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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

    They never try this method, and as mentioned true resurrection and likely withers both seem capable of using true resurrection wich creates a brand new body. (hell if you resist as a dark urge withers brings you back despite bhall removing his godly essence) The game never acknowledges the idea of removing the tadpoles in this way, it studiously disallows you from ever discussing or touching on the idea by erasing your companions tadpoles from existence. No I just understood the main plot of the game unlike some people in this thread (cough look in a mirror cough) who for some reason have it in their heads our tadpoles are super special compared to all the other netherese touched tadpoles in the game. It's not a huge deal, as mentioned I would have much prefer the game at least mention this way of removal because it's quite literally the main one described in older editions, rather then studiously ignoring it when we have at least two methods of high tier resurrection on hand...
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

    Thats actually another change overlord made with it's system ainz has access to several divine spells. Though arguably it could be a consequence of his ability to steal spells from deceased casters. Saying that in overlord gods don't actually exist as real entities from what we can tell.
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

    I have a question about wands, in overlord they seem like multiple use scrolls, holding multiple charges of whatever spell is imbued into them. Is that how they work in dnd?
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

    This really does bring into question what gales plan was in regards to that scroll of true ressurection. As logistically it should have a high chance fail unless a powerful cleric finds it. Then again since bg3 does away with limits on scrolls entirely I really have no idea how it works from gales prespective cause he seems to somehow know it will just work. I wound up keeping the scroll of true ressurection the entire game, just used withers to bring gale back instead and kept the nifty scroll.
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

    See that would work better if karlache didn't exist, you can straight up behead her without her ever joining your party/without ever talking with her and her worm still simply doesn't exist. Unless the emperor is for some reason protecting the worm in the decapitated head of a woman we never properly interacted with/cared about. which tbf sounds like the sorta dickish thing he might do. Its made even weirder cause you can get worms before you ever talk to the dream visitor as well. As I learned in my last playthrough where I wasn't long resting enough. They just sit in your inventory and do nothing with some words about "Being useful later" when you try to eat them
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

    Because I don't feel that counts as trying? The game doesn't let you try, it just decides your companions worms don't exist in any obtainable form even if you previously could ala minathara. Likely to stop things like my question...Or possibly so we don't find a way to dupe worms. If our character made some acknowledgement of it that'd be different as at that point our character would have tried and failed but thats simply not what happens. The game just doesn't acknowledge their worms in the first place. Like to be clear thats exactly what I did on my first playthrough because I knew the old trick was to destroy the head/worm and bring the person back, and was annoyed when I couldn't yank the worms. When I found the scroll of true ress I figured that might be it but still no dice.
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

    How could they try when the worms don't exist in your inventory? Unless your reffering to beta or something You can not, they will not drop them regardless of how or when they're killed, even if it's a perm in story death ala lazel stabbing shadow heart or vice versa. You behead karlache and she still won't drop the bloody thing. This is why Im confused on your insistence people tried, you can't try, the worms don't physically exist in your companinons inventory at any point outside minithara.
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

    I mean I never meant to imply it was? I liteally said earlier Im pretty sure the real answer is it would wreck the story/fuck things up so the devs just made it impossible to try/really engage with the idea. I was just wondering if there was an explanation in game I missed in my playthroughs because the idea is never even mentioned from my experience which felt weird. Then it became a mess because of safaracs insistence our parasites were special vs every other true soul which simply isn't how I understand the story. Then came your statement people tried when that is impossible with how the game deals with your companions and their parasites. You can't try, your not allowed to, even with a companion that was previously an enemy and dropped the thing it ceases to exist the moment she joins your camp. The game simply doesn't mention it afaik. The party doesn't just have access to true res, they also have withers. While he's kinda a game mechanic he's also central to the plot in...
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

    Unless he's talking about the beta or some earlier version I have no idea what he's talking about because you can't see or interact with the tadpoles when your companions are dead. The game disallows you from seeing them/doesn't spawn them in their invetory for some reason. (I know because it's one of the first things I tried) Again this includes minathara (Had to load up and old save to double check but her corpse carries zero parasites after she's a companion, before joining free worm) who you could rip the tadpole out of right up until she was a companion so it's seemingly not due to anything being special about your tadpoles. Her tadpole is the exact same, she has the same powers, same abilities, and suddenly it can't be interacted with when she's a companion, the exact same way it is for all your other companions despite the fact before that point you could freely rip the worm from her head and eat it. My issue isn't that it doesn't work my issue is the game never even...
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

    It doesn't work because the game doesn't let you interact with the parasites in your companions heads at all. The one mintharas head cease to exist in her inventory the moment she's a companion. I repeat it is never once mentioned even the idea of killing yourself, squishing the parasite and bringing you back. This is never mentioned or acknowledged in any way. I would be fine if we were told they were soul bound/some other explanation was given but thats not what happens. The game just disallows you from touching them when your companions die for no apparent reason. (I played a dark urge, I wanted to eat them but alas) Why is it if I burn gales body to a pile of ash and revive him with true ressurection his parasite comes back? Why is it I can't attempt to eat the tadpoles when my companions are dead. The game quite simply doesn't acknowledge the idea at all. Now to be clear My thought is the devs didn't want it to ruin the story so rather then try and write around it they...
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

