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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 1: OBD 2027 prologue edition

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If there is one things that's great about tiering systems is that they're inevitably pointless in the face of hax.

Some of you may be too young to remember, but most serious roleplaying forums used to have a few characters like this. We used to call them "bouncers"(for obvious reasons). Essentially, they were peak humans who would invalidate your super-duper special OC when they(or the OP) didn't think it was cool to fuck over a thread for your power fantasy.

It's the kind of character, who is barely wall level, but who can shitstomp a superduper-hyper-omni-mega-omni+-hyper-perfect-versal++++++++++ god because their hax ability is literally "within x-squared kilometers, objective reality now applies and supernatural stuff no longer works".

So now your hyperdimensional loli is facing off against a super heavyweight MMA fighter with a shotgun, and your powers don't work anymore. Get fucked, kiddo.
That is one of my favorite type of character powers. Anti-hax.
 
That is one of my favorite type of character powers. Anti-hax.
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The ultimate deterrent for wank. :obamalaugh
 
Even as someone who hates Boruto's existence, how DOESN'T he destroy Tanjiro in combat again?

This is really bad logic. The lightning that Mugino and Konohamaru dodged wasn't natural. It only happened after Victor threw his cane into it. lightning strikes on demand aren't natural unless stated otherwise like Kirin

Just having natural energy doesn't mean that you're using natural elements. It's still chakra and therefore unlikely it's real lightning.

Can't talk about the novels cause I don't like them, but something being described as 'lightning speed' when ANBU prodigy Itachi had trouble with it means that it's clearly hyperbole

Oh... right...
SB still has this stupid fascination with downplaying any and all uses of Lightning unless it's explicitly Lightning they can agree with(aka their favorites). Again, the only times I should see Lightning get a pass is if:
A) It's explicitly noted to be genuine Lightning in any way.
B) It explicitly uses the Electromagnetic Spectrum
or
C) In the cases of Magic, if it's explained what comes from it is actually the element/energy itself rather than just taking it's form.

EDIT: And yes, SB does do that, see how they fully go with Gojou's Infinity being legit Infinity or Misaka's Lightning being true Lightning for example.
 

That was a horrible mistranslation and should be forgotten. The Japanese version said something completely different.

Actually... it's kinda overplayed...
In the Japanese version, Tamamo stated that if she went full Golden Fox, she would endanger the Trichiliocosm:
A concept found in the cosmology of Mahayana Buddhism in which the universe is said to be comprised of three thousand clusters of world-systems each of which consists of a thousand worlds.

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...from the invisible sign on the crown [of his head] came forth a great light which shone everywhere throughout the trichiliocosm...

It's really not a terrible mis-translation(Again, FGO NA is primarily handled by JP side and has Editors even now who do an extra look over the NA Translation Team) if you factor in how the Nasuverse works(With multiple Textures overlaying each Planet and Influence can spread across the Universe into following your rules) as this most likely WAS the closest equivalence to how the English would understand Trichiliocosm.
So in laymen's terms: That seriously needs to die.
 

Okay whoever doing this needs to stop...
 

Thousands of Fate Vs Debators cry out in agony before being silenced.
Flowery Language might as well be the primary language of Nasu ; p

I do mostly agree with the conclusions on who Ainz beats though, Karna as usual is constructed alternatively.

Well isn't that cute considering that you guys cream yourselves raw over the incomprehensible language of To Aru, Overlord and Tensura...
People made of glass seriously shouldn't consider throwing stones, let alone at glass houses...


His battle field against Cure Elim was 2 KM across - both parties started at opposite ends of it - and Ainz was able to snipe Elim with spells from that distance (including creating summons right next to him after Elim crossed half that distance).

During his battle with Wrath he teleports a kilometer in the air, notes he could go higher and start bombarding from afar. His AoE spells can also span hundreds of meters to kilometers as well.

That's so impressive...



It's not like Servants are that fast at all to intercept...



No siree bob...
 

Nah, she solos Fate. And Shiki in his strongest incarnations has the feats to stomp Shirou and Saber combined while blindfolded.

