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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 1: OBD 2027 prologue edition
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Fucking hilarious how when the power-scaling IS actually shaky (ie between Dordonni and Arroneirro), these idiots do it without a second thought.
"Oh all Rukia could do was momentarily restrain him and MAYBE harm him with a Kido Combo" which is A LOT more than she should be able to do, given she's a mid-high Lieutenant level fighter at best, taking on a Captain level fighter whose SUPPOSED to be stronger than the Privarron and Base Yammy.
Meanwhile Dordonni took Shikai Ichigo (who was already fighting CAPTAINS two arcs ago), no-sold the shit out of him and generally made him look like an utter chump.
But of course scaling Harribel to R1 Ulquiorra is COMPLETELY out of the question, despite her being explicitly his superior in Rank AND not having a reason NOT to scale her to him (unlike Arroneirro).
Fucking hilarious how when the power-scaling IS actually shaky (ie between Dordonni and Arroneirro), these idiots do it without a second thought.
"Oh all Rukia could do was momentarily restrain him and MAYBE harm him with a Kido Combo" which is A LOT more than she should be able to do, given she's a mid-high Lieutenant level fighter at best, taking on a Captain level fighter whose SUPPOSED to be stronger than the Privarron and Base Yammy.
Meanwhile Dordonni took Shikai Ichigo (who was already fighting CAPTAINS two arcs ago), no-sold the shit out of him and generally made him look like an utter chump.
But of course scaling Harribel to R1 Ulquiorra is COMPLETELY out of the question, despite her being explicitly his superior in Rank AND not having a reason NOT to scale her to him (unlike Arroneirro).
dimensional tiering was a mistake
But of course scaling Harribel to R1 Ulquiorra is COMPLETELY out of the question, despite her being explicitly his superior in Rank AND not having a reason NOT to scale her to him (unlike Arroneirro).
They always do Harribel like this for some absurd reason. They think that somehow, Ulquirroa is above her completely and even Barragan at times because Segunda Epata exists despite the fact that SE is ultimately an unknown of an unknown of how much it truly powers up Ulquirroa compared to Harribel's and Barragan's Ressurcion.
"Oh all Rukia could do was momentarily restrain him and MAYBE harm him with a Kido Combo" which is A LOT more than she should be able to do, given she's a mid-high Lieutenant level fighter at best, taking on a Captain level fighter whose SUPPOSED to be stronger than the Privarron and Base Yammy.
Meanwhile Dordonni took Shikai Ichigo (who was already fighting CAPTAINS two arcs ago), no-sold the shit out of him and generally made him look like an utter chump.
Remember that Ichigo survived a good bit against Byakuya's Zanpaktou in Shikai and even before that, fought against Kenpachi Zaraki to the point of a draw(Though Kenpachi handed him the win).
And hilariously enough, Ichigo did fine in Bankai against Dordonni, the latter explicitly wanted Ichigo to go full power against him and aimed at NEL to do it. Boy later oneshotted him at full power so yeah, it was weird in that Ichigo could have defeated him in Bankai alone if he didn't try to basically impress himself.
It was always a mistake as Dimensions doesn't even work the way they want to do it in VS. topics as one major problem with Dimensions comes off like this:
Dimension - Wikipedia
How do you define a Dimensional Barrier, an attack that goes through Dimensions, how do you legit explain stuff like this? And even then, how does the author themselves use it?
By putting in these catch all terms, you completely ruin the entire thing and poison it to an excess without realizing how the authors themselves use it to describe what's happening. This is VSW's problem in a nutshell.
Basically, if you are trying to use Dimensions in a real sense, all you would show is that you can destroy Concepts... which wouldn't equal Universal in any means. Because Space and Time count as their own Dimensions in the mathematical sense of the concept of Dimensions, which just points out how ridiculous it is to use it in these circumstances.
Most dimensional abilities in fiction are basically just magic tbh
Well Segunda Etapa is another discussion. I'm focusing more on them being unwilling to scale even R1 Ulquiorra's feats to Harribel, despite her obviously being superior.
But yeah, SE gets handed way too much credit for just "it make big boom" and his CO matching H2's Cero (which ultimately killed him so it's really not as impressive as it seems, if anything it only emphasizes how much of a glass cannon he is). Ignoring of course that Espada 1 - 3 only fail to nuke Fake Karakura Town because the plot required them not to. Realistically basically any big attack should have nuked the town off the map.
Exactly my point, Rukia achieving ANYTHING against someone supposedly stronger than the guy who stomped Shikai Ichigo, is just not happening.
There's no way to make Arroneirro look good here. Even if you say he could have killed her at any time (which no one's doubting) he still massively under-performs for the level he's supposed to be at.
Which is exactly why I said Bankai would be more than enough for Arroneirro in that thread.
Thankfully no one seems to dispute that much...except for Sables who thinks it would be an even fight and that Gran Ray Cero could potentially give Arroneirro a win.
ha Basically, that's why it's a very pointless thing to use, all things considered.
The strength of a Dimensional Barrier or an attack ultimately depends on the author themselves and how they designate the attack, that's it.
As I mentioned before, even Nasu and Co. went on the Dimensional Barriers crap which is why we have Infinitely Multiversal Gilgamesh... this is despite the fact that Dimensional Barriers in the Nasuverse are just code for "Stupidly strong barriers that requires Solar System+ Power to destroy".
Well yeah but the 2nd part is hilarious because again, that happens to Fiction in general. Harribel, Starrk and Barragan could have effortlessly destroyed Karakura Town if they wanted but chose not to. Gin's Bankai could do the same thing just by him literally sweeping his sword around at max length.
Even Final Arc Ichigo gets this despite being well beyond his Mugetsu form yet he barely does any of the sheer scale attacks he does against Aizen back then.
Basically. He fucked around and Rukia got a lucky ass headshot in and was basically dead woman walking after that. Even Kubo realized Rukia was way over her head and just got a lucky ass win.
Which is exactly why I said Bankai would be more than enough for Arroneirro in that thread.
Thankfully no one seems to dispute that much...except for Sables who thinks it would be an even fight and that Gran Ray Cero could potentially give Arroneirro a win.ha
Of course Sables would... this ignores Ichigo was able to block one from GRIMMJOW, yet somehow it will be Aareneirro that would kill Ichigo with it? Unreal.
I was going to say VSB's dimensional tiering doesn't matter because no one actually takes it seriously
but quora and probably CV seem to disagree
Like you aren't wrong in that only 2 places really use it but the issue is that considering the size and scope of VSB, it can easily get dumbasses trying to use it seriously before they get virtually shut down by everyone else.
honestly, there are cases where it probably could be valid but vsb's issue is aside from its already fucked up interpretation, is trying to use it as a system every fiction fits
when next to no fiction uses dimensions the same
it's almost like universes are nearly always the same across fiction and make a better baseline to use who would've thought
i see their tier lists used a lot on social media now lol vsb is sadly the way of the future
That's pretty much what I said but I ultimately agree regardless. Dimensions are fucking pointless to use because not every series even remotely uses them the same way, not even close.
I don't get how they came to the conclusion that it's the best way to look at all of fiction
their pet series don't even fit their own definition of it either
shinza banshou apparently has 24 dimensions and DC only has 6, but they still have both as top tier
their pet series don't even fit their own definition of it either
shinza banshou apparently has 24 dimensions and DC only has 6, but they still have both as top tier
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