Luppi where it explicitly weakened him so badly, Grimmjow could one shot him effortlessly).
tbh, grimmjow was the og owner of that rank, luppi was a fake replacement, obv the moment grimmjow took his rank back, luppi would get cui'd
but i will be even more honest and say, the feats that one armed and rankless grimmjow showed against ichigo and shinji are > luppi with his rank
lmao
so impressive the og espada are
and nel was even more of an og, cuz nnoitra literally cheapshotted his way to defeat her and outrank her, what a coward
Well yeah. Ichigo may have been weird in how his power level was fluctuating but he is still defeated Byakuya and Grimmjow was able to beat his ass still with only one arm and being injured at that after Ichigo dominated him for a bit with the Mask.
> badly injured, with one arm and rankless, and also endured attacks from masked bankai shinji, back to back
lets not forget this, grimmjow for his rank, did crazy feats, he was doing things above his weight class
btw
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still
one of the top moments of burrito era sauce, truly a top tier char of his verse, what a rival, to be used as a small planet+ walking surf, is some next level sci fi feat
well done
kishi
that's the vision you had for s8's ''legacy'', truly 552 iq tier![]()
its a Worse version of Gt but Gt at least canon lolthem, getting cui'd isn't what matters here
it means that, burrito shouldn't even exist as a ''sequel'' series
despite
part 2 being a mess and disaster after the pain arc
it still felt ''complete'' in the end,
if he needed so much the need for a sequel, kishi should had studied it, for several years, and fix or improve the mistakes of his previous series
that's overall a big mistake, most authors do, both in west and east
they only want the easy green chee$ecake, without caring about the series drop in quality, it's sad
the stans gonna stan it, whatever terribad plot you give them
but for ''fans'' or some regulars viewers of that genre? it's really a bad example of how to not make a sequel, with that mindset
them, getting cui'd isn't what matters here
it means that, burrito shouldn't even exist as a ''sequel'' series
despite
part 2 being a mess and disaster after the pain arc
it still felt ''complete'' in the end,
if he needed so much the need for a sequel, kishi should had studied it, for several years, and fix or improve the mistakes of his previous series
that's overall a big mistake, most authors do, both in west and east
they only want the easy green chee$ecake, without caring about the series drop in quality, it's sad
the stans gonna stan it, whatever terribad plot you give them
but for ''fans'' or some regulars viewers of that genre? it's really a bad example of how to not make a sequel, with that mindset
"Gokage couldn't handle Madara but the Akatsuki? They will definitely hand Madara his ass"The whole of Akatsuki should be too much for him as an Edo Tensei.
Nagato uses the rinnegan better than Madara ever has, and there's no reason Madara should be better with it than Magato - he was a desiccated old man when he got it, unlike Nagito, who used it most of his life.
Obito would be untouchable to him, Itachi could possibly one-shot with totsuka blade if he gets a hit in, the rest can still break pressure him to leave openings.
And he can't summon Kurama, he's inside of Naruto. Allowing that would be like including Tama and Orochimaru into the Akatsuki group here.
Using a what-if Madara optimized his combat method is meaningless. If he did that, he could have won at any point.
Why didn't he make wood clones after he got the Juubi, why did he not use the more useful abilities of rinnegan more often, etc. He just doesn't fight like that.
And no, it is not unfair. He could only access Kurama at a point in his life, but never as an Edo Tensei.
Saying he should get Kurama and be an Edo Tensei is no different than saying that Taka and Orochimaru should be in the Akatsuki team since they were part of the group at a point in time.
Blitzing isn't something Madara can do given Itachi and Nagato can react to KCM Naruto and V2 Killer Bee in combat.
Madara would honestly have to rely on perfect susanoo here.
His ninjutsu is hard countered by Petra Path and Kisame and Itachi Yata Mirror
Genjutsu is taken care of by Itachi and everyone knows not to look a Uchiha in the eye.
If Killer Bee and Naruto couldn't overpower in hand to hand Nagato I doubt Madara can as an edo given his strength is inferior to A and Tsunade at this time who are at least weaker than Killer Bee.
You could say Madara can use deva path to counter Nagato but it's honestly up in the air if Madara would actually be stronger fact is Nagato has more feats and experience with rinnegan and was able to pressure Itachi Killer Bee and Naruto in a 3v1 fight and only lost because he wasn't used to walking at the time and Kabuto was in control of his body otherwise he wouldn't have been caught off gaurd by Itachi given how good a sensor he is.
