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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 1: OBD 2027 prologue edition

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OtherGalaxy said:
the rest of the thread is actually worse

like damn Pacific Rim is one of my favorite movies of all time but they get fucking massacred by Kong lol
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Like I said, they are putting WAY too much stock into Jaegars... because they must be similar to Mecha-Godzilla? Even though Mecha-Godzilla's is primarily from Ghidorah and the energy source is literally limitless compared to them?
 
Atem said:
Didn't the same movie have Godzilla blast a hole into the core of the planet? Mecha Godzilla's laser could overpower his atomic breath.
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yeah there's also that. it's blatantly country or continent level no matter how you slice it, which is honestly very consistent with everything else we know about Monsterverse (Ghidorah creating cat 5 hurricanes all over the world just by flapping his wings, the tie in comics having Godzilla tank the Chicxulub asteroid or something etc)
Xhominid The Fool said:
Like I said, they are putting WAY too much stock into Jaegars... because they must be similar to Mecha-Godzilla? Even though Mecha-Godzilla's is primarily from Ghidorah and the energy source is literally limitless compared to them?
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it's so weird. the best feat would be....Striker Eureka piercing Slattern who would go on to survive a small city level nuke? which doesn't scale to Gipsy Danger because Striker is flat out superior, and doesn't scale to Raiju in any way either?

EDIT: Well Gipsy also pierces Slattern post-nuke so that's debatable but it's still weak shit by monsterverse standards
 
OtherGalaxy said:
yeah there's also that. it's blatantly country or continent level no matter how you slice it, which is honestly very consistent with everything else we know about Monsterverse (Ghidorah creating cat 5 hurricanes all over the world just by flapping his wings, the tie in comics having Godzilla tank the Chicxulub asteroid or something etc)

it's so weird. the best feat would be....Striker Eureka piercing Slattern who would go on to survive a small city level nuke? which doesn't scale to Gipsy Danger because Striker is flat out superior, and doesn't scale to Raiju in any way either?
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Like I said, SB users usually never do any research, expect people to give info in their stead and when that usually happens? Make up some completely arbitrary reason why the feat cannot have happened(Usually add "breaking the setting" somewhere alongside "it's not possible" or "you are reading it wrong, this is what it truly means") and strike it from the record entirely with no one even questioning it(that or continually go "muh consistency" when the Jaegars NEVER do the same level of damage or similar scaling feats even ONCE.
 
OtherGalaxy said:
it's just so weird because Monsterverse has made it super easy to follow these things. Like it really hands you the feats on a silver platter.
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So does Star Wars, so does Fate when you start reading it, I mean do I really need to keep going that hypocrisy is SB's bread and butter?

They don't scale ANY of that to Kong for some insane reason because "nonsense" despite Kong legit being strong enough to not die against Godzilla on multiple occasions(the last one only incapacitated him and wasn't fully sure if he was even going to die).

Like let me take an excerpt from it to prove how ridiculous this is:
No, he’s not fought any kaiju in the ‘alien bioweapon’ sense. Meanwhile they have fought each other and know how to fight kaiju, as well as armed smart humanoids. Heck, before leaving skull island and fighting G and Mecha G he’d only fought skullcrawlers- not even close to comparable! The physical anatomy of Raijin is not particularly similar to his foes. They’ve fought things more similar to him than vice versa, and just have far more combats period.

Whip tails, absorption, electric bite, he’s faced none of these abilities before. They have faced blades wielded by bipeds before.

And again, just looking how they *actually fight*. Kong is talented but sloppy and makes a lot of mistakes like getting his axe stuck, ignoring Godzilla to focus on getting the axe out, just standing and eating the occasional frontal charge he could’ve dodged, and the kaiju do have some nice skill feats and various tactics and there’s two of them so if *he* makes a mistake, either can exploit it, while if one of them do, the other can cover.

His punches and blows really aren’t anything out of line with PR. Raijin’s charged slap especially will not have trouble competing, but even a shoulder check sent a jaeger through 3 buildings casually- these are strong kaiju. Cat 5s aren’t like cat 4s, they’re a very solid physical step above everything else in PR, which is why so much effort was put into keeping Raijin at a distance.
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This is literally one of the highest liked posts of why Kong would lose:
- He's sloppy and usually aims for trying to get weapons rather than just fight Godzilla head on(Despite Kong KNOWING it's a terrible idea from their last skirmish and was specifically getting it as he know it would help deal with Godzilla's Atomic Breath).

- He only fought Skincrawlers... which are somehow not equivalent to the Kaijuu in Pacific Rim... despite how absurdly wrong that is. And he somehow does not use the fact that Kong can fight the both of them and not die immediately... because...

