https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/weakest-tssdk-character-to-beat-alice-toaru.1159627/post-100921057 https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/weakest-tssdk-character-to-beat-alice-toaru.1159627/post-100921474 Do explain what quotes in particular are contradicted, especially regarding JVA, who is specifically not on the level of the average Transcendent. If it's just arguing "muh lack of aoe" I'm going to laugh at you. Destroying the Hidden World which is explicitly called out as something Othinus could neither locate NOR destroy (in NT9, I believe) means he's below her? Yeah no. I'm amazed at how people can put Alice below true Gremlin like even current Aleister would be able to do ANYTHING against her. The only prep he had was actually finding a way to get to the Hidden World in the first place. He fought them all with his standard techniques. Fuck out of here with this agenda pushing nonsense.