Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4: Outskirts Ningen Dome - Laughing edition

[Paxton]

The Ministry's expert on Muggles didn't even know how a rubber duck worked.

Also this "max compitence" only seems to be used for the Wizarding World. I've rarely seen other series where they debate a series to be way more compitent than it is.

worm

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Harry Potter vs Nasuverse

Wodime can only do this in the Age of the Gods when humanity still viewed stars as mystical divine objects rather than just big balls of fire. If this was only a wizard Vs magus fight, it would be much fairer than you might think. Most magi in the Nasuverse are honestly quite weak. Waver is...

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Wodime can only do this in the Age of the Gods when humanity still viewed stars as mystical divine objects rather than just big balls of fire.

Again, Wodime isn't weakened by not having Animus Animusphere, he literally has access to other Magecraft, holy shit. How you think he was seen as the next Heir to his family above his father otherwise? He isn't part of the Animusphere Family Clan guys, remember?

If this was only a wizard Vs magus fight, it would be much fairer than you might think. Most magi in the Nasuverse are honestly quite weak. Waver is the poster child of course, any random Hogwarts graduate could probably beat him with ease.

Waver. Is. Not. The. Average. Magus! This is like saying Ritsuka Fujimura is the average Magus. Not even Shirou Emiya is an Average Magus, an actual average Magus is who you see in the Clock Tower, those are average Magus and they are well beyond the typical Harry Potter Mage.
This also tends to be hilarious as Waver, gimped as he is, can still crack skulls with his Reinforcement and can deal with lower level Demonic Beasts with difficulty, something well past any Harry Potter Wizard can manage as again:
To even be in the Clock Tower is literally accepting being ready to die as Mages can and will try to kill you for any and every reason if you give them one.

The powerful magi we’ve seen like Rin and Luvia are explicitly noted to be exceptional and beyond their peers. Remember when they were fighting and destroying the room they were in? There were a bunch of other magi watching, and I bet none of them could replicate that kind of feat by themselves.

Keyword there is Peers. That doesn't mean they are superior to Kayneth/Tokiomi/Old Man Zouken at that point, it just means in comparison to people in their age group, they are very clearly superior.
What the fuck is with people trying to wank/downplay for Harry Fucking Potter?! The series where Wizards don't even train to actually fight(despite having classes on how to fight) and don't even fight properly at that, let alone defend themselves. It's like people think Aurors are exceptional Wizards when in truth, they are the only decently competent Wizards around.

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

worm

Oh yeah! That too. Not helped by Wildblow wanking his own series.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Harry Potter vs Nasuverse

Yea, and the real heavy hitters like Bazett, or Latio Crudelis Hiram the bone-mage from Altas mentioned last chapter, are very much the exceptions. There's only 30 seal designation enforces world wide, Latio was involved vs Waver because she had high combat capability for a main-family heir...

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Yea, and the real heavy hitters like Bazett, or Latio Crudelis Hiram the bone-mage from Altas mentioned last chapter, are very much the exceptions. There's only 30 seal designation enforces world wide,

What the fuck does that have to do with overall powerful Mages?!

Mage's Association

The Mage's Association (魔術協会, Majutsu Kyōkai?) is an international, self-preservative and self-defense organization formed by Magi for the purpose of controlling, concealing, and developing Magecraft. It is said to transcend nationality and genre of Magecraft, but that is in name only.[1] After...

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Genuine Sealing Designations are extremely rare, and those who pursue them, Enforcers, will be lucky to pursue even one in an entire decade.[18] Normally limited to those of greater magical pedigree, Norikata Emiya, the fourth head of the Emiya family, is noted to be a genius who rose to the rank of receiving a Designation despite being of a shallow generation.[19]

Huh, it's like using a fucking number of Designation Enforcers is fucking stupid when you realize that Sealing Designations is not only not even something the Association just slaps on people, but it being completely genuine is another can of worms.
No shit they will only need 30 if there's barely any real Sealing Designations given that aren't runners.

Latio was involved vs Waver because she had high combat capability for a main-family heir without weapons and there's only 6 main families at Atlas, who're the equivalent of the 12 Clock Tower lords who themselves aren't all combat badasses, etc..

Yeah, just ignore even those "non combat badasses" like Goredolf Musik is capable of fighting multiple monsters that are trying to kill him with only the shit he has on him in the Ooku Event... or his father Gordes that actually was able to kill Sieg The Homonculus who was a stronger than average Homonculus also trying to kill him with Magecraft in one punch on accident(Anime wise, LN just had him beat him to death)...

I dunno the total world population of mages, but I'd suspect there's fairly low double-digit badasses like that, and maybe hundreds who could fight at Rin and Luvia level (and only that because they're still young).

