Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Gordo]

GER sent his ass somewhere

GER sent him nowhere. That’s not how his power works at all

What Astaro said about how the laws of nature in JoJo works is the likely answer here

 

[OtherGalaxy]

I mean it's power isn't described as letting him walk around voids of destroyed time either, that's just something it can do for some reason

but again I don't care enough about this point to drag it on. I've already said there are tons of different ways to interpret that dialogue especially with multiple translations floating around and it's neither here nor there. We already got the retranslated KC statement as far as its area of influence for scaling purposes

 

[Astaro]

The other fact supporting this is that Diavolo’s in an infinite death loop well after GER deactivated with the arrow separated from Giorno

So something else is what’s keeping Diavolo in that infinite hell and it’s not GER’s power, it just put him in that state

 

[Adamant soul]

Well wouldn't that this be quite a banger of an interesting match-up?

A boy in a red cap and an electric mouse going up against every single zombies from a gritty tv show?

If by "interesting" you mean you mean ironic in the sense of characters from a "kid's show" would pretty much walk through a grimdark scenario like it weren't shit then sure.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/chaldea-fgo-invades-fairy-tail-world.1158394/page-2?post=100789468#post-100789468

People have a really weird image of Chaldea's capabilities.

Oh boy, here we go...

Anything Chaldea can summon is inferior to Tezcatlipoca, who is likewise inferior to Fujimaru even when he's supported by Daybit

Could it be... because Tezcatlipoca at that time... was a Grand Servant? The same set of beings that are utterly above Servants in every way? No... really? I fully believe that Chaldea has a way to defeat Grand Servant Romulus Quirinus just like that.
And seriously, he is literally going with "Tezcatlipoca is superior to everyone in Chaldea(Despite his legend being that he never defeated Quetzalcoatl, whose IN CHALDEA, in a fair fight... which Fate Grand/Order retained)" logic... when Ritsuka than defeats both Tez and Daybit so thoroughly, Daybit uncharacteristically goes into a rant about he should have summoned Quetzalcoatl(or one of the other Top Gods) instead... so that's a goddamned contradiction and a half.

The Servants they can summon aren't really that impressive outside of Gilgamesh.

Imaginary keeps saying this stupid shit but LB6 explicitly disagrees with Ritsuka's Shadow Servants making them be on par with the Tam Lin... the same Tam Lin that can go with the best of them, including 2 Divine Spirit-Tier Servants...

Any top tier who can deal with him and the Cannon Chaldea has access to- like Zeref- is too much for Chaldea to beat.

And Chaldea defeated that Tezcatlipoca so again, what is the fucking point of this?! Can Imaginary think for 2 fucking seconds before he just starts typing the most idiotic shit?

 

[Regular-Nothing Eric]

If by "interesting" you mean you mean ironic in the sense of characters from a "kid's show" would pretty much walk through a grimdark scenario like it weren't shit then sure.

I mean that it'd be hilarious and amusing to see a Pokemon human just mollywhop and bring apocalypse into a zombie show itself.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/chaldea-fgo-invades-fairy-tail-world.1158394/page-2?post=100792126#post-100792126

And even with all that, Chaldea is outperformed by individual Servants in many instances, like in Salem or LB7

1. Who the hell was the Servant in Salem again? You mean Abigail? The one who was housing one of the strongest Great Old Ones and it was about to fully manifest? And we beat her when we finally got Nehza to take her as a serious threat and knocked her out(And the real problem was containing Sut-Typhon/Yog -Sothoth from just opening enough breaches to allow all of the Lovecraftian entities to jump in).

2. Again, Tezcatlipoca is a GRAND. SERVANT! In LB7(Again, this has been spelled out since London that Grand Servants >>> Servants and King Hassan making a joke of Gawain at his best). Everyone else is other absolutely ridiculous like Tlaloc or is ORT's Heart given form. Everyone in LB7 would unironically tear Fairy Tail apart on their own.

Chaldea has never performed an actual feat in the main story which would let them deal with someone like White Wizard Zeref,

Ah yes, White Wizard Zeref is beyond Chaldea's reach in any capacity!
White Wizard Zeref > Divine Spirits, Beasts, U-Olga Marie and even TYPEs! Wow Imaginary is just speaking truth!

even when they had ideal conditions in Lostbelt 7, where they could someone any Servant they have access to.

