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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 1: OBD 2027 prologue edition

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Thegoldenboy2188 said:
So the anime is really escalating the powerlevels then? Cause I heard that Tengen V Gyutaro wasn't actually something that happened in the manga.
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Its not even really escalating. Nothing done in the anime really approaches what Doma or Muzan accomplish in the last arc yet. Gaps between respective Hashira and the Upper 6 and Muzan aren't particularly substantial either. Gyomei and Tengen are close to peers (despite fighting the Upper 1st and Upper 6 respectively). You might argue the mark shit makes a substantial difference, but you have a markless Tanjiro impaling Akaza by throwing his sword during Mugen Train and he's only around the lower middle end of Hashira in terms of strength during the Entertainment District Arc (because the author pulled a Togashi and ranked their physical strength via arm wrestling).

The Entertainment district is wrecked as is the village in the next arc, but the means by which its accomplished is hard to glean as its a fucking mess to see the full extent of the collateral + the fact they're Taisho era wooden dwellings + we don't know the extent of damage caused per attack beyond some underwhelming results fully shown on panel.
Xhominid The Fool said:
I'm not even sure where their actual speed feats really come from.
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They dodge a few sound based attacks in a few arcs and you can arguably make something from the fact a demon in the next arc can emit electrostatic discharge. Think Muzan and Tanjirou also possess some kind of biological EMP type attack too. Not sure if anything was derivable from much outside the sound based shit though.
 
Adamant soul said:
https://www.fanverse.org/threads/tf...est-consistent-captain-living-in-eos.1251762/

Fucking rich coming from the guy who tried to use an EDITOR HYPE STATEMENT to "prove" Kenpachi was the strongest Captain and outright ignores and makes excuses for the guy's lack of feats. 🤦‍♂️

World isn't even saying Byakuya is strictly the strongest Captain. Only that he is the most consistent because he does not rely on special conditions to achieve his full strength like Hitsugaya does. Which is true.

EDIT: Oh looks like the Kenpachi wank squad is rushing to that thread in full force now, this should be entertaining. :maybe
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Funny how Kenny was one of the biggest L farmer in the final arc
 
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Carissa (ToAru) vs Dormammu (616)

Having found out how powerful Carissa is (apparently in the universal level), bored RoB places her against Dormammu in a battle to the death Manga/Anime feats for Carissa; 616 for Dormammu In-character No prep time and prior knowledge Carissa has Curtana Original; Dormammu has standard gear...
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Okay wow, this thread... this thread really shouldn't exist and holy shit does it get worse:
Why do people keep forgetting about the hierarchy of the worlds of the Sephiroth Tree? Because of which one Phase is already qualitatively superior to the physical universe.
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That's not even how the fuck that works in the series! The entire point of the Tree of Sephirot is that it connects people's powers to it, like a tether to Reality. That's why Corozaon was able to remove Accelerator's powers from it and he had to create a new one for his powers to work through bullshit.
If that worked anywhere to the level he's saying it is, Accelerator should have ceased to exist period.

I actually question ToAru’s supposed infinite multiverse. Aside from Tangram which I don’t know shit about, phases contradict the infinite multiverse too much. There aren’t any infinite amount of phases. While phases are universes which would make ToAru multiversal at least, they don’t have any sort of real evidence of having an infinite multiverse. Or infinite timelines.

Edit: Othinus only could restore and remake the universe infinitely. Does this mean infinite multiversal? No, nowhere close. She would actually have to destroy all of them in one go.

Edit again..: ToAru is a singular timeline.
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This dude is based as hell for an SB user to say that out loud...
 
OtherGalaxy said:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/toaa-current-vs-lucifer-dc-1987917/

man comicvine is kind of amazing
they're arguing that vsb's 'outerversal' system is dumb (which it is) with..........omnipotence should be accepted arguments

lmfao
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outerversal "makes sense" in that it represents inacessibles and higher but realistically barely any verses in fiction at all would reach it as it far exceeds OBD's definition of omniversal to an autistically stupid degree and they're very very liberal on what "outeversal" is and let shit like 40k be outerversal when at best they would be megaversal with Ynnead maybe (If that's not all bullshit)
 

Black Star (Anime) VS JJK

How far does he get?
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This person genuinely needs to actually study a series rather than just going on a broken record than "How?" all the time.

Shadow Benimaru literally had his best attack encircle the entire Planet with heavy emphasis he can destroy it(and due to how the Doppelgangers work, how strong people believe Benimaru is = how strong the Shadow versions are) and Benimaru killed it instantly and stated it's nowhere near as strong as he actually is meaning he should be Planet+ and with Death stripping all of their Fire Abilities away, would make him Planet+

Black Star is one of the strongest Students in the MA and with the power creep from Soul Eater massively benefits.
He already could destroy most of JJK, he utterly soloes it now.
 