Let's forget the True Wandering Sea, the Atlas Institute Mages and their Mystic Codes and literal Planet destroying Weapons or the True Magic Users and actual Sealing Designation Mages who would more than contribute their weight in gold or forget the Elite Mages guarding some of the prized Lords and/or otherwise...

Seriously, what the fuck?!
EDIT: Seriously, they aren't even bringing up the Dead Apostles for fucks sake

 

[Proto234]

Harry Potter vs Nasuverse

Yea, and the real heavy hitters like Bazett, or Latio Crudelis Hiram the bone-mage from Altas mentioned last chapter, are very much the exceptions. There's only 30 seal designation enforces world wide, Latio was involved vs Waver because she had high combat capability for a main-family heir...

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What the fuck does that have to do with overall powerful Mages?!

Mage's Association

The Mage's Association (魔術協会, Majutsu Kyōkai?) is an international, self-preservative and self-defense organization formed by Magi for the purpose of controlling, concealing, and developing Magecraft. It is said to transcend nationality and genre of Magecraft, but that is in name only.[1] After...

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Huh, it's like using a fucking number of Designation Enforcers is fucking stupid when you realize that Sealing Designations is not only not even something the Association just slaps on people, but it being completely genuine is another can of worms.
No shit they will only need 30 if there's barely any real Sealing Designations given that aren't runners.



Yeah, just ignore even those "non combat badasses" like Goredolf Musik is capable of fighting multiple monsters that are trying to kill him with only the shit he has on him in the Ooku Event... or his father Gordes that actually was able to kill Sieg The Homonculus who was a stronger than average Homonculus also trying to kill him with Magecraft in one punch on accident(Anime wise, LN just had him beat him to death)...



Let's forget the True Wandering Sea, the Atlas Institute Mages and their Mystic Codes and literal Planet destroying Weapons or the True Magic Users and actual Sealing Designation Mages who would more than contribute their weight in gold or forget the Elite Mages guarding some of the prized Lords and/or otherwise...

Seriously, what the fuck?!
EDIT: Seriously, they aren't even bringing up the Dead Apostles for fucks sake

You don't need to bring them. One magi from Departement of Lore is more than enough considering their job and what they trained to fight against

 

[Claudio Swiss]

 

[Astaro]

@Stocking Anarchy

 

[Astaro]

Bro I fucking miss when cartoons were just about good dumb fun and not trying to appeal to rainbow-haired socialist twats that hate their own parents

 

[Proto234]

Bro I fucking miss when cartoons were just about good dumb fun and not trying to appeal to rainbow-haired socialist twats that hate their own parents

I agree. The same reason is why I hate Disney Star Wars and to lesser extent current Marvel & DC

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

You don't need to bring them. One magi from Departement of Lore is more than enough considering their job and what they trained to fight against

I know, it's basically people who have no idea what Mages in the Nasuverse can even do and then make Kid Waver the gold standard for them when the entire point of Waver's character is that he's a shit Magus with shit potential which is not what most Magus Families have. Like if anything, Kairi is the closest to the gold standard of a basic Mage which is funny considering he's more Kiritsugu than a typical Mage despite being a Necromancer.

Like they still think Kiritsugu is only as efficient as he is because he uses guns... despite most Mages see guns as worthless because they can easily defend against them as long as they aren't blindsided which is a problem with most verses by the by.

 

[Welsh_Dragon]

Good luck.

Well, thanks.

 

[Welsh_Dragon]

He's cool for his setting.

By the way, it was already shown there that you can kill him with powerful artifacts.

For your understanding, in this world, when a mortal kills a god, that mortal gets a copy of that god's power, so to speak. The gods themselves are also, in essence, fragments of the real themselves, which were created from legends.

Simply put, no. He cannot have this ability, as it is inherently contrary to the entire verse.

Edit:
How is this supposed to affect Shiro in UBW?
In his world, it is his swords that are real. Unforgettable who destroyed Gilgamesh's swords in the end.
In Campione's world, it's unlikely that Sun Wukong's Ability works exactly the same as in real life.

I will be honest, Campione! is weird. Like much weirder than fate. The series is all about hax. If anything the authority works in similar ways to how magic works in To-aru work. Destruction isn't even the main focus, it's all Hax. If an Authority says it destroys the world, it will destroy the 'World'. Only, if the world in a certain case is a small reality marble, it goes poof, but the outside world is completely safe and in another case, if it is an infinite-sized world, it still goes poof. (This one is from the last vol. of Part-I).

And even godspeed, something related to his own feat, is arbitrary depending on circumstances. At one moment it's supersonic, another lightning+, and at another straight-up FTL.

