Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 3: Laugh Hard with a Vengence

[One and Only]

don't think Ive ever seen anything that suggest new world could fully win even with everything working together. Which considering the person with one of the most powerful talents and access to player gear got spanked by a guardian wearing their off-duty gear/secondary equipment is hardly shocking

This seems like a far cry from taking down the combined might of the new world though.

Like imagine if only all the dragon lords team up. I think if you take world items out of the equation they would be able to take out most Guardians one at a time or maybe two at a time.

 

[Randomdude]

This seems like a far cry from taking down the combined might of the new world though.

Like imagine if only all the dragon lords team up. I think if you take world items out of the equation they would be able to take out most Guardians one at a time or maybe two at a time.

Well yeah if you remove their protection from wild magic and leave the dragon lords their wild magic trump cards they might. (i say might because the dragon lords aren't all the same strength/power. Not all of them have dedicated their existence to fighting off players/creating wild magic to fight them. More dragon lords are disinclined to work together as a matter of course, dragons are as general rule prideful assholes)

Even the deepness darkness dragon lord by word of god could be beaten by simply mobilizing extra guardians, or sending gargantua or shalltear as she's his nemesis.

It's important to remember the dragon lords already lost the war with players, there numbers reduced to a handful and their ability to perma kill players....Only cure elim has that ability from what we know, possibly deep dragon lord, maybe pdl?, and with world items they literally can't stop nazarick denizens from being revived.

Plus the gaurdians all go around with a group of level ninety vassals as a matter of security.

I bring up zesshi because she's strong enough the slaine theocracy was terrified to move her for fear pdl would burn their nation to ash. She is that big a deal yet one guardian crushed her with ease. The single strongest talent holder and her father were both useless.

 

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@Blade

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Quetzalcoatl (FGO) vs Platinum Sperm (OPM)

As Chaldea begins their plan to defeat Gorgon, instead of Kingu attacking Quetzalcoatl, Platinum Sperm attacks her instead. How will this confrontation go? Combatants: >Quetzalcoatl at her peak >Platinum Sperm at his peak [If Quetzalcoatl stomps, Sperm gets help from Flashy Flash] [If Platinum...

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>Platinum Sperm too fast, he solos everyone
"Literally doesn't have the DC nor ways to bypass her hax and isn't even faster than her at the end of the day"

SB puts WAY too much into speed when he has nothing else to defeat her with in any fashion.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

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>Grand Servants get fodderized
Get the fuck out of here with this blatant fucking bullshit. Even without Quirinus, everyone else in the Grands would absolutely beat the brakes off of the Gotei 13 worse than the Sternritter did.
Grands scale way past the Servants that can destroy Continents and even destroy Planets.

Cinder fall (rwby) vs Medea (fsn)

I know that said beams are A rank spells with each having 3 times the amount of energy Shirou possesses and would take an ordinary mage a minute to cast. I know that a single one can create a moderately sized crater and she can rapidly unleash a lot of them but I'm pretty sure thats because she...

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know that said beams are A rank spells with each having 3 times the amount of energy Shirou possesses and would take an ordinary mage a minute to cast.

I know that a single one can create a moderately sized crater and she can rapidly unleash a lot of them but I'm pretty sure thats because she already had a large amount of magical energy stored.

Edit: I could definitely see her most powerful version one shot Cinder but I'm pretty sure that takes a ton of energy which she gets from the Leyline

Then again when Zouken Hijacks her corpse she's able to unleash several dozen at once, make her own blood explode and then create a massive fireball (granted it seem to deteriorate her already rotting corpse even faster and we never saw what'd it do because of Dark Sakura).

FWI for Cinder's Fire Blast this is the after effect of said blast. I don't know if it matters but she also has that Magma Cannon granted she only ever used it once

I'm not sure why he thinks those attacks Cinder does is in any way impressive... they aren't.
We have seen the same EMIYA weakened be able to take attacks from GoB and not die(And they scale to Eric Bloodaxe throwing his axe with enough force to easily blow through a Mountain and even then cause trouble for Servants far stronger than him to deflect) and Medea's Rain of Light can kill him.
The only reason she needed the Leyline and hundreds of other people was due to Kuzuki having no Magical Circuits,

Medea would cream her ass 10/10.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Like, I want people to realize how ridiculous Gate of Babylon is because I can't do a better job than this over how strong it is:

These are Bel-Lahmu, Tiamat's explicit spawn that can even give trouble to Grand Servant Tier beings(King Hassan and Merlin) getting destroyed by GoB from Gilgamesh(though it's in the Anime version King Hassan has issues with them and Merlin has to explicitly get serious in dealing with them). These Bel-Lahmu are as strong as Demon God Pillars, beings that can change the laws of Reality with their Magecraft for long periods of time(Shinjuku), lift an Country Sized Island thousands of feet in their air while fighting you(Agartha), can peer through the multiverse through someone's soul(SE.RA.PH) and even create a portal to bring an Outer God to the Planet through their own machinations(Salem).

