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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 1: OBD 2027 prologue edition

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Gojo Satoru (Jujutsu Kaisen) vs Cernunnos (Fate/Grand Order)

Location: Character Motivation: Both sides are in character Starting Distance: 60 meters Win Conditions: Death or Incapacitation Prep time: None Gojo Satoru VS Cernunnos Who wins?
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...This is getting to be really... REALLY stupid.
The information on Cernunnos isn't even that hard to find, people went fucking nuts when they saw him, either due to how fluffy he is or how bullshit overpowered it is or how he ultimately fucked over Koyanskaya, Beast 4 Lost before she even became it.

Let me put this into perspective: Cernunnos can literally create World Destroying(No not a joke nor hyperbole, 100% legit) Curses that looks like a Huge fucking Tree it's size(which is like above 12 Kilometers+) that are too fucking fast for Servants to dodge and if it ever got out of the hole it's in, it would basically spawn those by potentially the dozens, if not hundreds and virtually destroy the World by existing... because it's not even alive, it's long DEAD and it literally moves on the grudges, hatred and other negative emotions of the Fae. And yes, it has absurd durability and regenerative capabilities at that.

The fact they even think Gojou has any more than a "in his dreams" chance of victory, you are so gravely mistaken.

EDIT: I even forgot the most bullshit thing about it: Getting too close to it nearly killed Mash meaning you MUST keep your distance or you will die just getting too close, but yeah, Gojou will absolutely stalemate it. Unbelievable.
 
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https://www.fanverse.org/threads/top-5-hax-abilities.1254198/
> Top 5 hax in Bleach
> People including shit like Deathdealing, Balance and Antithesis
> While ignoring BOOK OF THE END. 🤣

Yes because the ability that was so cheap, it neg diffed The Almighty, totally doesn't belong on a list of top 5 hax in Bleach.
Oh but.
Book of the end did not beat almighty, it needed Orihime's power to fully restore Ichigo's sword.
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Just what the fuck is this?

Book of the End wasn't being used to restore Ichigo's Bankai you fucking tool, it was used to undo The Almighty's changes which prevented Orihime from doing so in the fucking first place. You have this completely backwards, it was Orihime who needed Book of the End's power to restore Ichigo's sword, NOT the other way around.
 
Adamant soul said:
Just what the fuck is this?

Book of the End wasn't being used to restore Ichigo's Bankai you fucking tool, it was used to undo The Almighty's changes which prevented Orihime from doing so in the fucking first place. You have this completely backwards, it was Orihime who needed Book of the End's power to restore Ichigo's sword, NOT the other way around.
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Man, someone's headcanon is so stupid, it even transcended Kubo's basic writing skills lol.
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Nah but seriously, we literally see she couldn't do dick with Ichigo's Bankai before and needed Tsukishima's Book of the End to even fix it.. How the hell can you ignore something the pages themselves show and tell you in detail.
 
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Mask de Masculine (Bleach) vs Captains (Bleach)

I reread Mask's fights a few days ago and damn, this dude is absurdly powerful for a non-elite Sternritter. His individual cheers seem to give him almost Bankai level boosts. I was interested in seeing how he would do against some of the other Captains in the Gotei 13. The Captains (in no...
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And in more dumb Bleach takes:

"Mask blitzes Shunsui, he hasn't shown anything otherwise" So the guy would lose to Mask... who was able to keep up and ultimately require Lille to undergo his transformation twice.

Awesome work SB, awesome work...
 
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Nagato(Naruto) vs Ozymandias(Fate) vs Kakine Teitoku(To aru Majutsu no Index)

All are in-character, and there’s no knowledge or prep. The Location is the Uchiha hideout, and the distance is 30 meters. Nagato is an Edo, Ozymandias is connected to a Grail, and Kakine is Battle Royale Arc. The Victory Conditions are Death, BFR, or Incapacitation.
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Ozymandias literally summons his Temple first and GG to everyone there.

EDIT: Apparently it was Karna before... who the hell acted like he was screwed against either of these chumps?!
 
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Xhominid The Fool said:
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Mask de Masculine (Bleach) vs Captains (Bleach)

I reread Mask's fights a few days ago and damn, this dude is absurdly powerful for a non-elite Sternritter. His individual cheers seem to give him almost Bankai level boosts. I was interested in seeing how he would do against some of the other Captains in the Gotei 13. The Captains (in no...
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And in more dumb Bleach takes:

"Mask blitzes Shunsui, he hasn't shown anything otherwise" So the guy would lose to Mask... who was able to keep up and ultimately require Lille to undergo his transformation twice.

