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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 3: Laugh Hard with a Vengence

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And another one
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Raiden Shogun (Genshin Impact) vs Minamoto no Raikou (Fate)

That's because during the events we saw in the game, nothing was worth a battle-type Archon going all out so far. Their "feat" are only known via history book and the remnant of their old battlefields. Even then, due to terrain and the world in general being shrunk down massively (two countries...
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I'll answer it here:
Raikou obliterates the fuck out of Raiden Shogun.
Going away from the speed of Servants(Lightspeed, FTL Reactions) and focusing purely on what Raikou has, she:
- Has Clairvoyance on the level that in Kintoki's words, basically oversees the entire area like a room she's overlooking. This is even better than Suzuka's outside of her 3rd Noble Phantasm.

- Absurd Swordsmanship skills. Both times, Raikou has intercepted Musashi's attacks in Shimousa and despite Raikou downplaying it both times, Musashi always states that shit is NOT as easy as Raikou states it was.

- DC well beyond Raiden Shogun. The latter can be stated to be Mountain and could potentially be put towards Island. Raikou? Is virtually Planetary due to stacking up the Grail Mud damage levels the strongest Servants can hit due to being connected to Gozu-Tennou... who in the Nasuverse is connected to Indra, meaning she's basically on the level of Arjuna(And the series all but shows it in side materials, manga and Events).

- This is also not including her Noble Phantasm which she can spawn perfect duplicates of herself as a "homage" to Gozu-Tennoh or the fact she can go Ushi-Gozen for an absolute boost of power and connect to his Authority.
 
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God Emperor of mankind (40k) vs ORT (FGO

God Emperor of mankind Vs ORT (FGO) Location. Terra 31k Characters in character. Round 1. 31k Round 2. Current book events.
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You know ... ORT is even already tired of it.
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That same guy made the Nagash and Szarekh vs Ainz (individually) threads too, along with quite a few other unfair threads. I have a feeling he just thought “Oh cool, strong stuff” and posted the threads not knowing much about what he’s posting
 
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God Emperor of mankind (40k) vs ORT (FGO

God Emperor of mankind Vs ORT (FGO) Location. Terra 31k Characters in character. Round 1. 31k Round 2. Current book events.
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You know ... ORT is even already tired of it.
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You seen how many ORT threads they made while simultaneously not even understanding how ORT works nor caring how ORT works and downplaying him ANYWAY.

I expect ORT won't even be Planet level in SB by the end of this week and he'll be in the never-ending limbo of being "Whatever SB wants him to be in to have him lose to every other character" schtick like they do with the rest of the series.
 
I really don't understand them. ORT literally during the story ate the Tree containing the Galaxy and after that turned all plant life forms into Trees.

Are they really triggered by the word "conceptual"?

I don't understand the logic. During Lostbelt 7, Da Vinci literally said that Chaldeas, being a concept copy of the World, had the same durability. That is, for its destruction, Chaldeas requires an attack that could destroy the world.

But no, the words "conceptual galaxy" and "conceptual universe" are firmly planted in their heads and nothing can drive them out of there.
 
To be brutally honest, even a lot people who claim they understand how ORT work are pretty full of shit.

Why ? Because of his assimilation abilities are not something that produce a definite effect. It pretty much depends what it eats and how it internalizes said abilities.

So, at the end of the day, if it can't win with its other abilities, you're stuck pissing in the wind trying to figure out what kind of abilities it will get if it eats something .

Obviously , it is something that can become wank and NLF central really quick.
 
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I really don't understand them. ORT literally during the story ate the Tree containing the Galaxy and after that turned all plant life forms into Trees.

Are they really triggered by the word "conceptual"?

I don't understand the logic. During Lostbelt 7, Da Vinci literally said that Chaldeas, being a concept copy of the World, had the same durability. That is, for its destruction, Chaldeas requires an attack that could destroy the world.

But no, the words "conceptual galaxy" and "conceptual universe" are firmly planted in their heads and nothing can drive them out of there.
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As Type-Rey stated, ORT is... a problem in the sense that alot of people don't know how he works because yeah, translations for LB7 are still new and all over the place(Even for Beast's Lair which is why I tend to wait till the official localization and when usually the fan-translations actually get honest) and it tends to create problems.

