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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 1: OBD 2027 prologue edition

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Luppi where it explicitly weakened him so badly, Grimmjow could one shot him effortlessly).

tbh, grimmjow was the og owner of that rank, luppi was a fake replacement, obv the moment grimmjow took his rank back, luppi would get cui'd

but i will be even more honest and say, the feats that one armed and rankless grimmjow showed against ichigo and shinji are > luppi with his rank

lmao

so impressive the og espada are

and nel was even more of an og, cuz nnoitra literally cheapshotted his way to defeat her and outrank her, what a coward
 
tbh, grimmjow was the og owner of that rank, luppi was a fake replacement, obv the moment grimmjow took his rank back, luppi would get cui'd

but i will be even more honest and say, the feats that one armed and rankless grimmjow showed against ichigo and shinji are > luppi with his rank

lmao

so impressive the og espada are

and nel was even more of an og, cuz nnoitra literally cheapshotted his way to defeat her and outrank her, what a coward

Well yeah. Ichigo may have been weird in how his power level was fluctuating but he is still defeated Byakuya and Grimmjow was able to beat his ass still with only one arm and being injured at that after Ichigo dominated him for a bit with the Mask.

Luppi, meanwhile, only believed he took out Toshiro in a surprise attack but the little bastard played it cool and fucked him over with a huge ass attack.

And yeah Nel beat the shit out of Nnoitra even at her weakest Adult form State despite the wound he gave her at that too which makes it more hilarious.
 
Well yeah. Ichigo may have been weird in how his power level was fluctuating but he is still defeated Byakuya and Grimmjow was able to beat his ass still with only one arm and being injured at that after Ichigo dominated him for a bit with the Mask.

> badly injured, with one arm and rankless, and also endured attacks from masked bankai shinji, back to back

lets not forget this, grimmjow for his rank, did crazy feats, he was doing things above his weight class
 
> badly injured, with one arm and rankless, and also endured attacks from masked bankai shinji, back to back

lets not forget this, grimmjow for his rank, did crazy feats, he was doing things above his weight class

True, it really does show the major difference between him and Luppi when Grimmjow endured fighting Ulquirroa, someone 2 ranks above him and explicitly aiming to take him down.
 
btw

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still

one of the top moments of burrito era sauce, truly a top tier char of his verse, what a rival, to be used as a small planet+ walking surf, is some next level sci fi feat

well done

kishi

that's the vision you had for s8's ''legacy'', truly 552 iq tier :mjlol
 
btw

isshiki-otsutsuki-otsutsuki-isshiki.gif



still

one of the top moments of burrito era sauce, truly a top tier char of his verse, what a rival, to be used as a small planet+ walking surf, is some next level sci fi feat

well done

kishi

that's the vision you had for s8's ''legacy'', truly 552 iq tier :mjlol

Sasuke and Naruto getting absolutely wrecked by Jigen like this is both satisfying and hilariously tone deaf at the same time.
 
them, getting cui'd isn't what matters here

it means that, burrito shouldn't even exist as a ''sequel'' series

despite

part 2 being a mess and disaster after the pain arc

it still felt ''complete'' in the end,

if he needed so much the need for a sequel, kishi should had studied it, for several years, and fix or improve the mistakes of his previous series

that's overall a big mistake, most authors do, both in west and east

they only want the easy green chee$ecake, without caring about the series drop in quality, it's sad

the stans gonna stan it, whatever terribad plot you give them

but for ''fans'' or some regulars viewers of that genre? it's really a bad example of how to not make a sequel, with that mindset
 
them, getting cui'd isn't what matters here

it means that, burrito shouldn't even exist as a ''sequel'' series

despite

part 2 being a mess and disaster after the pain arc

it still felt ''complete'' in the end,

if he needed so much the need for a sequel, kishi should had studied it, for several years, and fix or improve the mistakes of his previous series

that's overall a big mistake, most authors do, both in west and east

they only want the easy green chee$ecake, without caring about the series drop in quality, it's sad

the stans gonna stan it, whatever terribad plot you give them

but for ''fans'' or some regulars viewers of that genre? it's really a bad example of how to not make a sequel, with that mindset
its a Worse version of Gt but Gt at least canon lol
 
them, getting cui'd isn't what matters here

it means that, burrito shouldn't even exist as a ''sequel'' series

despite

part 2 being a mess and disaster after the pain arc

it still felt ''complete'' in the end,

if he needed so much the need for a sequel, kishi should had studied it, for several years, and fix or improve the mistakes of his previous series

that's overall a big mistake, most authors do, both in west and east

they only want the easy green chee$ecake, without caring about the series drop in quality, it's sad

the stans gonna stan it, whatever terribad plot you give them

but for ''fans'' or some regulars viewers of that genre? it's really a bad example of how to not make a sequel, with that mindset

Well yeah, that is true. I'm more amazed it still fucking exists considering the manga is going on a downwards scale of selling like dogshit and it's clearly evident the fucker didn't learn shit.
I always knew that Boruto was going to be fucking terrible but even the Anime is still godawful and they keep trying to fix all of the worst parts from the Movie and the Manga and the fact it's still like that... shows there was zero need for a sequel.