Also, considering Campione's resistance is something equal to God's own, Shirou is screwed. Campione's resistance are insane, covering things like Time-Paradox, Timeline destruction, and Multiversal Merge (Like Living Tribunal smashing two metaverses, only this time its a multiverse.) and many high-end stuff in a similar ball park, then still dying to solar waves. (Yes, this is the world-destroying example I gave earlier. Solar Wave wiping infinite-sized world, because Authorities are weird.)

 

[Welsh_Dragon]

@NostalgiaFan John Wick: Chapter 4? I was only able to watch it till the interval before my brother hit up for urgent work. Still haven't continued from there.

 

[Astaro]

I will be honest, Campione! is weird. Like much weirder than fate. The series is all about hax. If anything the authority works in similar ways to how magic works in To-aru work. Destruction isn't even the main focus, it's all Hax. If an Authority says it destroys the world, it will destroy the 'World'. Only, if the world in a certain case is a small reality marble, it goes poof, but the outside world is completely safe and in another case, if it is an infinite-sized world, it still goes poof. (This one is from the last vol. of Part-I).

And even godspeed, something related to his own feat, is arbitrary depending on circumstances. At one moment it's supersonic, another lightning+, and at another straight-up FTL.

Also, considering Campione's resistance is something equal to God's own, Shirou is screwed. Campione's resistance are insane, covering things like Time-Paradox, Timeline destruction, and Multiversal Merge (Like Living Tribunal smashing two metaverses, only this time its a multiverse.) and many high-end stuff in a similar ball park, then still dying to solar waves. (Yes, this is the world-destroying example I gave earlier. Solar Wave wiping infinite-sized world, because Authorities are weird.)

That’s a weird analogy. Hax working in Toaru in almost every circumstance is because that person or spell is at a level to do so.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Shiki Tohno (Tsukihime) vs Shinichi (Parasyte)

Shiki and Shinichi meet at random in the middle of Fuyuki's bridge and fight eachother. The distance between them is 8 meters. They have no knowledge about eachother power or skills. Both are at their strongest. Victory by death or incapacitation. Who should win?

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Okay but why? No seriously, why make such an obvious stomp thread in Tohno's favor?

Not even the strongest Parasite Gotou was all that Superhuman and he had multiple Parasites within him

 

[shiny]

I will be honest, Campione! is weird. Like much weirder than fate. The series is all about hax. If anything the authority works in similar ways to how magic works in To-aru work. Destruction isn't even the main focus, it's all Hax. If an Authority says it destroys the world, it will destroy the 'World'. Only, if the world in a certain case is a small reality marble, it goes poof, but the outside world is completely safe and in another case, if it is an infinite-sized world, it still goes poof. (This one is from the last vol. of Part-I).

And even godspeed, something related to his own feat, is arbitrary depending on circumstances. At one moment it's supersonic, another lightning+, and at another straight-up FTL.

Also, considering Campione's resistance is something equal to God's own, Shirou is screwed. Campione's resistance are insane, covering things like Time-Paradox, Timeline destruction, and Multiversal Merge (Like Living Tribunal smashing two metaverses, only this time its a multiverse.) and many high-end stuff in a similar ball park, then still dying to solar waves. (Yes, this is the world-destroying example I gave earlier. Solar Wave wiping infinite-sized world, because Authorities are weird.)

You forgot about one little fact.

Noble phantasms don't care even more.

No seriously. They just don't care. They kill the gods anyway. Which, as it were, are involved in even more garbage.

Edit: Just remember Buzzet and Gae Bolg. The spear did not care at all about the rollback of time and the rewriting of reality.

 

[Welsh_Dragon]

You forgot about one little fact.

Noble phantasms don't care even more.

No seriously. They just don't care. They kill the gods anyway. Which, as it were, are involved in even more garbage.

Edit: Just remember Buzzet and Gae Bolg. The spear did not care at all about the rollback of time and the rewriting of reality.

Pretty sure that someone out there clarified that the reason it worked was that it was a unique circumstance due to how Fragarach works. Pretty sure killing Cu at the moment of summoning would invalidate Gae Bolg, rather than after the name was said and the NP launched.

Also, My Friends
>They kill the gods anyway
You need high Ranking like super high-ranking NPs to one-shot a god. Orion had to use an arrow made from f**king Divine Weapon + a fair bit of power up to kill Artemis. Shirou can trace those ones, Otherwise, Emiya wouldn't be losing his fight with Herc in Orignal Route. Few well-placed arrows from divine weapons = Herc Dead. (@Xhominid The Apex, correct me if I am wrong.)