Awesome work SB, awesome work...
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But remember that Lillie is physically trash so that doesn't mean anything for Shunsui. 🤣

Shunsui got beat up by an average Nazi (ROBERTOOOO) so outside of Bankai he would get beat by basically any major Nazi...and Renji and Rukia...and Stark because we're in denial that there's a clear power difference between Shunsui when his Zanpaktou is cooperative and when it isn't and he totally NEEDED the cheap shot. :maybe
 
GaRbS said:
Because Sigurd wielding Gram is not that powerful of an attack, much more powerful beings with stronger weapons than Gram are considerably weaker than the sun.
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Because you say so, got it

Connect the dots is how you establish who powerscales to what feats. Collateral or not is irrelevant. Cell in Dragon Ball is emphatically beyond Freeza, but literally every feat in the arcs between Freeza coring Namek and the start of the fight with Majin Buu are gutter trash compared to even our pithy modern nukes. Going by your logic, because of the lack of collateral between arcs, the characters are emphatically weaker than their feats from the previous arc.

Expository statements about raw power, even those taken about Amaterasu being as powerful as the Sun, are taken with a grain of salt compared to the power exhibited by those in a given tier and how they compare to one another in combat.

She's comparable to Goetia, who even at baseline from Solomon's Corpse, generates a small galaxy sized model of the universe and developed a NP on the level of a Supernova. Amaterasu is vastly beyond something as pithy as the power the sun brings to bear every second it burns nuclear fuel.
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Nrvnqsr's lives don't actually work as 1Up's as God Hand's lives do. They serve as one gigantic HP bar that must be depleted all at once to finally kill him.
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No, they work exactly like God Hand beyond the ability resistance up aspect right down to regenerating when he's not taken down fast enough.

You're willfully ignoring the relation to quantity, this most obvious and elaborated upon part of his combat aesthetic, and I'm not sure what you think you gain from doing so.

I can see your perspective by squinting, but that you don't even deign to concede my perspective speaks rather poorly of you.
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That's not how the word explicitly works, no.

It's ridiculous because we know for a fact that stronger things than Gae Bolg are weaker than the sun.

Excalibur being able to destroy a larger quantity of Grail Mud does not give it the ability to destroy Nrvnqsr's Soil of Genesis. To begin with both Nrvnqsr and Nasu said that even at full strength/a serious Arcueid would not be able to kill him. Let's assume that this means 30% Arc and not 100%. 30% Arc is stated by Nasu to have the firepower of 4 Servants, by comparison Gilgamesh is stated to have the firepower of 5 Servants. Gil is also stated to be above even Saber Alter and Artoria as a living human in firepower.
These statements do not match up with the idea of Excalibur being able to destroy the Soil of Genesis, which only needs enough power to destroy a continent, and thus also restricts Gram from being as powerful as the sun.
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You're basing your premise on a conclusion that hasn't been established beyond your incredulity

This is not how you debate

I'm actually kind of impressed you're this much of a old head and still think this is acceptable

Also, Arcueid being equivalent to 4 Servants is not the equivalent to her being equal to their Noble Phantasms. Its rather telling when Nasu has also clarified that she'd fall to a pair of Servants working in concert that the NP are entirely excluded from the Equation. Made extra obvious when Gilgamesh's strongest NP, Enuma Elish, is only nominally considered stronger than Excalibur in shear raw power and supercedes it due to spatial hax. His power is also largely based on spamming GoB, the sheer volume of attacks that make him out to be more than 1 person.
 
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onnect the dots is how you establish who powerscales to what feats. Collateral or not is irrelevant. Cell in Dragon Ball is emphatically beyond Freeza, but literally every feat in the arcs between Freeza coring Namek and the start of the fight with Majin Buu are gutter trash compared to even our pithy modern nukes. Going by your logic, because of the lack of collateral between arcs, the characters are emphatically weaker than their feats from the previous arc.

Expository statements about raw power, even those taken about Amaterasu being as powerful as the Sun, are taken with a grain of salt compared to the power exhibited by those in a given tier and how they compare to one another in combat.

