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Godzilla’s more of a living allegory for the dangers of nuclear weapons and warning to stay away from them rather than pillaging the depths of the unknown
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Godzilla’s more of a living allegory for the dangers of nuclear weapons and warning to stay away from them rather than pillaging the depths of the unknown
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"It focus on how both are representations of horror in their most integral aspects (or at least the horrors humanity has to face). Cthulhu is the byproduct of Lovecraft's overwhelming fear of the terrors that could lie beyond human understanding. Whether from the void of space or the depths of the ocean, Cthulhu ultimately personifies the primal fear of the unknown. Godzilla, meanwhile, is a representation of human folly. He acts as both a force of nature and as an example of our greatest sins. Godzilla is the personification of the very real threat of nuclear Armageddon. It's a battle between a fear of the unknown, and a fear of the natural. Regardless, both are a reality check that reminds us of just how small we really are."
Per the team, Gogito was probably chosen as an episode because the DBX of Gogeta vs Vegito did "well".
at least two members of the research team had concluded Azula beats Cinder, agreeing with a person who makes prediction videos.
but Ryu vs Jin is still correct per the discord
a lot of peeps in the discord has Discord beating Bill pretty handily
They also said Cammy vs Sonya was wrong, Cammy should've packed Sonya up.
pparently some of us think Korra vs Storm was a "Ben episode" or somethin'. I was told to report this to ya'll, Korra vs Storm was NOT a Ben episode.
@OrlandoSky whenever u read this run me down on how strong adanmatium is and why Raiden can't bypass it?
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Solar System level consistently
It's considered one of the most durable objects in the Marvel universe even by heavy hitters, which is why Wolverine can always take bloodlusted hits from Hulk and get right back up it's also why his claws have the sharp cutting power to cut/maim heavy hitters like Thor/Hulk and especially Thing. IIRC They tried to equate Raiden's high-frequency blade=antarctic vibranium but those aren't really the same since vibranium only really works because it's an anti-metal (it's adamantium's kryptonite)
Whereas the High Frequency Blade doesn't bypass durability it just weakens the durability of the molecular bonds that it strikes making it easier to cut. It's never cut a material anywhere near as durable as Adamantium and it has shown an upper limit when Raiden broke his HF blade on Armstrong's nanomachine skin. If say Muramasa didn't break like Raiden's HF blade did and he did attempt to lower the adamantium's durability down enough to be able to cut it (let's say the weakening effect directly correlates to the force of each strike) with the 100 kt they gave Raiden's cutting power (and scaling adamantium's durability from Thor/BRB's breaking a star eater) it would take 6.602136e+31 full-powered strikes to the same area for him to cut it. Which even factoring in their Relativistic reactions spot for Raiden (11.7% c/35,188,682.02m/s) would still take 1.8762101e+24 seconds (59 Quadrillion years) of striking the same spot at full strength to cut it or the more likely result would be that it would break like with the aforementioned Armstrong incident.
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Well the reseachers happen to agree with u on that as they said wolverine vs Raiden was wrong n been wrongSolar System level consistently
It's considered one of the most durable objects in the Marvel universe even by heavy hitters, which is why Wolverine can always take bloodlusted hits from Hulk and get right back up it's also why his claws have the sharp cutting power to cut/maim heavy hitters like Thor/Hulk and especially Thing. IIRC They tried to equate Raiden's high-frequency blade=antarctic vibranium but those aren't really the same since vibranium only really works because it's an anti-metal (it's adamantium's kryptonite)
Whereas the High Frequency Blade doesn't bypass durability it just weakens the durability of the molecular bonds that it strikes making it easier to cut. It's never cut a material anywhere near as durable as Adamantium and it has shown an upper limit when Raiden broke his HF blade on Armstrong's nanomachine skin. If say Muramasa didn't break like Raiden's HF blade did and he did attempt to lower the adamantium's durability down enough to be able to cut it (let's say the weakening effect directly correlates to the force of each strike) with the 100 kt they gave Raiden's cutting power (and scaling adamantium's durability from Thor/BRB's breaking a star eater) it would take 6.602136e+31 full-powered strikes to the same area for him to cut it. Which even factoring in their Relativistic reactions spot for Raiden (11.7% c/35,188,682.02m/s) would still take 1.8762101e+24 seconds (59 Quadrillion years) of striking the same spot at full strength to cut it or the more likely result would be that it would break like with the aforementioned Armstrong incident.
