doubt that something Raiden would know or resort to
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can i get a scan of that
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The whole context is that he and Jean wanted to find a way off the satellite before it crashes to the sun but the burnt air molecules from the Sun's proximity made it too difficult for her to control her psychic power and they couldn't think of a way off in time so he just decided to at least go out in a blaze of glory with Jean but the sun happen to re-awaken her phoenix powers when it killed her.
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Fine, I guess.
Can you point to a specific instance where he came back from brain death while still being subjected to what made his brain die? Looking at the sun scan you posted he only started regenerating after Jean pulled him out of the sun.
Deathbattle doesn't allow outside help. And I still don't think Daken's death should be ignored so you could just chalk that up to Daken being left brain dead for too long.
With Zandatsu Raiden can slo-mo cut Wolverine more than enough times to draw enough blood.
Why not? Raiden isn’t an idiot. And without scaling Wolvie to characters way above his pay grade Raiden should have an immutable reaction speed advantage (especially with Zandatsu).
It's literally just process of elimination. Go through all the possible options until you hit the right one.
We may have to agree to disagree at some point. But I just personally feel Wolverine is a bit overrated even when it comes to his regen. It at least seems pretty explicit to me that characters like Deadpool and Hulk are supposed to have better regen than him (I.E it isn’t complete vaporization or bust to kill him like it is with them).
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Per the cast,
They MAY tease the season premiere at Magfest this weekend.
They MAY tease the season premiere at Magfest this weekend.
Ballots #4
Bendy Cuphead- Don’t really wanna do it because it would put themselves in a direct competition against themselves with the DBX’s quality
Knuckles Juggs- fun and Liam’s most wanted for Jugg, would not be surprised to see it happen
Kazuma Subaru- interested and a lot of people in the office like Konosuba
Potemkin Iron- GG is cool, talked about Moby Dick more than the MU itself
Alebedo Surge- Absolutely nothing
Jacket Trevor- think Jacket wins and his game is fun
Bowser Eggman- “yeah I mean… yeah” such a obvious matchup, think army fight would be cool Annie Linnie- Skullgirls is cool Baku Kaiji- like Kaiji, think a mind game DB is cool in concept
Arceus Jubileus- weird,
Liam wouldn’t mind a Dante vs Bayo 2
Garfeild Snoopy- so weird, don’t know what to say but could be fun… actually detest Garfield but love Snoopy and Peanuts
Wick Pierce- Watchdogs is so weird fight wise but needs to fight another hacker, suggested Adam Jenson, V, and Deus Ex Guy
Tom Wile E- “It’s great” love it way more than Tom Sylvester Shade Shoren- nothing to say
Deku Izuru- “we should have Deku at some point” so these are recorded way in advance I guess and would love Dagnarompa, Junko came to mind (said Joker would be cool)
Asura Adam- Liam took over for this one, “RoR anime sucks, his hopes for it coming to DB plummeted but the manga is coo
l” Majima Trevor- Majima is so funny
Raiden MechaGodzilla- really weird but really cool and be really fun to animate, think Raiden wins
Ori Knight- love HK, Ori is good Cap Ichigo- “pretty fucking sick
” Gigan Zetton- Don’t know Ultraman at all, would do Ultraman first however but don’t have an opponent in mind Armstrong Valentine- would be sick, very fun banter
Vilgax Dominator- definitely want Vilgax, could be cool
Bendy Cuphead- Don’t really wanna do it because it would put themselves in a direct competition against themselves with the DBX’s quality
Knuckles Juggs- fun and Liam’s most wanted for Jugg, would not be surprised to see it happen
Kazuma Subaru- interested and a lot of people in the office like Konosuba
Potemkin Iron- GG is cool, talked about Moby Dick more than the MU itself
Alebedo Surge- Absolutely nothing
Jacket Trevor- think Jacket wins and his game is fun
Bowser Eggman- “yeah I mean… yeah” such a obvious matchup, think army fight would be cool Annie Linnie- Skullgirls is cool Baku Kaiji- like Kaiji, think a mind game DB is cool in concept
Arceus Jubileus- weird,
Liam wouldn’t mind a Dante vs Bayo 2
Garfeild Snoopy- so weird, don’t know what to say but could be fun… actually detest Garfield but love Snoopy and Peanuts
Wick Pierce- Watchdogs is so weird fight wise but needs to fight another hacker, suggested Adam Jenson, V, and Deus Ex Guy
Tom Wile E- “It’s great” love it way more than Tom Sylvester Shade Shoren- nothing to say
Deku Izuru- “we should have Deku at some point” so these are recorded way in advance I guess and would love Dagnarompa, Junko came to mind (said Joker would be cool)
Asura Adam- Liam took over for this one, “RoR anime sucks, his hopes for it coming to DB plummeted but the manga is coo
l” Majima Trevor- Majima is so funny
Raiden MechaGodzilla- really weird but really cool and be really fun to animate, think Raiden wins
Ori Knight- love HK, Ori is good Cap Ichigo- “pretty fucking sick
” Gigan Zetton- Don’t know Ultraman at all, would do Ultraman first however but don’t have an opponent in mind Armstrong Valentine- would be sick, very fun banter
Vilgax Dominator- definitely want Vilgax, could be cool
OrlandoSky
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If anything they should do a rematch of Eggman vs Wily since that one didn't have any real winner and was more or less just used for Ben to convince Craig to hire animators for future episodes (because single-handedly researching/writing/animating every episode in two weeks while being part of other SA projects was killing him, I think he might have also been attending college at the time too).