Yes... it couldn't be because Ritsuka fucking DIED in Lostbelt 7 and had to revoke their Mastership to live and Tezca gave it to Camazotz so he could use those Servants to try and kill Ritsuka with them(Altering them in many ways)... and Ritsuka still won those fights despite not even being a Master, right?
This is legit getting absurd in just how wrong Imaginary really is and yet no one has contested him and even liking his posts!

They don't logically have that same benefit here,

They do... that's the point of a VS. debate...

but I'm pretty sure we're just hand waving it since finding out which Servants they would and wouldn't be able to summon is impossible.

Again, the fact this nimrod is trying to act like Chaldea would be restricted in a VS. debate like this is just taking the medal at the Mental Gymnastics...

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

What makes this sudden Tezcatlipoca wank so insane isn't just that Ritsuka defeated him with Daybit head on, Tez even admits he would lose in a battle against Camazotz even before Camazotz's Immortality can be considered... and again Ritsuka defeated him in a head on fight

AND STILL NOT BEING A TRUE MASTER AT THAT

Like none of this makes sense, it's like saying that no one can defeat Jiren because you take a part of the story out of context... despite motherfuckers being at Jiren's level or surpassing him in the case of the DBS Manga.

 

[Paxton]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/stats-equalised-match-kid-buu-vs-blackbeard-vs-kaguya-vs-yhwach-vs-agnologia-vs-shigaraki-afo-vs-lucius-vs-muzan-vs-sukuna-vs-death-devil.1158553/

Man what in the fuck is this.

Yhwach going ham on the others, that's what it is

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/the-dragonborn-skyrim-runs-the-modern-weapons-gauntlet.1156546/page-8?post=100757137#post-100757137

more of mook dumbassery

"Bethesda never would have intended this"

Meanwhile the actual author intention as repeatedly stated by the devs;

Skyrim Interview with Todd Howard

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“He does find out. There’s an event that happens with a dragon, where you find out you’re dragonborn. I think for anybody listening, it won’t matter, ’cause they know.”

“The greybeards, the guys who live up on the throat of the world, who are the masters of the voice, they find out about this fairly quickly, and they shout your name. They shout Dovahkiin to the wind, and it kind of rumbles through the world. The mountains shake when they call you. And you think ‘what was that,’ and someone says ‘that was the greybeards calling you. To walk the 7,000 steps up the throat of the world to meet them.’”

“I have been promised 7,000 steps, and I am going to count them. Our world artists are amazing. We have just an amazing team, and they put so much detail in the world, so they didn’t blink when I said ‘it MUST HAVE 7,000 steps. When you look at all the stuff we have in the world, 7,000 steps obviously is not that hard.”

6:06

Todd Howard: And you'll see coming up here, gonna use the Shout Storm Call. This is one of the more powerful Shouts in the game. And it calls a storm with lightning that's gonna rain down on your enemies. So it's really a nice way to let the player feel...feel powerful in a unique way.

0:17

Todd Howard: Your character is Dragonborn, and this means you are born with the soul of a dragon. So you can speak their language and in the language of dragons they use their language to form these mystical shouts, these words of power. Breath fire and shout through the wind and run fast, or slow down time. So, through the course of the story, not only do you discover the mystery of the dragons returning but you learn their language and become, you know, really powerful.

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Lawrence Schick: It's not just Earth with some magic guys casting spells, right. The nature of reality is fundamentaly different in the world of Nirn, because it's based all the natural laws come from the sacrifices that the Aedra made when they made the world. So Akatosh, when he put himself into the world, he made time happen, right, and so forth and so on with all the different gods. So you've got this really seriously interesting mythological background about the nature of reality and how it was created, and how it can be changed, because it's not set forever. It can be further changed by those who can channel magicka and force their will upon it. Right, that's what magic is. Changing reality locally...sometimes locally usually temporarily but you're changing reality, and creatures and characters and beings of mythological levels can change reality in big ways! And that's what happens when you get a Dragonbreak, or a planemeld, or an Oblivion Crisis, or Alduin coming back from the depths of time. You've got reality changing in big ways. At the same time, you've got all of these people who unlike in sorta your standard medieval setting, they look at things in a very logical and scientific and organised fashion. You've got all these sages, you've got the mages guild researchers, you've got the scholars, and they're all breaking stuff down, and it gives a way...