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Tengen and Gyutaro (Demon Slayer) vs Archer and Lancer (Fate Stay/Night)

Caladbolg exploded the ground in a wide AoE, sure, but its actual ability to damage superdurable objects isn't really sufficient to break through Gyutaro's neck when his is strong enough that even when weakened with Nichirin poison, Tanjiro still can't cut his neck through with Sun Breathing...
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Okay, someone should ban Starlight from that thread because these are some of the most terrible rebuttals I have ever seen and the fact that people are actually repping this shows just how badly the site has degenerated.

Caladbolg exploded the ground in a wide AoE, sure, but its actual ability to damage superdurable objects isn't really sufficient to break through Gyutaro's neck when his is strong enough that even when weakened with Nichirin poison, Tanjiro still can't cut his neck through with Sun Breathing.
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>Caladbolg II didn't break even when Heracles hit it with all of it's might and the remainder of the energy after the hit still did a massive explosion and turned the area surrounding Heracles into molten glass
>Gyutaro's neck couldn't be cut even with Tanjirou's Sun Breathing
= Gyutaro can't be hurt by Caladbolg II

Do I really need to say anything else when that's supposed to be an actual rebuttal to why Gyutaro can withstand Caladbolg II?
 
Maddie said:
outerversal "makes sense" in that it represents inacessibles and higher but realistically barely any verses in fiction at all would reach it as it far exceeds OBD's definition of omniversal to an autistically stupid degree and they're very very liberal on what "outeversal" is and let shit like 40k be outerversal when at best they would be megaversal with Ynnead maybe (If that's not all bullshit)
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I meant it doesn't make sense because it, as far as I understood it from my short time using VSB, is based on completely superceding an infinite amount of dimensions, or whatever. You would know a lot better than I would though, but dimensional tiering in general is just a dumb way to try and grade all of cosmic fiction. This isn't me saying OBD's system is perfect (again, imo it completely breaks down past megaversal), just that grading by sets of universes will apply to more fictions than dimensional tiering because a universe across series is usually going to be the same, while a dimension varies too much.

Also higher dimensions in fiction don't always translate to something tangible. Like, one of their characters they have at 1A tier, Ruphas Mafahl can only debatably even affect what we'd consider multiversal+. But because the dimensions are there, they think they're able to take on Lucifer Morningstar and shit :skully

But yeah I don't really get why they're so lax about it, other than users just wanting their pet series to win more fights? I've seen the quotes for 'outerversal' Emperor of Mankind and other 40K fans have ripped them apart because apparently in context the statements are deliberately unreliable (or so I've heard anyways). I'd be interested to learn more about Ynnead though.
 
OtherGalaxy said:
I meant it doesn't make sense because it, as far as I understood it from my short time using VSB, is based on completely superceding an infinite amount of dimensions, or whatever. You would know a lot better than I would though, but dimensional tiering in general is just a dumb way to try and grade all of cosmic fiction. This isn't me saying OBD's system is perfect (again, imo it completely breaks down past megaversal), just that grading by sets of universes will apply to more fictions than dimensional tiering because a universe across series is usually going to be the same, while a dimension varies too much.

Also higher dimensions in fiction don't always translate to something tangible. Like, one of their characters they have at 1A tier, Ruphas Mafahl can only debatably even affect what we'd consider multiversal+. But because the dimensions are there, they think they're able to take on Lucifer Morningstar and shit :skully

But yeah I don't really get why they're so lax about it, other than users just wanting their pet series to win more fights? I've seen the quotes for 'outerversal' Emperor of Mankind and other 40K fans have ripped them apart because apparently in context the statements are deliberately unreliable (or so I've heard anyways). I'd be interested to learn more about Ynnead though.
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Just look at To Aru and the sheer absurd headaches that causes.
People are so quick to label that shit Infinite Universes, Multiverses, etc. All because Kamachi has no fucking idea on how to actually word shit properly and has the Kinoko Nasu problem(i.e. Creating new words for the sake of it) but unlike him, Kamachi doesn't actually go down to brass tacks and EXPLAIN WHAT THE TERM MEANS.

Look at the Phases shit for example: You have people claiming hard it is another Universe or even a Multiverse despite the fucker saying there is only one universe and it definitely isn't another timeline because that doesn't explain the Magic Gods plan in the first place. He tries to go with "They can be definite or infinite in length" and it's like, then what the hell is it? Another Dimension? Then what makes it so freaking special? And so on and so forth.
Atleast with Nasu, he usually goes out of his way to eventually explain the term entirely and what it means(We have seen bits of what Texture means in the Nasuverse but he ultimately goes out of his way(as well as other authors) to actually explain what it means later on or leaves enough hints that it's simple to guess later). It's just usually a pain in the ass when he makes a new term out of nowhere since people will have to figure out what it means atm.
 
