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Dirty busser.

You were scum first, and that's not how you play scum. How did you intend to win the game?

Why would you do this when you were scum?

We chose to keep you uninformed and I'm glad for that. You wasn't very active and I think if you wanted to know you could have come up with a better code, but you survived until the end so that's worth something.

Nah it worked fine because it sold the idea that you were Serial gunning for a Mafia lynch, it was risky but it was the kind of move that needed to be made with the majority of the town mech cleared.

Well played from that position @RDK. I think you deserved a HM especially for getting Town to think Luka was the SK over Jag, without actually counter claiming. Given the position of your slot when you subbed in it's seriously impressive you got to survive the whole game. @Luka Good start from you, wish you kept the WIM up but if you play more like early game you'll be fine. Well played and GG. The dead chat is now nuked so all the evidence has gone, but I have issues with the host's biases here - I don't believe no MVP is fair for this game and it's purely down to scum winning which the host didn't want. As some won't see it, the host is furious at me in particular because they said they felt bad about people complaining about two vigilante's being a thing, and instead of holding the ones making said complaints accountable for that, they said it was my fault for giving them the option to complain about that. Several people have told her how insane that position is and her...

You'll believe what you choose to believe but it has nothing to do with that. There is no "robbing" here, again you're assuming my motives see negative because of you disposition to view me negatively, presumably because you dislike me, but it's not the case. I've had this very discussion with Magic out of game so he knows full well that I don't appreciate him making it about this.

I'm not dragging you, you're already involved. You act like these players just default to having me as town because they want me to be, when you know how people think you know what sort of arguments are going to persuade then, and how to deliver it. That's all there is to it. To act like this group of players just go around town reading each other at the cost of games is simply not true, I can promise you a lot of these players will have been second guessing themselves constantly but just didn't show it. . You just don't understand why it works or why it doesn't, to that end it's just familiarity with the players. At its core there is still a genuine attempt to play there. I'm more annoyed at Magic than you because you at least don't have a habit of constantly invoking this when it serves your purpose, but I can promise you nothing will change without some charity being extended to the people involved in regards to their motivations. Now with that I want to leave this here and go...

For the crime of playing the game? Or what? That I don't think your words are acceptable? I'm far more pissed off at you than you are at me, and it's taking a lot of self filtering to not get really vitriolic with you right now. Like right now I don't want to play with you ever again, I'm going to calm down from that but you have to stop with this shit every time. It's not just with Prof/myself/Fuji etc either.

My position is sincere. I'm talking to you now, sincerely. When you attribute everything that doesn't go your way, you disrespect everyone involved. As far as I'm concerned, you've ruined the game for me. Now piss off and we'll discuss it after the game.

Your points not bei g as persuasive as you think they should be does not give you license to undermine anyone else's character like you have done. You're old enough to understand that there are certain levels of respect that should be maintained. In this case, they were not You just don't understand why he thinks a certain way, so you and Gram assume one thing that's negative as an explanation, and then get high on yourselves about it. So again it's a lack of mutual understanding.

The problem is both sides of this discussion firmly believe they're in the right and can't really see how the other side thinks it's a valid position. Calling it a clique is completely disrespectful to all parties involved imo, at no point in this game have I been able to just click my fingers and have Prof follow me. He and many others operated under a certain belief that lent some credibility to the motives behind what was said, nothing else to it. Frankly nothing will get better if you can't understand each other. So happy to talk it out post game, let's get this one back on track.

Yes I'm Mafia, there now you can go lynch me. Thanks @Magic

I don't want to keep going on in game because it's going to affect reads, so we'll have a talk about this after the game, deal? Because at this stage I don't think I want any part of playing eith you again when all you do when you don't get your way is accuse the others of cheating. I'm not claiming that I've had any great arguments. I'm not claiming that I have had a wonderful game and was just too good. But I'm not going to let you just discredit someone because you weren't good enough to convince people. Go on, I'll take the lynch. Not interested in this any further.

It's not a clique. God you people are insane.

Did you have me at L-1 and Prof refused to hammer Magic? No? Was I even close to being lynched? No? Then save it.

//Out of Game// Nah I'm done talking to you. Think I'm done with you in general after this is over as well. This is absolute dog shit Magic, you can't just call people cheaters because you don't like how it's going. I'm getting sick of the "one rule for us, one rule for everyone else" sentiment going on here. Consider this entirely OOG and we'll come back to it post game.

Like will happily come back to this later because you can't just call people cheaters because you can't get them to agree with you. If anyone else did it half of you would be up in arms.

You probably wasn't accused of game throwing.

If I can accept a Mafia/Serial masons I am happy slotting Gram into there. Would mean the last one is... Yoho maybe? If not then I need to find teo more, so at the very least don't flip Gram before some of the more obvious candidates.