Like yeah, authors really do need to understand if their shit even NEEDS a sequel and actually has to improve themselves to make that sequel work. The fact not only did he HAND a Naruto Sequel to someone because he BELIEVED they was good was bad enough, the fact he then basically allowed that dude to do whatever he wanted with the series because he was still the Supervisor is even worse.
And then combined with Axed 8 truly showing Kishi didn't learn shit and he's back in Boruto making even more retarded decisions?
Just reminds me of Salagir... how the fuck did that shit happened?
 

The whole of Akatsuki should be too much for him as an Edo Tensei.

Nagato uses the rinnegan better than Madara ever has, and there's no reason Madara should be better with it than Magato - he was a desiccated old man when he got it, unlike Nagito, who used it most of his life.

Obito would be untouchable to him, Itachi could possibly one-shot with totsuka blade if he gets a hit in, the rest can still break pressure him to leave openings.

And he can't summon Kurama, he's inside of Naruto. Allowing that would be like including Tama and Orochimaru into the Akatsuki group here.
"Gokage couldn't handle Madara but the Akatsuki? They will definitely hand Madara his ass" :hestonpls
They would have been able to... but Madara's next random BS powerup that will have Madara no sell everything they can do and beat their asses.

Using a what-if Madara optimized his combat method is meaningless. If he did that, he could have won at any point.
Why didn't he make wood clones after he got the Juubi, why did he not use the more useful abilities of rinnegan more often, etc. He just doesn't fight like that.

And no, it is not unfair. He could only access Kurama at a point in his life, but never as an Edo Tensei.
Saying he should get Kurama and be an Edo Tensei is no different than saying that Taka and Orochimaru should be in the Akatsuki team since they were part of the group at a point in time.

:lolwat Okay now this is just sad and emblematic over how terrible SB has gotten when this is voted out the ass despite it very much would be a good reason why Madara would wipe out the Akatsuki. There's a difference between something the antagonist has shown or is capable of doing(he DID create numerous Imperfect Susann'O spamming Wood Clones) and "SB Competence" where their favored character just wins because the opponent will just stand there, be stupid and let themselves die.
 

Blitzing isn't something Madara can do given Itachi and Nagato can react to KCM Naruto and V2 Killer Bee in combat.

...This is so stupid for so many reasons... but I'm going to let this sit as it's obvious how wrong this is.

Madara would honestly have to rely on perfect susanoo here.

So we are going to miss the bullshit Asteroids, his Imperfect Susann'O Wood Clone spam and his absurd Forest that has Flowers that can disable anyone who isn't prepared for it? Or the fact he was able to take hits from the Bijuu entirely and only lost an arm for it?

His ninjutsu is hard countered by Petra Path and Kisame and Itachi Yata Mirror

So we are going to ignore that Madara has the Rinnegan himself and uses it better than Nagato?!

Genjutsu is taken care of by Itachi and everyone knows not to look a Uchiha in the eye.

Yes, that worked so well for Orochimaru and virtually anyone who has faced Itachi after Part 2... oh wait...

If Killer Bee and Naruto couldn't overpower in hand to hand Nagato I doubt Madara can as an edo given his strength is inferior to A and Tsunade at this time who are at least weaker than Killer Bee.

Ah yes, let's ignore that Nagato at that point had access to all Path abilities explicitly and used them all specifically to get that leg up... something Madara has ACCESS TO and has shown he was able to TAKE HITS FROM BIJUU THAT WAS TRYING TO KILL HIM!

You could say Madara can use deva path to counter Nagato but it's honestly up in the air if Madara would actually be stronger fact is Nagato has more feats and experience with rinnegan and was able to pressure Itachi Killer Bee and Naruto in a 3v1 fight and only lost because he wasn't used to walking at the time and Kabuto was in control of his body otherwise he wouldn't have been caught off gaurd by Itachi given how good a sensor he is.

:lolwat

I keep thinking I keep finding rock bottom... but it keeps fucking going. Nagato > Madara apparently despite Kishimoto(stupidly might I add) having those be MADARA'S EYES that Nagato has access to.
 



...This is so stupid for so many reasons... but I'm going to let this sit as it's obvious how wrong this is.



So we are going to miss the bullshit Asteroids, his Imperfect Susann'O Wood Clone spam and his absurd Forest that has Flowers that can disable anyone who isn't prepared for it? Or the fact he was able to take hits from the Bijuu entirely and only lost an arm for it?



