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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

Ikkaku vs. Cqc only Mayuri

Ikkaku is at his strongest. With shikai and perfect bankai. No gadgets,science,bankai,nemu for mayuri. Mayuri has his regular shinigami body without modifications. Mayuri has no prep. Just pure cqc. Sealed Ss arc Mayuri Quincy war Mayuri Scenario 2 Mayuri is allowed basic shikai and body...
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People thinking Ikkaku actually has a chance of winning this as if Mayuri being the "physically weakest Captain" means a damn thing for a guy whose barely scraping Lieutenant tier without his Bankai. :heston

Even going with JUST the SS version of the first round, he had NO issue dodging Uryu's attacks and moving too fast for him to even see. Never mind the fact in the Nazis arc we see the man pierce KENPACHI and avoid attacks from an Elite Nazi so I question the claim he is physically THE weakest.

He's weaker than the stronger Captains from a pure physical perspective sure, but there's no way in hell he's THE weakest by EoS with the feats he has.
Ejenku said:
Only hisagi,kira due to matchup,and preskip bankai renji are touching ikkaku in pure cqc.
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Really not sure where this Ikkaku wank comes from, he's getting fucking bodied by Rangiku, Rukia and Sasakibe as well.

Without his bankai, I'd only back him beating Isane and I'd hesitate to even put him over Omaeda (speed and range is a bitch against a pure CQC fighter).
Ejenku said:
Ikkaku is high vc tier in stats.
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No he is NOT, he's LOW Lieutenant Tier and only breaks into the MID-tier WITH his Bankai and even then, would still lose to a fair few of them.
 
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Okay, I get SB members wanting to make Muscular way stronger than he is... but why would people try and scale him to Star and Stripe and Shigaraki? Feels even odder for people to downplay Youpi as if he's not on Muscular's level, if not above that with his Rage Blasts.


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We have a beam struggle between 2 blast that, according to Cell can wipe out the solar system.....yet somehow it barely creates a crater in the ground that literally is similar to the size of the crater Youpi made instead of vaporizing the entire planet

Sorry but collateral damage isn't a viable argument here, otherwise everytime Hori wrote Al Might throwing a punch he'd had to write a scene of the entire area getting leveled....

If Deku didn't mention the comparison to All Might then maybe you might have a good point here but we have a direct comparison to All Might per a credible source
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Rules for thee but not for me.
 
Bros really think bringing Dragonball into the convo is a good idea for shit like that when in every saga you have at least one mention of how characters are controlling the output of those attacks and how ki attacks cancel each other out.
DB Goku literally used the kamehameha with his feet to fly. They have precise control over their attacks.
 
LeonLex said:
Bros really think bringing Dragonball into the convo is a good idea for shit like that when in every saga you have at least one mention of how characters are controlling the output of those attacks and how ki attacks cancel each other out.
DB Goku literally used the kamehameha with his feet to fly. They have precise control over their attacks.
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It's why I can never stop but to laugh everytime people bring up Dragonball as if that's a series that proves their point rather than being an exception.
We are explicitly told how Precise Ki Control can do exactly the amount of damage towards without it wreaking anywhere near the level of havoc it should and we are told and shown examples of when it would(Vegeta's Final Flash and Goku's Instant Transmission against Perfect Cell followed by Perfect Cell doing the same shit to Goku before that). Hell, we literally see Vegeta throw around a blast that would have destroyed Namek and Frieza punted it like nothing and it still blew up a Planet.
 
LeonLex said:
Bros really think bringing Dragonball into the convo is a good idea for shit like that when in every saga you have at least one mention of how characters are controlling the output of those attacks and how ki attacks cancel each other out.
DB Goku literally used the kamehameha with his feet to fly. They have precise control over their attacks.
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No, that's actually not a thing

They do blatantly violate conversation of energy on the regular, left unexplained on most occasions (Big Bang Attack is fairly uniquely described to restrict AOE in a Daizenshuu for example)

That's kind of why Dragon Ball serves as the floor for this hobby, because its accessible and recognizable in what it does so you can compare how other series treat their shit against it
 