Solar System level consistently
It's considered one of the most durable objects in the Marvel universe even by heavy hitters, which is why Wolverine can always take bloodlusted hits from Hulk and get right back up it's also why his claws have the sharp cutting power to cut/maim heavy hitters like Thor/Hulk and especially Thing. IIRC They tried to equate Raiden's high-frequency blade=antarctic vibranium but those aren't really the same since vibranium only really works because it's an anti-metal (it's adamantium's kryptonite)
Whereas the High Frequency Blade doesn't bypass durability it just weakens the durability of the molecular bonds that it strikes making it easier to cut. It's never cut a material anywhere near as durable as Adamantium and it has shown an upper limit when Raiden broke his HF blade on Armstrong's nanomachine skin. If say Muramasa didn't break like Raiden's HF blade did and he did attempt to lower the adamantium's durability down enough to be able to cut it (let's say the weakening effect directly correlates to the force of each strike) with the 100 kt they gave Raiden's cutting power (and scaling adamantium's durability from Thor/BRB's breaking a star eater) it would take 6.602136e+31 full-powered strikes to the same area for him to cut it. Which even factoring in their Relativistic reactions spot for Raiden (11.7% c/35,188,682.02m/s) would still take 1.8762101e+24 seconds (59 Quadrillion years) of striking the same spot at full strength to cut it or the more likely result would be that it would break like with the aforementioned Armstrong incident.
Meh, regardless of how hard adamantium itself is it feels like wank to say you need a solar system level+ character to beat fucking Wolverine. Let's not get carried away. He still has the drowning weakness (something I remember being brought up many times in comics) and he killed his own son Daken (who has similar regeneration to himself) by drowning him in just a pool of his own blood. So someone physically stronger than him could do the same to him. It would take a while but I could see Raiden eventually trying something like that if they had a long battle.
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Wolverine has come back from having all the flesh nuked off his skeleton so drowning/death by organ failure in the lungs is more just PIS.
Drowning being a weakness of his has been brought up too consistently to ignore. Most times he's faced with that situation he has to get saved by someone else.
His son canonically dying of that weakness only reinforces it.
It's not at all an outlier, whereas you could argue the whole skeleton nuke thing is an extreme high-end.
Wolverine also has the weakness of getting knocked out by characters on his level, not necessarily heralds. Unless you really want to vouch for solar system level+ Spider-Man.
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Which you could argue is just a case of incapacitation rather than permanent death
It happened again when he and Jean Grey took a dip into the sun, Wolverine's whole schtick is regenerating from severe body damage and his regeneration of entire organs is way more consistent than instances of death by lack of oxygen to organs (same organs he recovers)
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Nobody is saying he's solar system level just the durability of his adamantium skeleton is, you don't need to be solar system level to hurt him you need to be that level to break adamantium which Spider-Man isn't strong enough to do. And DB doesn't do win by knockouts, knocking someone out is also a common form of PIS like when Mojo Jojo knocked out bubbles or when Spider-Man gets knocked out by a human with a bat.
Well it's considered a death in-universe
And iirc Daken (who again, has the same regen as Wolvie) was dead for YEARS after he was drowned. Only getting resurrected by some Magic BS with Apocalypse making him a horseman or something like that. Not through his own regen.
So that makes just twice right? I still think Wolverine's drowning weakness has been brought up more often than that.
I could find more scans of it if you like.
It's obvious different writers portray his regen differently. But I still think more often than not he's supposed to have some clear limitations, with drowning being one of them.
Normally for more high-end regen he needs amps, like he needed an alien crystal amping his regen for him to come back from a drop of blood
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He also got nuked in a venom storyline
You're not gonna bring up more instances of drowning then I can of Wolverine regenerating from fatal organ damage. He's been pulling that trick since the 70s.
Even if they did go by drowning that would only be a victory based on the fight environment that they themselves give them, there was none and that was not an option.
In addition to Daken's explanation here's five more instances.
And interestingly I found Logan also brought up he thinks he would die being thrown into the sun.
A pool of his own blood would suffice. Drowning isn't impossible without water specifically.
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All that really proves is that he proved himself wrong by coming back from it...he's never tried to survive getting sun dipped hell when it did happen he expected to just die anyway but he survived.
High ends are only dismissible for one off outliers he has consistently regenerated from nothing but his skeleton all instances are accepted here and you most definitely can't say that him regenerating from fatally damaged organs is an outlier because again he does that in nearly every fight he's been in for the past 40 years
That's never happened before it's a bit of a stretch to say that would happen here especially since he can just regenerate the damage that's leaking blood.