagant can't do dick to Yuta? Whose suddenly "Too Fast" for her despite being able to keep track and knock back Deku? Whose faster than Yuta is? :rock
 

Yuta's range is very lacking compared to Nagant's, by a difference of literal hundreds of kilometers. As long as Nagant starts air-stepping ( which she would logically do) all Yuta really should be able to hit her with is cursed speech, which shouldn't be able to meaningly impair her as she tanked the massive explosion going off inside of her

When did Nagant "Tank" that explosion? She almost died, was in critical condition for weeks and even when she fired her shot to help Deku against Ashy Larry, she was still utterly fucked up in every possible fashion.

That's not what I would call "tanking" by any means.
 

Gordo

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Interesting
 

Adamant soul

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More like you've just made a complete fool of yourself just for a bit of low quality bait but let's see anyway. :mjgrin
Jugram in heavy question btw.
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Yeah there's nothing questionable whatsoever about Jugram being > Lanza, the thing that's complete nonsense is that Nianzol and Gremmy are up there but somehow fucking Pernida, Askin and Uryu aren't. :heston

To be clear most of this list should be in the > Lanza tier, only complete fodder on the Nazi front is not.
 

Doronbo_Shirake

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People voting "He clears" when Round 4 is against Saint Seiya. :kobeha
 

OtherGalaxy

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not a fan of people trying to scale things based on what they didn’t say or show rather than what they did tbh
 
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