Xhominid The Fool said:
Just look at To Aru and the sheer absurd headaches that causes.
People are so quick to label that shit Infinite Universes, Multiverses, etc. All because Kamachi has no fucking idea on how to actually word shit properly and has the Kinoko Nasu problem(i.e. Creating new words for the sake of it) but unlike him, Kamachi doesn't actually go down to brass tacks and EXPLAIN WHAT THE TERM MEANS.

Look at the Phases shit for example: You have people claiming hard it is another Universe or even a Multiverse despite the fucker saying there is only one universe and it definitely isn't another timeline because that doesn't explain the Magic Gods plan in the first place. He tries to go with "They can be definite or infinite in length" and it's like, then what the hell is it? Another Dimension? Then what makes it so freaking special? And so on and so forth.
Atleast with Nasu, he usually goes out of his way to eventually explain the term entirely and what it means(We have seen bits of what Texture means in the Nasuverse but he ultimately goes out of his way(as well as other authors) to actually explain what it means later on or leaves enough hints that it's simple to guess later). It's just usually a pain in the ass when he makes a new term out of nowhere since people will have to figure out what it means atm.
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oh speaking of the Magic Gods, VSB has them on the same level as characters like TOAA for this exact reason


which is not something even the biggest ToAru fan in the OBD would ever support lol
 
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Tengen and Gyutaro (Demon Slayer) vs Archer and Lancer (Fate Stay/Night)

It doesn't function like that in universe, but it does work like that for the context of a Vs Debate because we go off of feats and evidence. This is a textbook NLF. It can only suppress the healing that it has been shown to suppress. In fact, since this doesn't seem to get through, I'll ask...
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How many times does this lesson need to be taught?

It doesn't function like that in universe, but it does work like that for the context of a Vs Debate because we go off of feats and evidence. This is a textbook NLF. It can only suppress the healing that it has been shown to suppress.

In fact, since this doesn't seem to get through, I'll ask this: provide me an explicit citation showing Gae Bolg stopping regeneration on the level of Gyutaro's. If you can't, concede that it has no feats that allows it to stop regeneration of that magnitude.
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This person literally has no fucking clue of what they are on about. Dude has literally shown them the scene AND the passage of Kotomine's attack on Kiritsugu which destroyed his insides entirely and turned them into Mush and Avalon(which was inside of him, by the way) healed all of that in seconds. Gae Bolg explicitly required Avalon to take HOURS to fix up the damn wound that Heroic Spirits would have normally healed from in seconds(See Karna literally getting skewered from the inside by Vlad III and it barely hindered him):



But nah, Gyutaro's healing is somehow beyond Gae Bolg's capacity, let alone Servant healing capacity(And FYI, Karna's Armor does NOT work on attacks that attack him from within, that's his own base durability and healing doing the work.

It cares because this is a forum that operates on feats and evidence. Provide a citation of Gae Bolg stopping regeneration as fast as Gyutaro's or concede that there is no evidence that Gae Bolg can stop Gyutaro from healing.
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>People have stated it literally can stop healing that comes from Rewinding Time(way stronger than typical regeneration) and Avalon requires hours to fix a wound that took seconds to fix a truly fatal blow)
>Somehow not enough evidence.

Bruh...

He thrust from that distance, but the spear still had to close the distance and hit Saber in order to inflict a wound. It's just that the hit is guaranteed.
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He "thrusted" and yet was still nowhere near her in the actual distance when he used Gae Bolg on her in the Anime. That's the point he's making. We literally see it happen, stop being obtuse.


The anime has Tanjiro explicitly state that the slashes are created at the same speed as the drum. And Tanjiro never states that he has to read or predict where the hit is.

Tengen using sound is just the anime thing of people being able to talk and hear faster than sound somehow, because Tanjiro already has feats in the supersonic range from statuing temari balls moving fast enough to blow someone's head off in one shot.
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Wow, so he's Mach against characters that are Mach 100+(Low balling it to it's lowest terms as even Shiki Ryougi is Mach 23-24 due to dodging a pointblank C4 Car Bomb)... and none of the Hashira nor the Upper Six show any massive speed difference later on(and don't even bring up Akaza considering Tanjirou is able to still gore him with his sword despite fleeing for his life after the battle).

F/Z feats aren't allowed.
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What the fuck is even the point? We've seen how ridiculous Avalon is from Saber healing up from the damage of Enuma Elish, aka the Attack that even at it's weakest state devastate the entirety of Ryudou Temple and annihilated an Arm formed from the Holy Grail from the sheer wind pressure? And Gilgamesh was explicitly had it at a higher setting.
 
Another issue with the dimensional tiering shit is they actually end up massively underrating some characters with it
For example I skimmed this boring isekai nigga's profile
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Anos_Voldigoad
And the cosmology blog they have for him
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...kuin_no_Futekigousha:_Terminology_&_Cosmology
He's actually pretty deep into megaversal
But because his series doesn't seem to operate based on dimensions they capped him at much lower

And this is for a character I think is stupid as fuck and would never have any interest hyping up :skully
 
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