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Kenpachi Zaraki

Kenpachi Zaraki (更ざら木き 剣八けんぱち, Zaraki Kenpachi?) is the current captain of the 11th Division in the Gotei 13. He is the eleventh Soul Reaper to hold the position and the name Kenpachi, branding him as the strongest Soul Reaper in martial combat. True to his title, Kenpachi is bloodthirsty and...
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Solar System to Galaxy Kenpachi
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Nigga’s best feat is busting a hill-sized meteor and needing to release his sword to do so

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At this point, every profile on VBW of a character is them being 2 or 3 tiers higher than they actually are in-canon
 
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Honestly, alot of that is both right and wrong but it's the usual symptom of modern VS. debating going all levels of wrong and it makes the Nasuverse such a bitch for people to just get right on both sides:

Legit THE most statement wanked motherfucker to even exist, his best feats are replicated by MASH, his anti feats are legit more impressive than his feats
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Like Gilgamesh is genuinely wanked in VS. debates to a ludicrous degree but it's due to the problem above(and what he mentions later) but when does Mash replicate his best feats? Her new Paladin Form's 2nd Noble Phantasm? That may be Anti-World but it's not Enuma Elish as they work differently.
Mash's Rayproof Kyrielight apparently corrects the flow of time(on top of acting like the Black Barrel Replica so basically, it's both effects at once) while Enuma Elish can straight up tear apart an entire Texture/Reality right off of the Planet.

Shirou is my goat but HOW THE FUCK DO YOU LOSE TO A REGULAR HUMAN AS A SERVANT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE GRAND ARCHER CANDIDATE
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People keep bringing this up as if Nasu didn't immediately strike it down like a year after the UBW movie came out and Shirou was just the luckiest motherfucker and "had his one time" on top of having to do everything possible so Gil can't rationalize his thoughts for a second.
Like did people just instead of saying correctly it was plot that Shirou won years ago to now "Gilgamesh is a fraud" constantly as if this is Jujutsu Kaisen now?

"Ohhhhhh but he could one shot everyone" full power enuma elish was contested by seal 0 Excalibur from a low tier mana pool, chains have been countered by everyone and their mother
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Contested?! When did it contest with Enuma Elish in the Fate Route, it fucking LOST even when Artoria regaining Avalon gave her enough Magical Energy to use it more than once. Gilgamesh wasn't even using Enuma Elish at it's maximum UNTIL the time Artoria used Avalon to basically no sell it:
Day 14 (Fate)

Here, Artoria and Gilgamesh are 10 meters apart before they clash with Excalibur and Ea, Gil tells Artoria not to hold back, that he wants to clash with the sword claimed to be the strongest. Here, Excalibur vs Ea. Here, the end result of Excalibur vs Ea. Here, Gilgamesh observes Excalibur failed to even offset Ea, the condition Artoria is left in is due to that fact.
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Day 15 (Fate)

Here, Excalibur vs Ea, Ea bashes through the wall of Noble Phantasm Gilgamesh sent after Artoria too. Here, the result of Excalibur vs Ea. Here, Artoria managed to sort of offset Ea with Excalibur. Here, Artoria still needs a few minutes for Avalon to heal her wounds from Ea.

Here, Gilgamesh claims he won't hold back with Ea. Here, Ea's magical energy far exceeds the power of Excalibur. Here, the final clash between Gilgamesh and Artoria begins, only Ea has been cast. Here, Ea's attack tears through space, Artoria's armor is able to endure the power of Ea for a period of time less than a second. Here, Artoria attacks with Excalibur, but it can only push back against it briefly. Here, Gilgamesh pours more magical energy into Ea, he will annihilate Artoria with all his power. Ea reaches max speed and begins to mow down Excalibur. Here, during the clash, Excalibur was able to create enough space by pushing at Ea to give Artoria room to take 1 more step to summon Avalon with.
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This is meant to be offsetting it? Also, why are we adding the Seals to Excalibur in F/SN when it didn't exist then? Like yeah, we have no idea if Ea is stronger than Planetary Defense Excalibur but that's not the argument being stated here.
The VN is officially translated for pete sake and it's available on Youtube, how can people still parrot such incorrect shit.
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Mooncell scaling is so wonky it can almost be another anti feat for gil, and guess what, even if mooncell does scale high, IT'S AN UPSCALE FOR MASH
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Eh... let's not go that far, Moon Cell scaling is absolute hot ass which is why we never try and truly scale with the Moon Cell in the first place. Speaks volumes that despite FGO incorporating more systems from Extra, it's infinitely more easy to follow.
 
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