So we are going to ignore that Madara has the Rinnegan himself and uses it better than Nagato?!



Yes, that worked so well for Orochimaru and virtually anyone who has faced Itachi after Part 2... oh wait...



Ah yes, let's ignore that Nagato at that point had access to all Path abilities explicitly and used them all specifically to get that leg up... something Madara has ACCESS TO and has shown he was able to TAKE HITS FROM BIJUU THAT WAS TRYING TO KILL HIM!



:lolwat

I keep thinking I keep finding rock bottom... but it keeps fucking going. Nagato > Madara apparently despite Kishimoto(stupidly might I add) having those be MADARA'S EYES that Nagato has access to.
He dicked a stronger Naruto than the one that beat Pain and 2 Kage I don't understand lol
 
He dicked a stronger Naruto than the one that beat Pain and 2 Kage I don't understand lol

I don't even fucking know man, these users, these people are so fucking insanely stupid, that it actually blows my mind that people take them even 10% seriously.

But oh no, it gets WORSE because there continues to be no brakes:


Wha..? The pollen isn't some supersonic projectile.

Doesn't it really need to be when it covered the entire damn forest area and the Gokage was explicitly disabled upon falling into it?

And there is no reason that to assume the Susanoo can block Nagito from pulling Madara out of it. It's not a projectile, it spawns a push or pull on the target, the Susanoo can't block that stuff.

Considering how Gaara had to pull Madara out of the Imperfect Susann'O and nothing showed you can pull characters out of constructs like that, I would have to give a big fat nope on Nagato being able to pull Madara out of Susann'O without dragging the entire thing towards him.

Madara should be faster, but he isn't blitzing the stronger members of the Akatsuki either.

>Literally blitzes an entire Shinobi Army without even trying.
>Has zero issues dealing with a stronger version of KCM Naruto
:lolwat

I don't see a way for him to get out of Izanami fast enough not to be hit with the Totsuka blade either. That one has no claimed weakness to better eyeballs like the Tsukuyomi.

...OMFG, does this dipshit not realize that Izanami is so fucking impractical that it hurts? And even how to get out of it is so fucking simple, Madara would be in it for a second or less considering his knowledge of Uchiha Techniques including Kamui which was SOMEONE ELSE'S MANGEKYOU SKILL!

Some saving graces are him presumably being able to instantly kill Obito with that seal in his chest since he didn't have Kakashi destroy it yet (can't he just Izanagi out of it, though..? Question for canon...), and Perfect Susanoo being a great deal stronger than what the Akatsuki can take head-on.

"Here are the ways Madara can win... but they aren't ways he can win because Akatsuki > Madara > Gokage"

:giogio:smh
 

To be honest, this is why I don't like the "average" feats rule. Averages here are just an excuse to reject those feats that the debater doesn't like. RWBY also has hypersonic feats, but these are "outliers", and Demon Slayer's feats showing that they are slower is an "downplaying".

If I wasn't perma-banned from Spacebattles, I would literally hand this dude an invite due to it being obvious he's dis-illusioned as fuck with SB's bullshit "rules"
But yes, it's amazing they are pretending RWBY has Hypersonic feats outside of the Gods(They don't, they barely even crack Mach at times) and yet somehow Demon Slayer don't(despite the fact they actually do but it's nowhere near the level they can wank it when it comes to certain series... Fate).
 
I don't even fucking know man, these users, these people are so fucking insanely stupid, that it actually blows my mind that people take them even 10% seriously.

But oh no, it gets WORSE because there continues to be no brakes:




Doesn't it really need to be when it covered the entire damn forest area and the Gokage was explicitly disabled upon falling into it?



Considering how Gaara had to pull Madara out of the Imperfect Susann'O and nothing showed you can pull characters out of constructs like that, I would have to give a big fat nope on Nagato being able to pull Madara out of Susann'O without dragging the entire thing towards him.



>Literally blitzes an entire Shinobi Army without even trying.
>Has zero issues dealing with a stronger version of KCM Naruto
:lolwat



...OMFG, does this dipshit not realize that Izanami is so fucking impractical that it hurts? And even how to get out of it is so fucking simple, Madara would be in it for a second or less considering his knowledge of Uchiha Techniques including Kamui which was SOMEONE ELSE'S MANGEKYOU SKILL!



"Here are the ways Madara can win... but they aren't ways he can win because Akatsuki > Madara > Gokage"

:giogio:smh
Yea 1 way is kill them with Meteors another is to kill them with dem hands :kobeha
 

3. Fucking. Pages!
And it's amazing that they are going full on "SB Competence" to somehow believe there's is any chance for RWBY to win here when Illya herself would body them 4 to 1, let alone Heracles.

Hans and Shakespeare can kill them by throwing books at them hard enough :oldryoma
 
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