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AusGamers: Now you’re also concentrating on the northern area of Tamriel and obviously the Nord race is really tied into this and that’s the guy that you’ve been showing off. What’s the thought process for players that don’t ever play as the human characters and don’t care about that lineage for that particular race? What are you doing to invite them to becoming Dragonborn as well and does the game-world react to different races based on them being Dragonborn?

Todd: Well no matter what race you pick, you are Dragonborn. We’re kind of showing this guy because he’s very on-the-nose for the tone of the game so that people can understand it easily. But you can be any of the races; you can be an Argonian lizard who is Dragonborn and sorry I forgot the other part of the question... oh how do they react? It’s mostly a flavour thing. There’s a little bit of, this is a little bit harder, you can’t do this with a race but only a little bit -- it’s more dialogue flavour than anything.

Then you do have different powers based on which race you pick. So your skills start out differently, then each of the different races has their own powers, like some cool special abilities.

 

[Paxton]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/the-dragonborn-skyrim-runs-the-modern-weapons-gauntlet.1156546/post-100757137

Just read over Mook's latest sperg fest and uh...

"You can't even become a vampire until DLC"


You cannot make this shit up LOL

 

[Astaro]

He might have meant Vampire Lord but yeah

 

[Masterblack06]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/goetia-f-go-vs-every-playable-guest-character-in-fortnite.1158643/

@Xhominid The Apex

someone thinks Goetia can resist the infinity gauntlet cause "immune to instant death"

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/goetia-f-go-vs-every-playable-guest-character-in-fortnite.1158643/

@Xhominid The Apex

Yeah, nah, that dude is getting snapped.
I saw that thread, remembered that Goku is in it and being like yeah no, Goetia dies.
It's funnier that I forgot Thanos is in there too and I'm pretty sure so is Superman and like 2-3 others who can stomp Goetia to shit.

 

[King]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/can-muzan-kibutsuji-survive-warhammer-40k.1158538.

 

[King]

Yhwach going ham on the others, that's what it is

Buu kill him

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/chaldea-fgo-invades-fairy-tail-world.1158394/page-3?post=100794868#post-100794868

Chaldea probably has access to Queen of Sheba now admittedly, but back in the days of Salem Chaldea with multiple days of prep did nothing to Raum's barrier compared to the Queen's weakening effect.

Ignore that Queen of Sheba's existence fucking with SHEBA was a well known thing to the point it's part of her Interlude due to their connection causing havoc in Chaldea in a funny way. And again, Raum isn't no weak motherfucker in the fashion of how he created that Bounded Field in the first place...

Tezcatlipoca needing to beaten with U Olga Marie's help.

Again, Tezcatlipoca stated he couldn't defeat Camazotz... which Ritsuka did and U-Olga Marie never fought him and Tez lost to Ritsuka with Daybit as support in a genuine fight.
PLEASE stop trying to act like the Servant Tezcatlipoca is stronger than anyone else as that's not true.

Admittedly he's a grand servant,

So you fucking admit that you was hiding context outright and now basically let that shit loose now? You knew you was wrong and anyone could call you out on that shit because it was well known since LB4 he was a Grand Servant and it was all but stated to be him.

but he got beaten in by Fujimaru all the same at the end of LB7

So what the fuck is with you stating that "No Servant in Chaldea" can defeat him... when Ritsuka did in a straight up battle against him WITH DAYBIT as backup?! That would require Shadow Servants, my guy.

You also have Morgan greatly improving on Chaldea's techniques simply due to being a genius, learning how to Rayshift without a coffin in a very short timeframe.

Absolutely NOTHING has shown that Morgan in any fashion has helped with Chaldea's tech or magical capabilities... not a single time. Hell if anything, the Storm Border became as ludicrous as it did before we even went into Britain.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/chaldea-fgo-invades-fairy-tail-world.1158394/page-3?post=100795864#post-100795864

Sure, but Chaldea still had their summonable Servants on standby and were unable to create something exceeding Queen of Sheba's natural traits despite having days of prep, which they don't have here.

