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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

Astaro said:
Isn’t that the dude that sends any harm you do back to you? Including harm you’ve done to others?

Given Terra was an asshole that experimented his powers on and murdered people he considered heathens, there’s a lot of pain to be sent back to him
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Scar Dead only opens up wounds on yourself no matter how old they may be. What you've done to others doesnt matter
 
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I actually did even bring in the dumbest part from the Sukuna vs. Nagato thread:


Chakra is invisible by default. It's actually supposed to be incredible for chakra to be dense enough to be visible to the naked eye. It's completely in keeping with the mechanics of the series for Susanoo to first manifest as a invisible blob of chakra that provides the least possible protection out of the various Susanoo modes and then cranks up the protection and visibility the more chakra is pumped into it and the more compact said chakra becomes.
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It's not exactly crazy to think Susanoo could do something similar but better. I mean we see in the Danzo fight that even the ribs are so hard that a kunai snaps in half when Danzo tries to stab Sasuke. The Liger Bomb is just the Raikage slamming his opponent into the ground really hard, so just putting a slab that's harder than steel (or stone/concrete) between himself and the ground shouldn't actually protect Sasuke at all, if anything the Susanoo should function as a anvil to the Raikage's hammer.
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And invisible but less protective layer of Susanoo also explains why Itachi got partially fried by Kirin despite activating Susanoo and how he was able to activate Susanoo in time against an attack many orders of magnitude to fast for him to evade when earlier he couldn't even fully dodge/block Sasuke's trick shuriken.
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Apparently Susann'O was always there for Itachi, he just put more chakra in it to make it visible after it saved his ass against Kirin... despite that never, ever being that case for the Jutsu or being the case for high volumes of Chakra being outputted.

I legit want to know which is treated more stupidly between Naruto and Fate for SB at this point because the fact people believe this horseshit is some absolute Grade A insanity.
 

Siegfried never tanks Brahmastra. He never uses it vs Sieg in the LN, and in the anime where he does use it, Sieg is forced to dodge.
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Sieg got hit by something far stronger than Brahmastra in the Anime and no sold it and the other skimmed him, he didn't dodge it

Siegfried also never tanks an NP in FGO. Traum shows he explicitly can't do just that. He has to clash with Tametomo's arrow with Balmung and use AoF to tank the residuals, a direct hit from the arrow explicitly leaves Siegfried injured. So unless you count clashing NPs as a defensive action, he can't just handle them.
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This is completely wrong, holy shit(So bad someone proved him wrong with video and his response is to further double down...)

For one, Siegfried does tank NPs in FGO, there's a reason he was in Summer 4 and it wasn't for his looks and why he had to be sealed in Orleans. For two, him being injured by Tametomo's split arrow is better off than everyone else who ends up DEAD. He's trying to treat as if Siegfried was basically completely fucked up but that is not how that was treated in the story:
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My fucking ass.

No that it matters much, Siegfried has never tanked anything remotely comparable to what Esdeath and Tatsumi can do.
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I would say that's absolutely above what they can do, get the fuck out of here...
 

Part 2 in further showing why there's no credibility with SB anymore(Part 3 will be Sukuna vs. the JoJo Antagonists LOL)

You can quite literally see it's a single continuous blast, the explosion is just an after effect. Sieg never tanks Brahmastra.
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Again, tanks a stronger attack than Brahmastra, only loses a shoulderguard and is otherwise alive, why does he NEED to tank Brahmastra to prove himself?

The game shows us Siegfried takes no damage by clashing Balmung vs Tametomo's NP. But takes damage if he takes it directly.
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So... we are gonna ignore that Siegfried took a 3rd Arrow that was as strong as the original to the chest and was just "injured"(but still capable of fighting and attacking) from that huh? We just pretend it was only the clashing of Balmung and Tametomo's NP that happened right? Okay then.

Your sole example of him 'tanking' anything (being generous and counting Brahmastra despite the fact he didn't) is an NP that Night Gawain blocked with a sword slash and a featless NP that's sole showing is clashing with Balmung.

Not seeing the uhh, way better part here.
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How is Tametomo's NP featless when the aftershocks of it's attack destroyed 3 fucking islands?!

Atleast fucking try Ruby, fucking try to actually use logic and not slander and lies.


That is not how scaling works. You need to show that two attacks logically scale to one another. Just because they have basic similarities, doesn't mean they directly compare in terms of output and how it destroys things.
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Okay, lets see how you state that Caladbolg cannot be around a similar tier then.

Excalibur, for example, does way more damage then Excalibur Galantine, but Galantine can destroy a larger number of things and a greater area (maybe no blow up as tough targets, but still). Destroying something like a mountain or something cares as much about the distribution of energy as it does about how much actual energy there is. If you have a super attack that focuses damage to the size of a tree and only effects a singular target, its not going to blow up a mountain, even if it would do more damage to that one target then a mountain destroying attack might.