She's comparable to Goetia, who even at baseline from Solomon's Corpse, generates a small galaxy sized model of the universe and developed a NP on the level of a Supernova. Amaterasu is vastly beyond something as pithy as the power the sun brings to bear every second it burns nuclear fuel.
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What gets me the most about this is two-fold:

1. Collateral damage makes zero fucking sense in fiction and never works at all for any true barometer on any level. While DBZ loves to be used, Bleach, Naruto, Fairy Tail, etc. fucking hell, all of fiction consistently has problems with portraying collateral damage constantly because fucking no one keeps up with that shit consistently.
If we still used Collateral Damage to mean anything, Ulquirroa, H2 Ichigo, Hollow Aizen and Soul King Yhwach should be the strongest beings in the series and no one should match them at all... despite how absolutely insane that sounds. And that's just one example from one of those series.

2. He is primarily using the fact that Stage 7 Sefar was nearing the level of Amaterasu before she was killed in Fate/Extella to state that Amaterasu is JUST Star level:

Fate/EXTELLA material - Encyclopedia: Crest of the Wandering Star [skill], p. 116[T]
Crest of the Wandering Star
A skill unique to Titan Altera and the key skill in her character design.
It allows her to take on a giant form in order to destroy civilization.
This is a passive skill that allows Altera to absorb the lives, creations, and concepts she destroys as spiritron-information, making her grow even larger. It is not a skill that she can remove of her own volition.
Her HP increases by an order of magnitude2 when she absorbs the same amount of mana as her current HP.
When her body reaches a size that is twice as large as her previous proportions (at 16, 32, 64,128, 256, 512, and 1024 meters), all her parameters increase by one level as she transitions to the next part of her titan adjustment.
(For example, her Strength is A-rank, so if you think of it as 150 points, adding one level at A+ rank would double that number, putting it at 300 points.)
And if the Titan adjustment is added to that, 300 points at the first stage would become 3,000 at the second stage, 30,000 at the third stage, and so on. At the seventh stage, it would be 300,000,000.
This is an energy mass on the scale of a star, comparable to the power level of the legendary Golden White Face’s nine-tailed form (387,420,489).
This is just some extra trivia, but the “Crest of the Star” skill possessed by the Altera in Fate/Grand Order is missing one character.
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The issue is that when you actually bother to read up further on what Amaterasu is capable of(literally peering through the timeline whenever she wants, basically pull someone else to her from throughout time and space, even becoming a threat to the Tricholocosm which would basically be a Galaxy-Wide threat equal to Goetia) AND ignores what Sefar is capable of(i.e. Anything "Civilization" or "Intelligence based" basically bounces the fuck off her and makes her stronger) is why Amaterasu was in absolute danger of Sefar aiming to get rid of her next.

This also does hilariously miss how bullshit Cernunnos is which kinda removes the "Amaterasu is JUST the level of the Sun" when the fucker was able to take 12 Rhongomyniads and it only just destroyed it's face(Yeah he had those millennia of curses and hate from the Fairies but that doesn't mean shit for the bodies' durability).
 
ChaosTheory123 said:
Connect the dots is how you establish who powerscales to what feats. Collateral or not is irrelevant. Cell in Dragon Ball is emphatically beyond Freeza, but literally every feat in the arcs between Freeza coring Namek and the start of the fight with Majin Buu are gutter trash compared to even our pithy modern nukes. Going by your logic, because of the lack of collateral between arcs, the characters are emphatically weaker than their feats from the previous arc.
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I mean if you want to get really technical, then Cell destroying Kaio’s world is beyond anything our modern military can accomplish

and I guess him nuking that Island chain too
 
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Raven Branwen is dropped into the MCU. Who can she beat in a fight? (MCU/RWBY)

Raven Branwen, mother of Yang Xiao Long, is mysteriously pulled into the MCU by multiversal shenanigans. If she were to seriously fight the first person she met, who could she beat? Where about does a high level and competent RWBY fighter fall if put into a more realistic universe like the MCU...
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Strongest she can beat I'd say Thanos.
Weakest, I think maybe Wanda? If she does the standard villain monologue, then Wanda can easily mind control her or crush her with her Telekinesis.
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She physically outclasses everyone but the cosmic god types like the Celestials or Dormammu, and she's much faster than all the normal heroes and villains besides Makkari so the more haxy types like Wanda and Strange won't be able to use their hax powers in time before she just slices them in half, so she'll slaughter everyone besides the aforementioned cosmic gods.
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I mean, she's a relative coward. She'll fight someone as powerful as Cinder.

Several of those have no chance against her. Thanos without the gauntlet just gets chopped apart by her.
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:lolwat :ral
 
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