And then you remember that the whole X-Men Krakoa shit has Wolverine and Nightcrawler both dying by falling into the Sun.
Wolverine's regen is inconsistency incarnate, fucking hellAnd then you remember that the whole X-Men Krakoa shit has Wolverine and Nightcrawler both dying by falling into the Sun.
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Oh we’re back on this train again 
Tbf his death was off-screen and there’s no atmosphere or oxygen on the sun it’s likely being stuck in the sun that killed him since his healing factor and skeleton are what made him survive much longer than Nightcrawler who was instavapped
Tbf his death was off-screen and there’s no atmosphere or oxygen on the sun it’s likely being stuck in the sun that killed him since his healing factor and skeleton are what made him survive much longer than Nightcrawler who was instavapped
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If you're going to place emphasis on that than you can't really ignore that there'd also be no breathable oxygen if he's drowned in a pool of bloodOh we’re back on this train again
Tbf his death was off-screen and there’s no atmosphere or oxygen on the sun it’s likely being stuck in the sun that killed him since his healing factor and skeleton are what made him survive much longer than Nightcrawler who was instavapped
So again, unless someone pulls him out (outside help, which isn't allowed in a DB) he'll stay brain dead for as long he's left there until it becomes permanent. Just like his son, Daken.
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Again I don’t think you understand the circumstances here, you can’t drown in your own blood if your own internal wounds heal before it has anywhere near enough time to drown you, the closest you’re gonna get is him coughing up blood. Raiden would need to inflict some permanent and specific internal damage for that to be a possibility and that’s not happening with how Logan’s body heals especially not with a plasma blade that can cauterize fleshIf you're going to place emphasis on that than you can't really ignore that there'd also be no breathable oxygen if he's drowned in a pool of blood
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Blade Mode gives more than enough reaction time to slash Wolverine like 1,000+ times within the span of a second. You cannot tell me most of the blood in his body wouldn't pool on the ground as a result of that.
Heck, in a way him regenerating more blood just makes it so more blood will come out from each cut.
We already know Wolverine's flesh and muscles <<<<<< his adamantium bones by orders of magnitude. So don't give me that "he'd only cough up blood" nonsense. Literally any part of Logan's body that isn't his skeleton being cut would just add to the bloody chunks on the ground. And that can add up.
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First of all the speed difference between them isn’t that large that he would cut him a thousand times before he would react second, internal bleeding is almost completely out of the question with a blade that like a lightsaber can cauterize flesh it cuts, third it takes seconds for blood to squeeze out of open wounds regardless of speed, the cut itself doesn’t at all effect how fast the victim’s blood will leak out.
With the boost Raiden's reaction speed gets from Blade Mode it is. Even without it he can play hop-scotch with missiles. Blade Mode only takes that even further, to the point he can blitz people who can react to his normal speed.
Nah, you can just see in the game itself the massive amounts of blood Raiden can draw with his HF blade from slicing people up. It's not a lightsaber it's a high-frequency blade. It's vibrations weaken molecular bonds, they don't hold them together.
And let me break it down. There is no way Wolverine's wounds can close faster than blood can come out when Raiden is continually cutting him before the wounds can even close. The blood will just continually leak as long as the combo goes on for.
And another thing I haven't brought up yet. Even without using Blade Mode's speed, Raiden can just use his strength advantage to physically restrain Logan's wrists to the ground (making it so there's no chance Logan can use his claws to counter-attack since he can't physically overpower Raiden to get out of his grasp) and wield his blade with his feet to continually cut Wolverine and make more blood come out. Raiden's fighting style incorporates capoeira and allows him to wield his blade with his feet after all.
I got to get to work soon. So i'll have to continue this after I get back. But I will say, it's been fun debating with you @OrlandoSky 
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Logan like pretty much most of street tiers in Marvel is MHS in reactions (in the triple digits) Raiden with blade mode is quadruple digit mach reactions to low sub-relativistic, that's not that huge of a speed difference (around x10 faster).
No, you see the wounds will just regenerate and close up, there's not nearly enough time for blood to pull up in the lungs, especially with a moving target like Logan. It doesn't matter how many times he cuts him the wounds will heal. This strategy goes on a lot of assumptions that Raiden would think or try to drown a dude who can regenerate in his own blood and that Wolverine (A guy that automatically quicktime heal every cut and wound on his body would drown in his own blood)
He can't cut him with his feet while restraining his wrists to the ground especially when he can't cut through Logan's skeleton, for one thing his legs are too long and Logan is only 5'3" he's not gonna reach his lungs with upside down blade kicks that way. He's never done this with anyone by restraining them down while cutting him thats not his style and seeing he can't through his opponent entirely he's gonna wanna witch strategies. Hell Logan could probably just headbutt him off we see police baton sticks can hurt Raiden so it's not like a physical assault from an above average human can't knock him off balance especially when he's trying to do a balancing act on his rests while simultaneously trying to restrain him and aim for his lungs continuously
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Gotta go for a five hour drive to visit family myself
But I will say, it's been fun debating with you @OrlandoSky