He dicked a stronger Naruto than the one that beat Pain and 2 Kage I don't understand lol![]()
the akatsuki replaces the gokage against madara (naruto)
Blitzing isn't something Madara can do given Itachi and Nagato can react to KCM Naruto and V2 Killer Bee in combat. Madara would honestly have to rely on perfect susanoo here. His ninjutsu is hard countered by Petra Path and Kisame and Itachi Yata Mirror Genjutsu is taken care of by Itachi...forums.spacebattles.com
...This is so stupid for so many reasons... but I'm going to let this sit as it's obvious how wrong this is.
So we are going to miss the bullshit Asteroids, his Imperfect Susann'O Wood Clone spam and his absurd Forest that has Flowers that can disable anyone who isn't prepared for it? Or the fact he was able to take hits from the Bijuu entirely and only lost an arm for it?
So we are going to ignore that Madara has the Rinnegan himself and uses it better than Nagato?!
Yes, that worked so well for Orochimaru and virtually anyone who has faced Itachi after Part 2... oh wait...
Ah yes, let's ignore that Nagato at that point had access to all Path abilities explicitly and used them all specifically to get that leg up... something Madara has ACCESS TO and has shown he was able to TAKE HITS FROM BIJUU THAT WAS TRYING TO KILL HIM!
I keep thinking I keep finding rock bottom... but it keeps fucking going. Nagato > Madara apparently despite Kishimoto(stupidly might I add) having those be MADARA'S EYES that Nagato has access to.
He dicked a stronger Naruto than the one that beat Pain and 2 Kage I don't understand lol
Wha..? The pollen isn't some supersonic projectile.
And there is no reason that to assume the Susanoo can block Nagito from pulling Madara out of it. It's not a projectile, it spawns a push or pull on the target, the Susanoo can't block that stuff.
Madara should be faster, but he isn't blitzing the stronger members of the Akatsuki either.
I don't see a way for him to get out of Izanami fast enough not to be hit with the Totsuka blade either. That one has no claimed weakness to better eyeballs like the Tsukuyomi.
Some saving graces are him presumably being able to instantly kill Obito with that seal in his chest since he didn't have Kakashi destroy it yet (can't he just Izanagi out of it, though..? Question for canon...), and Perfect Susanoo being a great deal stronger than what the Akatsuki can take head-on.
To be honest, this is why I don't like the "average" feats rule. Averages here are just an excuse to reject those feats that the debater doesn't like. RWBY also has hypersonic feats, but these are "outliers", and Demon Slayer's feats showing that they are slower is an "downplaying".
Yea 1 way is kill them with Meteors another is to kill them with dem handsI don't even fucking know man, these users, these people are so fucking insanely stupid, that it actually blows my mind that people take them even 10% seriously.
But oh no, it gets WORSE because there continues to be no brakes:
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the akatsuki replaces the gokage against madara (naruto)
Wha..? The pollen isn't some supersonic projectile. And there is no reason that to assume the Susanoo can block Nagito from pulling Madara out of it. It's not a projectile, it spawns a push or pull on the target, the Susanoo can't block that stuff. Madara should be faster, but he isn't...forums.spacebattles.com
Doesn't it really need to be when it covered the entire damn forest area and the Gokage was explicitly disabled upon falling into it?
Considering how Gaara had to pull Madara out of the Imperfect Susann'O and nothing showed you can pull characters out of constructs like that, I would have to give a big fat nope on Nagato being able to pull Madara out of Susann'O without dragging the entire thing towards him.
>Literally blitzes an entire Shinobi Army without even trying.
>Has zero issues dealing with a stronger version of KCM Naruto
...OMFG, does this dipshit not realize that Izanami is so fucking impractical that it hurts? And even how to get out of it is so fucking simple, Madara would be in it for a second or less considering his knowledge of Uchiha Techniques including Kamui which was SOMEONE ELSE'S MANGEKYOU SKILL!
"Here are the ways Madara can win... but they aren't ways he can win because Akatsuki > Madara > Gokage"
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Yea 1 way is kill them with Meteors another is to kill them with dem handsha