    The fact mintharas tadpole is treated the exact same? Normal tadpole infection doesn't give psionic abilities afaik, it turns "you" into a mindflayer within a few days (And technicallities here as unless your the bhall spawn/main character your soul is gone and just an imprint of you is left behind). The power of the parasites and the fact people can run around with them for extended periods of time is something unique to them (Unique to every parasite infected person we run across in baldurs gate. A true soul has a parasite and sometimes don't even know/understand it) and its shared by minathara who gained her tadpole under different circumstances long before we meet her. Notably when she joins the party your suddenly no longer allowed to rip it out of her head despite being able to do so in act one. Suddenly the ability to take it out vanishes the moment she's a companion...Strange that isn't it? Like I seriously feel like you've fundamentally misunderstood some of the story...
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

    That mindflayer isn't part of the absolutist plot and hasn't examined another true soul. Our tadpoles are unique, like every single other one in the entire fucking game because they're born from the elder brain wearing the netherese crown. AFAIK There are no normal tadpoles in the game in the first place. They're all connected to the nether brain and tainted with netherese magic.
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

    Our tadpole is one of hundreds just like it, we yank out tadpoles just like it all the time. We are not special compared to every other tadpoled victim in the game. The tadpoles have netherese magic because the nether brain has the crown of karsus. Like your idea here is that our tadpoles are different from every other true soul is complete nonsese that is never implied anywhere within the game. Your the one insisting that our tadpoles are somehow different from other true souls when again that is never implied anywhere within the game I know of. We are searching for a cure, but so did others, thats how the fucking druid doctor knew about the weird tadpoles and the inability to remove them.
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

    ......So your argument is we got special tadpoles that can't be removed... I think this conversation is over because you either don't understand the story of bg3 or are being intentionally obtuse. The druids explicitly mention the only way to be free is death/that they were unable to remove any of the tadpoles from the other victims. Our protaganist didn't get super special tadpoles, they got the same thing every other true soul got, and the only reason we're not slaves to the absolute is due to the plot mcguffin shadow heart is carrying around.
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

    Is there a rod or wand of true ressurection? Or did overlords author just decide to make that a thing
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

    Have you played the game? what makes a true soul a true soul is the tadpole. The tadpole your able to remove and consume. AFAIK there are no other true souls who lack a tadpole outside your main party. Your parties tadpoles aren't special in the context of the rest of the tadpoles in the game. Your all rocking the same netherease imbued mind parasites. Like fundamentally I don't understand what your argument is here? Is there some information Im missing that explains why we can't remove tadpoles from our fallen companions/destroy them/some note that makes you think they're specialer then literally every other infected we encounter in the game? My issue is the game never acknowledges the rather obvious idea to kill each other...or wait for one of your pals to die, rip out the worm and bring them back. I have to repeat you're desperate enough to let volo shove an icepick into you eye. You let a mind flayer drug you to talk to it, and let a hag yank on it. Dying and having someone...
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

    ...What? When I said flee I was referring to the first true soul you meet on the road to the blighted village, His worm exits through his nose iirc and your given the option to eat it or destroy it. So on death it's not like they're stuck inside the corpse and impossible to remove. (not that it would change anything in regards to using high level resurrection as you can safely pulp the brain entirely but still) You are quite simply disallowed from interacting with your companions worms in any way after death for no discernable reason despite literally every other true soul having removable worms.
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

    Except literally every other true soul that dies can have the brain worm removed and destroyed with zero issues, even moments after death. Literally the first tadpole you find in the wild can be eaten or destroyed after the true soul died. I can't stress enough your party is the only group incapable of having their brains worms removed post mortem. And gale can canonically die and be brought back with a true resurrection scroll. There is an entire mini quest around it. The party doesn't ever learn what withers is, but he still is a feature of the story that allows for resurrection. I think you misunderstand, I don't think killing them and instantly reviving them would work but there is no explanation I know of why when one of them is dead they can't yank out the tadpole which seems to flee the brain near immediately upon death (Like they do for every other true soul) and destroy it before casting true resurrection/asking withers to help. The story quite simply refuses to let you...
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

    Scrolls of rivivfy yes but the scroll of true resurrection is canonically something gale has on hand and withers is also a figure that is part of the overarching story. Are our tadpoles more special then others? I was under the impression ours were the same as every other true soul. I ask cause other true souls can have there brain worms ripped out immediately after death (The first true soul has theirs crawl out of their body near immediately after he dies, and you can choose to destroy it or consume it). The party is the only group whom seem bound to their worms even in death and it's a canonical way to stop cerimorphsis is to destroy the head/brain and then revive the corpse using higher tier resurrection. Which true resurrection and withers definitely count as. I brought up people messing with you tadpole because papa neir brought up our companions worrying about playing with them causing early onset ceremorphsis, something they never seem concerned with when everyone else...
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

    I feel like the tadpole in gales skull is a rather dire situation. I know it's up to you but you tamper with the tadpole in your still living bodies several times on the way to baldurs gate. From letting volo stick an ice pick in your eye, to the githyanki doctor, to ethel attempting to yank it out with magic, to the goblin shaman drugging you and trying to kill you, and the shaman in the druid camp offering a solution in the form of poison (I guess you could argue this doesn't count but you went to her with the expectation she'd mess with it), to auluem offering to send you on a drug trip to play with your tadpole. Your party is in no way hesitant to let people mess with your tadpole in the hopes of having it removed and I can't think of any mention of post death ceremorphisis. I know withers is kinda a game mechanic to let you bring back your party but he is there according to the lore, and I doubt his magic is just rivivfy. So it seems like you should realistically be able to...
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