Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo
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I put off checking out the official scans for so long bc I couldn't take the names
That makes no sense at all because we are never given a single idea that Diavolo is "dying around the world" when Trish explicitly looks over the Canal where Diavolo fell into and still feels his presence.
It's more heavily implied that he's not in the Universe anymore in a major sense.
Most likely got it from the Dub which went with the Localized Names instead due to the sheer copyright.
Green Tea and Notorious Chase is infinitely worse than Emperor Crimson though.
I think it depends on which TL you use
The JJCA one leans more towards Diavolo not being in the same space. Giorno says he will never return to reality. But the official ones just say he will never arrive at the truth. They sort of mean the same thing in the context of the story, but it's still a big jump to try and argue about it being a new universe. I'm not against that interpretation, it's just also got a lot of gray area to where it's not a hill I'm gonna be spending a ton of time defending, especially when we already have King Crimson's statement about how its powers work on a universal scale anyways.
True but the deal with being removed from Reality and "never arrive at the truth" combined with Trish still only feeling his presence at the Canal but not having him actually disappear from there definitely speaks to some insane bullshit going on that's more than just him somehow still being on Earth.
Eyes Over Heaven also seems to go with that take as well.
you can also just argue his deaths are shown to us in future tense and aren't happening concurrent with Trish and Giorno's conversation (as Trish can sense Diavolo is alive, that would mean during that dialogue the hobo shank may not have even occurred yet). That's what I mean about the gray area, there's a lot of room for different interpretations here and I get people feeling it's a big jump.
That doesn't even begin to make sense even in real life, let alone fiction...
Someone please tell this man that humans are primarily made of water and how truly damaging a anti-personnel gun is to a living person... or just show that scene of John Rambo firing at the Burmese with a .50 Calibur Machine Gun...
Or that he’s in the limbo state GER put him in of neither being fully alive or dead, hence why Trish still feels him out there
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It’s a stretch too given GER’s ability is to nullify the effect behind cause and effect, not send people to other universes let alone make them.
If anything, it’s the laws of nature in JoJo taking effect of someone whose dead but can’t actually reach their death, hence them being subject to endless scenarios of dying without actually reaching that point
If anything, it’s the laws of nature in JoJo taking effect of someone whose dead but can’t actually reach their death, hence them being subject to endless scenarios of dying without actually reaching that point
Regardless of how you feel
GER sent his ass somewhere multiple times over and over ad infinitum.
GER sent his ass somewhere multiple times over and over ad infinitum.
GER sent him nowhere. That’s not how his power works at all
What Astaro said about how the laws of nature in JoJo works is the likely answer here
I mean it's power isn't described as letting him walk around voids of destroyed time either, that's just something it can do for some reason
but again I don't care enough about this point to drag it on. I've already said there are tons of different ways to interpret that dialogue especially with multiple translations floating around and it's neither here nor there. We already got the retranslated KC statement as far as its area of influence for scaling purposes
but again I don't care enough about this point to drag it on. I've already said there are tons of different ways to interpret that dialogue especially with multiple translations floating around and it's neither here nor there. We already got the retranslated KC statement as far as its area of influence for scaling purposes
The other fact supporting this is that Diavolo’s in an infinite death loop well after GER deactivated with the arrow separated from Giorno
So something else is what’s keeping Diavolo in that infinite hell and it’s not GER’s power, it just put him in that state
So something else is what’s keeping Diavolo in that infinite hell and it’s not GER’s power, it just put him in that state
If by "interesting" you mean you mean ironic in the sense of characters from a "kid's show" would pretty much walk through a grimdark scenario like it weren't shit then sure.
Oh boy, here we go...
Could it be... because Tezcatlipoca at that time... was a Grand Servant? The same set of beings that are utterly above Servants in every way? No... really? I fully believe that Chaldea has a way to defeat Grand Servant Romulus Quirinus just like that.
And seriously, he is literally going with "Tezcatlipoca is superior to everyone in Chaldea(Despite his legend being that he never defeated Quetzalcoatl, whose IN CHALDEA, in a fair fight... which Fate Grand/Order retained)" logic... when Ritsuka than defeats both Tez and Daybit so thoroughly, Daybit uncharacteristically goes into a rant about he should have summoned Quetzalcoatl(or one of the other Top Gods) instead... so that's a goddamned contradiction and a half.
Imaginary keeps saying this stupid shit but LB6 explicitly disagrees with Ritsuka's Shadow Servants making them be on par with the Tam Lin... the same Tam Lin that can go with the best of them, including 2 Divine Spirit-Tier Servants...
And Chaldea defeated that Tezcatlipoca so again, what is the fucking point of this?! Can Imaginary think for 2 fucking seconds before he just starts typing the most idiotic shit?
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I mean that it'd be hilarious and amusing to see a Pokemon human just mollywhop and bring apocalypse into a zombie show itself.If by "interesting" you mean you mean ironic in the sense of characters from a "kid's show" would pretty much walk through a grimdark scenario like it weren't shit then sure.
1. Who the hell was the Servant in Salem again? You mean Abigail? The one who was housing one of the strongest Great Old Ones and it was about to fully manifest? And we beat her when we finally got Nehza to take her as a serious threat and knocked her out(And the real problem was containing Sut-Typhon/Yog -Sothoth from just opening enough breaches to allow all of the Lovecraftian entities to jump in).
2. Again, Tezcatlipoca is a GRAND. SERVANT! In LB7(Again, this has been spelled out since London that Grand Servants >>> Servants and King Hassan making a joke of Gawain at his best). Everyone else is other absolutely ridiculous like Tlaloc or is ORT's Heart given form. Everyone in LB7 would unironically tear Fairy Tail apart on their own.
Ah yes, White Wizard Zeref is beyond Chaldea's reach in any capacity!
White Wizard Zeref > Divine Spirits, Beasts, U-Olga Marie and even TYPEs! Wow Imaginary is just speaking truth!
Yes... it couldn't be because Ritsuka fucking DIED in Lostbelt 7 and had to revoke their Mastership to live and Tezca gave it to Camazotz so he could use those Servants to try and kill Ritsuka with them(Altering them in many ways)... and Ritsuka still won those fights despite not even being a Master, right?
This is legit getting absurd in just how wrong Imaginary really is and yet no one has contested him and even liking his posts!
They do... that's the point of a VS. debate...
Again, the fact this nimrod is trying to act like Chaldea would be restricted in a VS. debate like this is just taking the medal at the Mental Gymnastics...