And then there's Tiamat:

In her strongest form where only attacks equivalent to A+++ can even register on her actually reacts to the GoB Barrage and falls off the cliff she's climbing.

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Self-Modification: EX

Tiamat can remake her Saint Graph by utilizing the black Sea of Life. From her usual Saint Graph status (Femme Fatale), she can grow into a draconic body that exceeds a height of 60 meters. Tiamat, who grew into a draconic body, can cancel attacks that are Rank A++ or below.

Enkidu can fight against Gilgamesh to the point he can go all out without issue and Kingu is a stronger Enkidu and Quetzalcoatl had no issues fighting Kingu and caused a weaker Tiamat(But no less BS) to feel pain and crack her horn through the sheer PRESSURE of her kick from her strongest attack.

Unless you put Cosmic Garou and Saitama at Star+, no one in OPM is defeating Quetzalcoatl.

 

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"beings as weak as the God Hand"

 

[GaRbS]

"Literally doesn't have the DC nor ways to bypass her hax and isn't even faster than her at the end of the day"

Quetzalcoatl doesn't have any durability feats good enough to say she wouldn't die from getting pummeled by Platinum Sperm. And what hax do you think she has that could defeat PS?

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Quetzalcoatl doesn't have any durability feats good enough to say she wouldn't die from getting pummeled by Platinum Sperm.

She literally took hits from Kingu like it was nothing, how the hell is that nothing when Enkidu was able to block an Excalibur attack from Richard and everything that happened with both Gilgamesh and Theia?
There's also her being able to lift the equivalent of the City of Uruk and toss it kilometers away.
That's millions of tons even at the lowest end considering how huge Uruk is and it's foundations at that.

And what hax do you think she has that could defeat PS?

Piedra Del Sol? Her becoming the Comet that literally destroyed the Age of the Dinosaurs? I feel you put too much emphasis on the flashiness of OPM and not actually understand that not all series need big booms to get why they are so strong.

 

[GaRbS]

She literally took hits from Kingu like it was nothing, how the hell is that nothing when Enkidu was able to block an Excalibur attack from Richard and everything that happened with both Gilgamesh and Theia?

Richard's Excalibur has no feats on Platinum Sperm's level. And what has happened with Theia?

Piedra Del Sol?

Those are just solar winds. It's a heat attack. One that is not powerful enough to injure PS.

Her becoming the Comet that literally destroyed the Age of the Dinosaurs? I feel you put too much emphasis on the flashiness of OPM and not actually understand that not all series need big booms to get why they are so strong.

This is also not hax and not something that Platinum Sperm would let himself be hit by.

There's also her being able to lift the equivalent of the City of Uruk and toss it kilometers away.
That's millions of tons even at the lowest end considering how huge Uruk is and it's foundations at that.

Yeah, and that's weaker than Platinum Sperm, who is stronger than the likes of Superalloy Darkshine, and Beedcake, who destroys a city from a handwave.

These are Bel-Lahmu, Tiamat's explicit spawn that can even give trouble to Grand Servant Tier beings(King Hassan and Merlin) getting destroyed by GoB from Gilgamesh(though it's in the Anime version King Hassan has issues with them and Merlin has to explicitly get serious in dealing with them). These Bel-Lahmu are as strong as Demon God Pillars, beings that can change the laws of Reality with their Magecraft for long periods of time(Shinjuku), lift an Country Sized Island thousands of feet in their air while fighting you(Agartha), can peer through the multiverse through someone's soul(SE.RA.PH) and even create a portal to bring an Outer God to the Planet through their own machinations(Salem).

Why are you scaling the Demon God Pillars lifting something with magecraft to the durability of the Bel-Lahmu?

 

[Blade]

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@Blade

the only multiversal dceu gonna has, is cavil's love for warhammer and warcraft

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Richard's Excalibur has no feats on Platinum Sperm's level. And what has happened with Theia?