Hell, the things you are trying to scale to explicitly point that out in the LN, where Balmung loses to Clarent specifically BECAUSE of how it distributes its power in its attack, making Clarent stronger at the distances they were using it. You can't just say "if scaling applies" in this case, you need to make the argument that it does because its not something you actually can directly say since Caladbolg is so different from even those two in function.
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Yeah and you completely fucked it up...

One, Excalibur wiped out an entire half city with Excalibur in Hollow Atraxia and an Asteroid that was destroyed into a wider area that was already as tall as the Eiffiel Tower and it destroyed all of that too... and Excalibur Galatine has no real extra range to it that's above Excalibur, that's fanon nonsense

2. The logic used for why the Mountain feat doesn't matter makes zero goddamned sense. Again, in the Real World alone, we have weaponry that can hit for way harder than they should but ultimately disperses with far less damage for many reasons due to physics. We can blow up Mountains but that same force will not take out a city as shown with the Nuclear Detonation or otherwise.
By that logic, Tatsumi, Esdeath and practically everyone in fiction should never be stated to be X because apparently, they aren't destroy entire City Blocks by casually moving their arms around.

3. Balmung never lost power in the slightest in the LN nor did it ever lose against Clarent Blood Arthur in the LN, they both clash and ate each others attacks and lived due to various reasons.

Yes, but its a NP focused on prolonged usage to do that. People like to say "It scales to this!" and showing the Agartha feat, but it ignores that he was sitting there and... well, drilling into the island with his NP. It wasn't an instant thing. Most NPs that are blasts with high level of powers are a singular blasts that do everything at once, this was just a constant attack with a constant output. More over, it was a floating Island, so saying its Island destruction completely is not completely right since its not like it atomized the island or anything, it did enough damage to it that it collapsed and broke apart, cause, you know, its a floating island which once its not held together anymore will just start to crumble apart.

It doesn't just destroy landscapes because its powerful, its also because its function is suited to it. It acts like a drill with a wide range and power, meaning its specifically suited to destroying landscapes in a way that even something objectively superior to it might not be.
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That is literally not fucking true, what garbage is this?!

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Fate/Grand Order Feat - Caledfwlch Caladbolg and the Destruction of Laputa

I normally don't like using icons, but they're always generally a low end to start with on account of inflating the size to be visible on the map And I have nothing else to run with, so fuck it *shrugs* Chang'an = 245 pixels Rock Formation...
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After the instant his NP activated:



I do not understand in the slightest on how it "took it's time" to get to that state when it wasn't.
I know SB has lost any and all integrity as shown with their new rules but again, atleast use logic to why this can't make any sense, not just make shit up.
 
Masterblack06 said:
What can terra do that can bypass encounter?
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Terra's power precendence allows him to basically make things he want immune to things.

For example he can say "My skin takes precedence over bullets" and boom he's bulletproof. He can also use this too attack by raising the precedence of salt (which he uses to attack) over skin, objects, etc.
 
Cryso Agori said:
Terra's power precendence allows him to basically make things he want immune to things.

For example he can say "My skin takes precedence over bullets" and boom he's bulletproof. He can also use this too attack by raising the precedence of salt (which he uses to attack) over skin, objects, etc.
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How does that let him bypass encounter?
 
Iirc Terra also holds the dubious honor of being an excellent example of what being "blitzed" looks like, since Aqua beat him by just punching his face off before he could chant or cast any spells
 
CrossTheHorizon said:
Iirc Terra also holds the dubious honor of being an excellent example of what being "blitzed" looks like, since Aqua beat him by just punching his face off before he could chant or cast any spells
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Not sure how much that matters cause while Gagamaru's reflection allows him to block light speed attacks I'm not sure if Gagamaru himself is ls.Terra just before that managed to survive the Earth Blade, which iirc was basically a fighter jet that dumps lava at hypersonic speeds, he got hit directly but came out unscathed cause he used precedence just before he got hit.

So that's hs-mhs reactions right there.

Of course this all comes down on whether or not one believes that precedence can overcome reflection.

You guys can debate on that yourselves, I don't care for a vs debate.
 
CrossTheHorizon said:
Iirc Terra also holds the dubious honor of being an excellent example of what being "blitzed" looks like, since Aqua beat him by just punching his face off before he could chant or cast any spells
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I'm pretty sure it was all done to show Aqua's speed. Like Terra can react at close range to a 10,000 km/h attack and Aqua is so fast that Terra couldn't react to his attack. The best boy was the victim of powerscaling.
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