- And because they can knock Jaegar's around, they somehow outpunch Kong... despite M.Godzilla is the same size as Godzilla, which TvTropes(and the movie) has at: The opening credits give us numbers for Godzilla: he's 393 feet tall and weighs 164,000 tons
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I'm pretty sure Kong sent Godzilla flying once and they are well bigger and heavier than most Jaegars... this is really fucking stupid...
 
Pacific Rim kaiju are actually consistently kinda goofy with how they fight
like they multiple times abandoned their original goals if another target showed up, even though it would be easy to finish goal 1 off then fight the interloper

also they scaled Kong's axe to.... Godzilla slicing boats....when not only is it made of the same material that would tank the gravity as all kaiju do, it absorbs Godzilla's blast point blank. They probably try to attribute the last one purely to energy absorbtion abilities or something but there's no way around the first one
 
OtherGalaxy said:
Pacific Rim kaiju are actually consistently kinda goofy with how they fight
like they multiple times abandoned their original goals if another target showed up, even though it would be easy to finish goal 1 off then fight the interloper

also they scaled Kong's axe to.... Godzilla slicing boats....when not only is it made of the same material that would tank the gravity as all kaiju do, it absorbs Godzilla's blast point blank. They probably try to attribute the last one purely to energy absorbtion abilities or something but there's no way around the first one
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I guarantee that not only did they not think of that(Because SB refuses to do any extra research of any kind of what they look into) but if you bring it up, they will REFUSE to believe it can make sense and throw it out.
Hell, they DID bring it up around the beginning and pretend that somehow, the Kaiju are more durable than the Warships and thus, Kong can't hurt them...
The uncharged axe's only cutting feat is an indirect one via Godzilla's dorsal plates slicing through warships, which are orders of magnitude less durable than the kaiju.

Kong's punches will just feed Raijin while Slattern pokes holes in him with his tails. Given how threatened he was from Mecha's tail threatening to do this to Kong's face, a few good hits, perhaps gouging an eye out, would do him in.
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Kong’s punches hold about a kiloton of force each, going off of the official statements of his punches being equal to a Richter scale 4.2 earthquake. He’s stupidly strong, even disregarding his ability to knock over the million-ton Mechagodzilla.
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I wont Kong to win, I really do. He's my favorite kaiju, in pretty much any of his incarnations.

But he's not going to. Just comparing Kong's durability to that of a lower level kaiju, one bleeds to helicopter blades and machinegun fire. The other survived a substantial military force focused on him for days, forcing the military to resort to a tactical nuke to stop him.

Now Kong is up against not one, but two kaiju, and not the lower level ones, but two of the bigger and more powerful ones.

Kong's speed and agility probably means he lasts for a while, but ultimately they are powerful enough to hurt him and durable enough that he will have a hard time hurting them, much less taking them down.
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We humans can get cut and hurt by things that are far, far weaker and less durable than we are, thus we can die to ants because some species can make us bleed... just ignore how we get to Point A to Z and focus on the fact we lose.

Seriously, the fact that Eldritch is the lone one making sense here is absolutely ridiculous...
 
the machine gun fire thing is insane because Kong is straight up like 3x bigger than he was in Skull Island and obviously much stronger by his GvK feats alone. that's so disingenuous to try and use that against him lmao

Also the tactical nuke killed Trespasser so again, it can't really be scaled. The best you can do is give Slattern small city level dura for surviving the nuke, which is absolute shit to Kong. Godzilla survives a megaton nuke at the end of G2014 anyways and Kong's axe can still harm him, so there's no way to lowball Kong to town level.

They're taking the 4.2 earthquake punch thing over shit he actually survives on screen lmao
 
OtherGalaxy said:
the machine gun fire thing is insane because Kong is straight up like 3x bigger than he was in Skull Island and obviously much stronger by his GvK feats alone. that's so disingenuous to try and use that against him lmao

Also the tactical nuke killed Trespasser so again, it can't really be scaled. The best you can do is give Slattern small city level dura for surviving the nuke, which is absolute shit to Kong. Godzilla survives a megaton nuke at the end of G2014 anyways and Kong's axe can still harm him, so there's no way to lowball Kong to town level.

They're taking the 4.2 earthquake punch thing over shit he actually survives on screen lmao
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That's how SB rolls man...
They think that Kong is 1:1 as he was in Skull Island despite that explicitly not being the case(as he wasn't in his Home World in the first place) and they keep acting like the Jaegars are far, far stronger than they actually are... despite no proof at all past "Look at what else they did.

It's even more absurd considering they keep trying to scale it independently when again, placing the fact that both movies happen in the same timeline and in the same timeframe, Godzilla KILLED GHIDORAH! Kong had to make him work to kill him and kept coming back for more. He isn't equal to Ghidorah or Godzilla, but he's no half-pint and that's the truly absurd part.
 
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