Chaldea somehow doesn't have the prep or knowledge to make something exceeding Queen of Sheba's natural traits
They have the Servant herself who has full control of her natural traits and powers

This doesn't even make sense because:

1. SHEBA still exists!
2. Trismegistus makes that absolutely fucking moot anyway

Of course, Chaldea's roster increase since then, but my point is that the magi, inventors, and scientists that Lucian is hyping up are pretty much irrelevant against things on the scale of Fairy Tail top tiers.

So the logic that Imaginary is going with is that because Chaldea didn't create a SHEBA that goes beyond Queen of Sheba's capabilities(Which is funny because the entire existence of SHEBA's true purpose was to rein in the Demon God Pillars as only Goetia trusted Sheba... something no one else knew:

Due to its sophisticated technology, SHEBA displays limited sapience when it is able to summon the Queen of Sheba to the Salem Singularity using its name as a catalyst. Consequently, when the Queen of Sheba is present in Chaldea, her emotions appear to be synced with the machine, which reflects when she is under emotional duress. Unknown to Chaldea at first, this is because its true purpose was to act as an overseer of the Demon God Pillars on Goetia's behalf, and was programmed to restrain them if any of the Pillars attempted to defy Goetia's will. The Queen of Sheba had been summoned not because of her name, but because she was the only human that Goetia trusted.[15]

Means that somehow, some fucking way, they cannot create things to deal with stuff in Fairy Tail? Imaginary truly is the dumbest motherfucker alive...

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/chaldea-fgo-invades-fairy-tail-world.1158394/page-3?post=100796533#post-100796533

My point is that Queen of Sheba's passive ability to manipulate her surroundings outperformed everyone Chaldea had access to at the time, and her ability was inherited by a Djinn, and Djinn(Demon Gods) can be beaten by individual normal Servants

That was because Sheba the Servant was fucking with SHEBA the device due to them being connected through Goetia having the machine be made through Lev as a sign of respect to her! No one knew of that function of SHEBA till Sheba was in Chaldea.

Otherwise, this is some absolute fucking reaching because what the hell defines a "Normal Servant" in this dude's eyes? Because we know for a fact that "Normal Servants" need to be in pairs of groups to defeat ONE Demon God Pillar and you have the truly exceptional Servants that can actually defeat one on their own.

Chaldea never really has a good prep feat, and they have virtually no time to prep in this battle.

Ah yes, Chaldea never had a single good prep feat despite the very existence of Chaldea surviving to the Lostbelts is due to Chaldea being able to do some actual fucking prep. That the reason they are able to even enter and do shit in certain Lostbelts is because of fucking prep time. That the very goddamned reason they aren't dead after Tunguska is due to prepping for shit in advance. Somehow, they are terrible at Prep Time despite Da Vinci making a decent Camo Covering in LB3 at short notice amongst many other things I could bring up if I really wanted to...

It's still better than all of the feats the Caster class combined has.

... Seriously, I keep saying it but it's true:
Imaginary is the dumbest motherfucker in Spacebattles by a country mile...
The Caster Class Servants was able to make a barrier that required no less than a Divine Construct to effortlessly cut through it as they did.
The Caster Class Servants that helped with the Nautilus in LB5 which is the reason everyone didn't die instantly.
Or the Dream Catcher Geronimo made just to capture Salem Abigail so she wouldn't abduct Ritsuka in her Interlude.
Or the fact that Edison and Tesla's insanely ridiculous shit in the recent Lotto Event is something they could actually realistically do if they had the time.
I could go on and on and on but it's absolutely ridiculous that this dude is lying out of his ass when one of the most obvious gags is that Kiyohime had a Love Potion just for Paracelsus to have stated that not only did he make a genuine Love Potion, he also made an antidote to the very thing he made as he knew what it would be made for.

None of this is hidden or hard to find, Caster Class Servants have been integral into keep Chaldea afloat in many ways or helping out in others.

There are servants who can rayshift, but not through pure magecraft alone- unless you define Qin's ability as magecraft.

Doesn't that destroy your Morgan wank if there are other ways to Rayshift than how Morgan does it with Magecraft? Fucking imbecile...

 

[King]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/ultra-magnus-idw-vs-muzan-demon-slayer.1158607/

 

[Qinglong]

Animated Ultra Magnus would beat KnY, never mind IDW