And with the latest sequel (as long as we scale the original gods with those shown in the latest volumes.), Fate has a higher number of powerhouse surpassing general Gods from Campione due to likes of LB Zeus, Surt etc, while Campione! has a higher ceiling for power level. Madam Aisha was a multiversal threat, the Bearer of Fate controlled time for an entire infinite multiverse, along with creating his infinite* sized realm, weaved from threads of fate. Annnnnd, Goudou killed Bearer of Fate with his Sun Horse. Granted, his authority was a perfect counter for Bearer of Fate and his world, but it still did the job.

infinite*= The power level jump was so absurd, that most sites, or even Vs Wiki just went that it was flowery text, despite the translation. Can't blame them since the power jump came from nowhere, and ended now where until Madam Aisha's threat level was mentioned. It was only then that readers were told how a super powerful god or campione, in correct circumstances can cause universal to multiversal collapse.

1) Madam Aisha due to her timeline hopping and leaving wrap-portals everywhere and connecting 'x' no. of the universe was causing this universe to get sucked into each other, and their fusion or destruction.
2) Bearer of Fate was apparently some embodiment of the controller of concept of time since the multiverse birth so it could 'apparently' decide if the universe lived or died.
3) Goudo's Solar Flare had a unique property of erasing sinners and those who wished to harm others. And guess who is considered a sinner for killing the universe and planning to erase entire races and worlds? The bearer of fate and his world was erased as the entire set was considered as sinners.
4) Verethragna did what he did due to his sword, which is normally just an original sword until you start feeding it information about an opponents gods legend. After which, it can even power null likes of Aisha or Bearer of Fate.

 

[Xadlin]

Adam Conquest, Xeranthemum and Zephyranth (Suggsverse) vs. The Scarlet King, Yaldabaoth and SCP-682 (SCP)

As the title says, Suggsverse characters encounter characters from the SCPverse. Who wins? Suggsverse Roster: Adam Conquest (Suggsverse Wiki w/ feats in the Powers and Abilities section) Xeranthemum (Reddit RT) Zephyranth (Reddit RT, Zephyranth's feats are at the bottom of the page)...

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Xeranthemum (Suggsverse) vs. The Yellow King (Fear & Hunger)

Xeranthemum comes face-to-face with the Yellow King which leads to these two absolutely bullshit characters end up fighting. Battle Conditions Fight is set on neutral ground. Both are given composite feats from their own media. Word of God is applied for both. No BFR or reality-erasing...

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-Not sure how it's fanfiction? Suggsverse is an original work and SCP is public domain.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Pretty sure that someone out there clarified that the reason it worked was that it was a unique circumstance due to how Fragarach works. Pretty sure killing Cu at the moment of summoning would invalidate Gae Bolg, rather than after the name was said and the NP launched.

Uh no it wouldn't? That's the entire point that even killing Cu in the past would be worthless because Causality has been set in stone and Gae Bolg already pierced someone's heart and thus, that's what will happen.


The only way you can potentially break it's Casuality is by destroying the weapon itself and even THAT isn't a guarantee as at it's core, it's Cu's equivalent to an Authority itself.

You need high Ranking like super high-ranking NPs to one-shot a god. Orion had to use an arrow made from f**king Divine Weapon + a fair bit of power up to kill Artemis. Shirou can trace those ones, Otherwise, Emiya wouldn't be losing his fight with Herc in Orignal Route. Few well-placed arrows from divine weapons = Herc Dead. (@Xhominid The Apex, correct me if I am wrong.)

You got that backwards.
1. It takes 2 Shots from the Aegis Eclipse(Which is comparable to Durandal) to kill Machine God Artemis, one for her Armor covering her Core and one for the Core itself. It's also all but stated Artemis COULD HAVE actually repaired herself if she didn't ultimately let herself die due to Orion's feelings getting to her.

2. Artemis is only able to 2 Shot Heracles due to being in the same Pantheon as he is and thus, can strip away his God Hand if she infuses her Authority into her attacks(As she is in Orion's Saint Graph, her Authority is nowhere near as strong to pull it off despite showing off she does have it even like that). So uh yeah, unless you got some bullshit power behind you otherwise, Divinity itself isn't gonna help you claim multiple lives.

 

[Welsh_Dragon]

1. It takes 2 Shots from the Aegis Eclipse(Which is comparable to Durandal) to kill Machine God Artemis, one for her Armor covering her Core and one for the Core itself. It's also all but stated Artemis COULD HAVE actually repaired herself if she didn't ultimately let herself die due to Orion's feelings getting to her.

Didn't know Gods were glass cannons. Still, Shirou vs Sun doesn't change much since he can barely keep up the thing for long enough, and depending on how Sun's authority interacts with Shirou, it can all be one-shot unless his cockiness gets the better of him, which is totally in character for him to do.