Being able to wipe away Kingu's Age of Babylon which is equal to Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon... isn't a feat similar to Platinum Sperm? Again, you are putting "Big Flashy Feats" above simple scaling for little reason.
And there's Enkidu being able to stop Theia's Meteorite Attack which not only scattered across the Planet(including one wiping away 12% of the landmass of the Arctic), the US had to write off all of the collateral as 2 Asteroids smashing into each other.

Those are just solar winds. It's a heat attack. One that is not powerful enough to injure PS.

Do you know what Solar Winds are?

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The solar wind is a stream of charged particles released from the upper atmosphere of the Sun, called the corona. This plasma mostly consists of electrons, protons and alpha particles with kinetic energy between 0.5 and 10 keV. The composition of the solar wind plasma also includes a mixture of materials found in the solar plasma: trace amounts of heavy ions and atomic nuclei such as C, N, O, Ne, Mg, Si, S, and Fe. There are also rarer traces of some other nuclei and isotopes such as P, Ti, Cr, 54Fe and 56Fe, and 58Ni, 60Ni, and 62Ni.[2] Superposed with the solar-wind plasma is the interplanetary magnetic field.[3] The solar wind varies in density, temperature and speed over time and over solar latitude and longitude. Its particles can escape the Sun's gravity because of their high energy resulting from the high temperature of the corona, which in turn is a result of the coronal magnetic field. The boundary separating the corona from the solar wind is called the Alfvén surface.

And considering Piedra Del Sol is basically Quetzalcoatl being the 4th-5th Supreme Being of Aztec Myth and held the Sun in their hands, I think you are missing why everyone shat their pants when she was gonna use it(And wiping away Grail Mud, for the last time, isn't a substance equal to just normal mud.)

This is also not hax and not something that Platinum Sperm would let himself be hit by.

1. She's as fast as him so that doesn't matter.
2. Considering we actually find out through author sources that Meteor Magecraft ALSO screws with Casuality, he would be hit regardless.

Yeah, and that's weaker than Platinum Sperm, who is stronger than the likes of Superalloy Darkshine, and Beedcake, who destroys a city from a handwave.

Wow, you mean something Servants can easily do? Fergus fucking around with Caladbolg destroyed an entire town in Turas Realta and that was nothing compared to what we see in Agartha and later in that very series.
So again, your scaling capability... isn't looking too hot.

Why are you scaling the Demon God Pillars lifting something with magecraft to the durability of the Bel-Lahmu?

They literally have that same level of Magical Energy? Or did you forget how Nasuverse Mechanics work?

 

[GaRbS]

Being able to wipe away Kingu's Age of Babylon which is equal to Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon... isn't a feat similar to Platinum Sperm? Again, you are putting "Big Flashy Feats" above simple scaling for little reason.
And there's Enkidu being able to stop Theia's Meteorite Attack which not only scattered across the Planet(including one wiping away 12% of the landmass of the Arctic), the US had to write off all of the collateral as 2 Asteroids smashing into each other.

Kingu did not use Age of Babylon to the extent that Enkidu did in FSF so I don't know where you're getting the scaling from.
And how big is 12% of the Arctic's landmass?

Do you know what Solar Winds are?

Solar wind - Wikipedia

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Yeah, and Quetzalcoatl's solar winds are not as strong as those solar winds. They are stated to be able to instantly burn Uruk to cinders, that's about it.

Quetzalcoatl	I will be the one to remove that black mud... No, the Chaos Tide.
Quetzalcoatl	I can't do an entire ocean's worth, but my Noble Phantasm is enough to clear a perimeter around Tiamat once she gets ashore.
Quetzalcoatl	I will use my Sun's Pilgrimage: Piedra del Sol to vaporize the mud right out from under her, yes!

Ishtar	Eep! She really is the principal deity of South America! That's one heck of a trump card she's got!
Ishtar	If she'd used this on Uruk, it would've burned to cinders in a

1. She's as fast as him so that doesn't matter.

Proof that she is?

2. Considering we actually find out through author sources that Meteor Magecraft ALSO screws with Casuality, he would be hit regardless.

Quetzalcoatl's Xiuhcoatl isn't meteor magecraft.

Wow, you mean something Servants can easily do? Fergus fucking around with Caladbolg destroyed an entire town in Turas Realta and that was nothing compared to what we see in Agartha and later in that very series.
So again, your scaling capability... isn't looking too hot.

Post Fergus' feat then.

They literally have that same level of Magical Energy? Or did you forget how Nasuverse Mechanics work?

There's no reason to scale lifting an island with magecraft to durability, no. Medea doesn't get durability scaled to Heracles just because she has more magical energy than him. Magical energy doesn't work like Dragon Ball's ki, BLEACH's spiritual energy, or One Piece's Haki.

