I don’t take that particular scene at face value for powerscaling but it’s pretty obvious that if it were up to Toei, Goku would be stronger than Gohan and GotenksToei really gave no thought to their filler, huh? Goku and Vegeta (sans Majin bullshit) are static measuring sticks in this arc
This is actually some order of comic book writing nonsense
Really was a preview of what was to come with Super decades later I guess
Sure, that much I figure given marketability and popularityI don’t take that particular scene at face value for powerscaling but it’s pretty obvious that if it were up to Toei, Goku would be stronger than Gohan and Gotenks
So long as Vegeta isn’t involved in the mix and the vibe is Goku is holding back that much in Toei, I could maybe squint at this?I personally put more weight on the short Buutenks scuffle where SSJ3 Goku was on the losing end but didn’t seem to do worse than Gohan
It puts Goku above Gotenks at least
Funny part is the anime still kept the dialogue where Goku admitted inferiority to Super BuuSo long as Vegeta isn’t involved in the mix and the vibe is Goku is holding back that much in Toei, I could maybe squint at this?
If dialogue remains that has him keep insisting on Fusion, even with only Super Buu though, I’m not really sure I’m sold with this filler either
Toei sounds like a pain in the ass to parse in this respect, yeah. Guess it really amounts to what you treat as the core pivot to dictate what you take out of handFunny part is the anime still kept the dialogue where Goku admitted inferiority to Super Buu
There are more snarls
Against Buutenks and Buuhan: Goku practically begs for Fusion
Against Kid Buu: Goku calls him the strongest Buu but was willing to take him on anyway (he still ends up eating shit though)
Going just by dialogue leads to all sorts of bullshit, so I just weigh the actual fights a bit more, at least the ones that doesn’t have as much snarls as the inside Buu segment, while taking into account Toei’s absolute desire to have Goku be top dog. So going just by Toeiland Buu arc, I have Goku roughly equivalent to Ultimate Gohan at least
With the movies though, Goku is unquestionably stronger since they’re not bound by manga canon statements, making things simpler
Wonder which word is being flagged by auto mod@ChaosTheory123 I replied to the bit on pre-RoSaT SSJ Gotenks’s power on NF but the stupid place has the post waiting on mod approval so I’ll copypaste it here
Pre-RoSaT SSJ Gotenks should be stronger than fatty since he was portrayed as their last hope when Goku decided to leave it up to the kids
Chapter: 472 (DBZ 278), P9.4
Context: after explaining that Fusion lasts 30 minutes
Goku: “With these two [Goten and Trunks], if they just manage to perform Fusion successfully, I think they’ll definitely be able to defeat [Boo] within 30 minutes. Fusion is just that extreme.”
Chapter: 477 (DBZ 283), P11.8
Context: Chi-Chi thinks Goten will get killed by Boo
Goku: “Don’t worry. If he perfects the technique he’s trying now, he definitely ain’t gonna lose.”
Piccolo’s reaction to Base Gotenks:
Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P11.4-5
Context: after Piccolo says to try Fusion again, as Super Saiyans
Gotenks: “Hehhehheh…Aren’t you underestimating me? Like this, I’m more than enough to defeat Majin Boo.”
Piccolo: “Yo-you idiot! What are you saying?! You don’t know anything about Majin Boo’s fearsomeness! No matter how incredible you may be, at that level there’s still absolutely no way you’d be able to win!”
Then SSJ:
Chapter: 482 (DBZ 288), P7.2-3
Context: after Super Saiyan Gotenks forms for the first time
Piccolo: “…Yeah…Your ki really is absolutely incredible, but how about your movement?...Show me a little.”
Gotenks: “Is that alright? If I show you here, the house might break. I’ll do it on the ground.”
Piccolo praised his ki and doesn’t really contradict Goku’s estimation, only questioning his movement. When Gotenks speeds away to fight Fat Buu:
Chapter: 482 (DBZ 288), P9.3-8
Context: Piccolo finally catches up to Gotenks
Gotenks: “You’re slow. So you finally got here? Besides circling around the Earth several times, I even took a little afternoon nap. [ ] Fuffuffuh…So you can’t tell just from my speed just now? My super-duper incredible power…! …Which is to say that the test is over, and I’m going to go take care of that annoying Majin Boo right away…”
Gotenks takes off
Piccolo: “H-hey, you idiot! Kuh…! Wh-what a shithead…H-he already has only 1 minute left that he can stay merged. That dimwhit…!”
Piccolo only notes Gotenks’s time is limited, but doesn’t mention he’s still too weak to beat Buu or anything like that. Now when Super Buu appears, Piccolo basically outright says Gotenks has no chance before all the training
Chapter: 487 (DBZ 293), P13.5
Context: as Piccolo plans on having Goten and Trunks train in the Room of Spirit and Time
Piccolo: “Can’t you tell…?! As they are now, even if they perform Fusion they can’t win, no doubt about it…! Tell them that if they don’t want to die while they’re still just little brats, then they should train as much as they can…!”
Pretty stark contrast
So yeah, SSJ Gotenks before training should be stronger than pre-split Fat Buu since it was never really contradicted when the knowledgeable characters could’ve done so. Gap shouldn’t be huge but he’d have an edge on the pink lard in terms of overall strength
Also, we can agree this boat looks vaguely enough like this one, right?
Also, we can agree this boat looks vaguely enough like this one, right?
Missing the 2 steam stack looking things. Was trying to find a ship that had those and a similar enough looking body. Wasn't too many options to work with.
this mini cruise ship also is fine, kinda closer to the one to the pic
Details inform the mathyou nerd, you want every detail
Brute forcing that was not fun, but didn't take long, just put on some music while clicking some links for a half hour or so. This is the end result.yeah, in that case, the one you posted fits, cuz literally not many options
I mean, Super Hero and Daima appear to have been heavily influenced by the Daizenshuu world map, so I'm going to just scale Papaya Island off that? shrugsso
what do you think?
will it result to maybe island+ levels if you recalc it? or just further levels of city+?
Anime can get pretty crazy considering the destruction of planet Namek becomes an explosion so bright it's brighter than the entire Galaxy Namek was in and even a near dead Frieza tanked that.
Here another evidence for how the explosion of Namek is brighter in Galaxy.
第 117 話 男だねェ…クリリン101回目のプロポーズ - ドラゴンボールZ - 作品ラインナップ - 東映アニメーション
第 117 話 男だねェ…クリリン101回目のプロポーズの作品紹介lineup.toei-anim.co.jp
The original version is mentioned Galaxy.
And another Toei Namek Saga feat is base Namek Goku's reach multiple surrounding planets.
you nerd, you want every detail
yeah, in that case, the one you posted fits, cuz literally not many options
so
what do you think?
will it result to maybe island+ levels if you recalc it? or just further levels of city+?
More to come
Beginning of Saiyan Arc Piccolo Jr's (Night After Raditz Fight) Bakurikimaha Yield = 1,808,270,807,326,271,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules or 432.187 zettatonsat least country+/quad digits 23rd budokai chars, plus some relativistic+/lightspeed attack speed feats from the previous arcs, lol
psure, if you recalc the piccolo moon feat, is going to be planet+ levels, this time = raditz oneshots more verses as well
High-end Piccolo's moon blast being only a little over ten times under dwarf star level yield is even wilder. Especially when you consider he's fodder next to Raditz, whose fodder next to Nappa, and so on.wow, he truly became at least planet+ levels
bro, they legit one ki blast bleach, oda piece, nardo, ft, asta clover and etc, once again, even more casually this time, the obd method of test trend is back
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