This dude seriously needs to stop with this Ryougi wank...
Especially since he twisted the shit out of Nasu's words and engages in absurd downplay to reach that conclusion.
 
he's clearly talking about VSB's unironic TOAA level Shiki :russ
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ryougi_Shiki

It's funny as hell because FGO and Nasu himself straight up states she's not all that strong even in Void as she can only defensively fight Servants and would straight up be dead against Primate Murder and other Beasts.
Somehow, he took that to mean it only counts for SERVANT Void Shiki(Despite Nasu not making that distinction in the slightest) and because she can "effortlessly" take down Nvrsqr in her non-canon route in Melty Blood, that matters for her actual power level(Despite again, Shiki Tohno can do the same thing) and thus, Tsukihime >>> Fate somehow.
Especially when he uses the absurd "consistency" argument to argue otherwise... but somehow tries to stack Shiki Ryougi to Tsukihime Sion's feat of taking Arcueid's Marble Phantasm to the face and surviving it in the Manga.

Like I can show you his Feat List because it's honestly the most hilarious shit I've seen.
 
It's funny as hell because FGO and Nasu himself straight up states she's not all that strong even in Void as she can only defensively fight Servants and would straight up be dead against Primate Murder and other Beasts.
Somehow, he took that to mean it only counts for SERVANT Void Shiki(Despite Nasu not making that distinction in the slightest) and because she can "effortlessly" take down Nvrsqr in her non-canon route in Melty Blood, that matters for her actual power level(Despite again, Shiki Tohno can do the same thing) and thus, Tsukihime >>> Fate somehow.
She just compares Nvrnqsr Chaos unfavorably to Araya. Mind you Tatari Chaos is nerfed compared to his real self. Nasu mentions that explicitly. It's also not non-canon as its just another branch of the Kaleidoscope where she somehow got dimensionally shifted into Tsukihime.

All the same Araya, Kouma, and Chaos are compared to each other in a blog post by Nasu for some theoretical joke crossover Melty Blood type game. I'd still err on giving Araya the nod over Chaos as Ryougi > Tohno and the Shiki that defeated Araya is more powerful than Shiki with her knife alone in the same way Ryougi was shitting on a horde of undead. All that to say the trio is basically on the level of a Servant with a B ranked NP (as that's what Kouma is considered... alongside Aoko... who's also supposedly the strongest Magician? Ahaha...).

Nasu's also contradictory as hell about Void. He calls her the second strongest excluding Servants (Archetype Earth/Arcueid being the top of the heap), in a list that includes True Demons from that DDD franchise of his in 3rd place. She also compares her power in the KnK epilogue to essentially what Goetia was trying to accomplish with AAS (namely, she possesses the raw power to go back in time to the dawn of creation and recreate Earth from that point in time). Her Servant self is likely just a fragment in the same way other Beasts and shit are.
but somehow tries to stack Shiki Ryougi to Tsukihime Sion's feat of taking Arcueid's Marble Phantasm to the face and surviving it in the Manga.
How's he accomplishing that? Sion's a vampire with the theoretical ability to become another TATARI. She does depending on the timeline. Not sure how you can play connect the dots with that.
 
She just compares Nvrnqsr Chaos unfavorably to Araya. Mind you Tatari Chaos is nerfed compared to his real self. Nasu mentions that explicitly. It's also not non-canon as its just another branch of the Kaleidoscope where she somehow got dimensionally shifted into Tsukihime.

All the same Araya, Kouma, and Chaos are compared to each other in a blog post by Nasu for some theoretical joke crossover Melty Blood type game. I'd still err on giving Araya the nod over Chaos as Ryougi > Tohno and the Shiki that defeated Araya is more powerful than Shiki with her knife alone in the same way Ryougi was shitting on a horde of undead. All that to say the trio is basically on the level of a Servant with a B ranked NP (as that's what Kouma is considered... alongside Aoko... who's also supposedly the strongest Magician? Ahaha...).

Nasu's also contradictory as hell about Void. He calls her the second strongest excluding Servants (Archetype Earth/Arcueid being the top of the heap), in a list that includes True Demons from that DDD franchise of his in 3rd place. She also compares her power in the KnK epilogue to essentially what Goetia was trying to accomplish with AAS (namely, she possesses the raw power to go back in time to the dawn of creation and recreate Earth from that point in time). Her Servant self is likely just a fragment in the same way other Beasts and shit are.

Like most of that makes sense but how he applies it and where he tries and stack it to is the real problem there.
It doesn't help that he uses Nasu's contradictory words to somehow stack up Ryougi's feats in the opposite fashion because "Who really cares what he says?"