It's why I tend to avoid the ORT assimilation abilities and instead focus on what he obviously has and what has been done with it.
It doesn't help Lostbelt 7 translations has had people "crack the code" and the Trees of Emptiness don't house genuine Galaxies... despite housing Galaxy equivalents(Which has Gamma Rays, screw with Space Time due to the sheer shit all in one place, etc.) and use that to downplay everything about it.
So you end up with people in SB tending to go full... stupid in denying anything that ORT has done outside of the assimilation powers and more focusing on his worst aspects("Dying" due to it crash landing on Earth, it choosing to not fly at "Interstellar" speeds, etc.).

It doesn't help that even Nasuverse Planets... are bullshit(It's why we tend to have Servants at the Planetary grade be Large Planetary+ and if you want to know why, see here https://onelastforum.com/ubs/nasuverse-feat-destruction-of-primordial-sea-chaos-tide-grail-mud.24/) and you have people like Siriel dead ass lie about why Servants can't destroy the Planet and instead go "Servants can't destroy Planets" when you then have Hektor and Mandricardo deflect an Anti-Planet NP and Super Orion can blow through one with the Aegis Eclipse setup.
 
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I really don't understand them. ORT literally during the story ate the Tree containing the Galaxy and after that turned all plant life forms into Trees.

Are they really triggered by the word "conceptual"?

I don't understand the logic. During Lostbelt 7, Da Vinci literally said that Chaldeas, being a concept copy of the World, had the same durability. That is, for its destruction, Chaldeas requires an attack that could destroy the world.

But no, the words "conceptual galaxy" and "conceptual universe" are firmly planted in their heads and nothing can drive them out of there.
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Won't get into SB's downplay cause that's pointless.

However, somehow acting as the conceptual stuff is unequivocally the same as the real stuff is a simplistic take.

First of all, you can't apply that across the board for obvious reasons.

Second of all, FGO itself beats you over the head with the fact that conceptual shit by its very nature will open itself to being especially vulnerable to other conceptual stuff.

Hell, Kama's very downfall was brought on by a series of conveniences that conveniently happened because her whole conceptual schtick had conceptual weaknesses that could be abused.

Now try to affect the real universe in the same way and see how well that works.

It's one of the main reasons as to why we don't have any character at "Universe Level" cause it's just not the same thing.

They may be similar in all aspects ,similar just in scale, just in formation, just in function, just in mechanics , a combination of some of them...etc.

There are a lot of possibilities and you have to look at them one at a time.
 
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No arguments or threads stick out yet, so just a reminder that Indiana Jones Shiva is way stronger and cooler than Record of Ragnarok Shiva.
Indiana Jones: And it had three lines painted across it? The lines represent the three levels of the universe. I've seen stones like the one you lost.
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Indiana examined the little nook. It was empty, but an indentation at its base indicated the conical shape of the stone that had once lain there. The shape was familiar to him. "The stone, was it very smooth?"
"Yes," nodded the shaman.
"It was from the Sacred River?"
"Yes. Brought here long ago, before my father's father." With three lines across it. Indy could see it in his mind.
"Yes, that is right."
"Repesenting the three levels of the universe, "Indy went on; the illusion of all worldy matter, the reality of transcendental spirit, the oneness of all space, time, and substance. It was potent mythology; it vaunted potent talismans. "I've seen stones like the one you lost. But why would the Maharajah take this Sacred Stone from here?"
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Hindus believe the universe was birthed by creator by Brahma, maintained by Vishnu, god of preservation, and eventually destroyed by Shiva, god of destruction, only to begin again.
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Mola Ram: The British in India will be slaughtered. Then we will over run the Moslems and force their "Allah" to bow to Kali. And then the Hebrew God will fall and finally the Christian God will be cast down and forgotten. Soon Kali Ma will rule the world!"
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FORTUNE AND GLORY: Writers of Doom! Quint interviews Willard Huyck and Gloria Katz!

Ain't It Cool News wraps up its weeklong series Fortune & Glory, celebrating the 30th Anniversary of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, with this new in-depth interview with the film's screenwriters.
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Quint: When you consider the movie within the context of the series it's really fascinating. The MacGuffin in Raiders is all about the power of a vengeful God. That's the ark's power. Yet in Temple of Doom, if Mola Ram isn't full of shit when he's giving his big speech, then having all the Sankara Stones together would let Kali come in and wipe out all the other Gods.

Willard Huyck: You're right. It's a predictive kind of thing. Oh my God, if they get it you'd have a lot of crazy Hindus!
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