We have shit like Goetia's Saint Graph having the greatest magical energy in the setting so far and him getting his arm cut off by regular Servants.

 

[Paxton]

"Goetia getting his arm cut off by regular Servants"

Now I'm no Fate expert, but I have the sneaking suspicion there's some context being ignored here.

Like Goetia being severely weakened by Solomon for one.

 

[GaRbS]

Now I'm no Fate expert, but I have the sneaking suspicion there's some context being ignored here.

Like Goetia being severely weakened by Solomon for one.

Nein, Solomon shows up after that

 

[Adamant soul]

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I love how folks like Sables like to treat the pre-cog of Haschwalth's Almighty as if it makes him pretty much untouchable and he'll somehow avoid everything Yamamoto does, just because he knows it's coming?

As if South and North wouldn't be a massive pain in the ass, as he's forced to avoid hordes of undead and the constant threat of a high AOE flame which will ERASE him on the spot WHEN it hits, not IF. ha

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Kingu did not use Age of Babylon to the extent that Enkidu did in FSF so I don't know where you're getting the scaling from.
And how big is 12% of the Arctic's landmass?

Him not using it to the same extent as Enkidu doesn't stop the fact that he's a stronger Enkidu at the end of the day.
And I'm not a pixel scaler or anything like that, all I can give you is the passage:

But it was the second large fragment that caused the biggest worldwide impact.
The fragment flew north preserving all of its tremendous magical energy, making the impact of its fall to physically obliterate its surroundings.
It didn't cause visible geographical changes, but its mental shock on humanity was large.
As the observation satellites suddenly showed that

12% of the Arctic ice caps vanished from one footage clip to the next.

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Yeah, and Quetzalcoatl's solar winds are not as strong as those solar winds. They are stated to be able to instantly burn Uruk to cinders, that's about it.

Um dude, I know you tend to forget we have this section in the OBD... but we have a section on the Primordial Sea/Grail Mud you tend to forget:

Nasuverse Feat - Destruction of Primordial Sea/Chaos Tide/Grail Mud

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Because you keep missing the context, the point is that to destroy it AT ALL, you would need something on the level of a baseline AAS to get rid of it, something Ushiwakamaru Alter outright stated and Quetzalcoatl stated she DID:


And as a casual reminder, Nero's "Chaos" required the equivalent of blowing up a Continent to get rid of his extremely small amount by comparison:

So no, I don't buy that somehow a God's Solar Winds are weaker than The Age of Man's Solar Winds at that. That doesn't even make sense for Nasuverse logic.

Proof that she is?

Do I have to point out everyone whose capable of dodging light based attacks? From Surtr Sigurd to Dioscuri to GalahadMash? Odysseus and Circe literally dance around auto firing lasers for fuck sake.

Quetzalcoatl's Xiuhcoatl isn't meteor magecraft.

She's a God and has an Authority... I'm pretty sure that becoming the very concept means she can by default.

Post Fergus' feat then.

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That's just the first use, the later use we get from it would have destabilized and destroy the entire Singularity


and we already seen Agartha in both forms of him destroying Laputa with Caladbolg so that's pointless to bring up.

There's no reason to scale lifting an island with magecraft to durability, no. Medea doesn't get durability scaled to Heracles just because she has more magical energy than him. Magical energy doesn't work like Dragon Ball's ki, BLEACH's spiritual energy, or One Piece's Haki.

We have shit like Goetia's Saint Graph having the greatest magical energy in the setting so far and him getting his arm cut off by regular Servants.

So having the same Magical Scale and Power =/= having the durability to scale otherwise?
Again, I feel that you are just saying this just to make yourself look better.

And Goetia getting his arm cut off by "Servants"(Hilarious you didn't specify which... and that's Rama, someone on the same level as Karna and Arjuna in his weakest class) isn't Goetia's main issue when he cannot die like any of the other DGP's due to how they are linked up(And let's ignore him boxing with Nightingale, who can literally kick Spriggans heads clean off despite them being the size of skyscrapers)

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Nein, Solomon shows up after that

I still don't see how that matters considering again, Goetia's Durability was never his strongest attribute for pete sake...
That really doesn't help your point no more than people trying that for Majin Buu.

 

[Astaro]

Majin Buu isn’t a good example.

He can make himself just as tough as anyone at his level or make himself malleable enough for bullets to pass through him.

 

[Paxton]

Doesn't Goetia literally run hands with Quetz on some Jojo barrage type shit or is that another Servant I'm thinking of?