EDIT: For example this is how he tries to use how Nasu compares Servants to Dead Apostle Ancestors to then throw it out and say it must be the weakest end entirely:
So, to answer the famous question, yes, Shiki is absolutely capable of killing Servants if she could contend with and kill Araya, since average Dead Apostle Ancestors can keep up with Servants and Araya is at least a rough equal of Nrvnqsr, who is an elite among the elite according to Arcueid, putting him far above normal DAAs.

To elaborate further : Servants are compared to most Dead Apostle Ancestors. The thing is though, every Dead Apostle Ancestor we've seen has always been some of the strongest ones that are far above the others. Nrvnqsr states the combination of his lives requires the power to obliterate a continent to fully destroy, with speed stated to match Arcueid's when he goes all out. Nrvnqsr is the elite among the elite regarding the Dead Apostle Ancestors. We've actually never seen an average Dead Apostle Ancestor in the original Tsukihime canon ever. Servants most certainly are not taking him on. The speed difference alone also makes up for any potential hax they may have. They mostly have subsonic to supersonic feats and scale to Beowulf from Mahoutsukai no Yoru, who has subsonic speed and beat a basic Dead Apostle Ancestor, who is a general equal of Servants. Meanwhile most Tsukihime characters scale to Roa's lightning+ speed, as they can avoid getting blitzed by him, which puts them around potentially a hundred times faster than Servants. in Actress Again, Roa appears in a Tatari manifestation and is capable of using his magecraft again, which are lightning attacks. And since magecraft is basically the creation of natural phenomena through supernatural means, it should be regarded as genuine lightning, especially since he uses it to amp his speed. I have no idea why he would use it to amp his speed if it wasn't akin to real lightning. And since Roa in this manifestation isn't really that impressive compared to everyone else, his speed acts more as a baseline speed for Tsukihime, since he never blitzes anyone. And they aren't aim-dodging his attacks since again, he uses the lightning to amp his own speed for more than just one attack.

This ignores the fact that Medea is canonically one of those Servants that can use Lightning Magecraft in the F/SN Manga and EMIYA has no problems dodging it, or Alcides being able to shoot his arrows fast enough to get past a Lightning Trap in the same way. Even Gilgamesh in Babylonia could use Lightning Magecraft, Servant or real self and Kingu had zero issues blocking it while not even looking at it. And Nikola Tesla and Thomas Edison exists... but somehow, all of this and their speeds above this doesn't matter because "consistency" but it absolutely works for Tsukihime and KnK characters.

And yeah, Void is honestly here and there because of course, while Nasu can't make up his mind he still continually plays it more or less that she may have that power but she apparently still can't compete against Servants.

How's he accomplishing that? Sion's a vampire with the theoretical ability to become another TATARI. She does depending on the timeline. Not sure how you can play connect the dots with that.

Because he tried to scale it to a ridiculous fashion of how it happened in the manga and Melty Blood(i.e. TATARI Red Arcueid can kill 50% Arcueid because Dead Apostle Sion can do it and Tohno fought her in the Manga and "stomped her" = they completely scale together).

Here's the entire thing if you are interested:
 
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Yeah, Luffy would take all 3 rounds, no idea why they believe that Juubito has a chance at this point.
 

Okay seriously, SB needs to stop with this DS love bullshit, especially when they have this:

Gyokko
In character
All sources
Vs
Zabuza
In character
All sources

And then put in Speed Equal like Zabuza still has no fashion to tear the demon to paste despite scaling to Kakashi in terms of pure skill.
Especially when I think they are including the games... which would include Ultimate Ninja...
 
https://forums.spacebattles.com/thr...21-vs-raijin-and-slattern-pacific-rim.995491/

they are seriously arguing for town level Kong when he tanked the entire gravitational force of the planet in the middle of the movie :giogio

As we have said before:
SB LOVES doing shit like that where apparently science doesn't matter all of a sudden when it comes to series they will usually back.
And thus, you end up with bullshit like that.

EDIT: looking further at it, they are somehow trying to compare the Jaegars... to Mecha-Godzilla... who would be WELL beyond those considering what it's energy source is made out of to literally strengthen it to the point it could very much no sell the worst of Godzilla's AND Kong's attacks and even ragdoll them easily.
 
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