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Game Ranked Dune Mafia - town victory

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inb4 "you look like the clown in the picture" kek
 
Yes, if both Flower and the Town Jailer died, and my role died, Watson's role unlocked the ability to recruit T-Pein's role, as long as he hadn't already been recruited. I think that should not have been in the game and am glad it wasn't put into play.

Mafia also would not be able to do a faction kill that night if they tried to recruit. This was based on Gram's GOT game when Lannisters could attempt to recruit Jaime after Tywin dieing.
 
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If your complaint was with the Hider over a safer investigation role, or rather, a role that doesn't need to die to return a guilty result, I would be in agreement with you. But your argument is to try and establish that the numbers were somehow skewed against your town, to a greater degree than they actually were.

Let's just use how the game acrually went to demonstrate this. If Town mislynched Day 7, that would be their third mislynch. Alongside a Vig misfire, losing in that scenario is probably fair. Now, you may have noticed an issue here - statistically, you would expect an Indie to kill after 2 cycles. The extra number takes it from F4 to F3, which doesn't change the number of lynches the town has. And also, there was cross fire, because the Mafia killed the Indie. So in assuming a reasonable case, the town have a minimum of 4 errors - 3 mislynches and a Vig kill.

It's definitely on the skinny end of being fair. The numbers are very tight. But trying to peddle that they have this "two mislynch allowance" etc is just bunk, it's not true or even relevant to the outcome.

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I don't really care to argue about this and I'm not trying to push an agenda, I think it's kind of self evident it's not exactly favored for town hypothetically and in practice based on a rough sketch of the setup numbers. We can argue about the final details all day but seem to have the same conclusion.
 
I don’t even know what it is you’re trying to do here other than start an argument. You’re just making a fool of yourself really lol, not even worth replying to
not at all, im ending one

indulge me seriously for a sec tho, which scum did u really catch first. im giving credit where credit is due and all that
 
But tbf, the Indy not killing was lucky for us as statistically they’re far more likely to hit town than mafia. You guys killing the Indy instead of another town was also very lucky for us. On another day that could have taken 2-3 more townies away from us lol
I don't think it's very lucky. I think the chances of one or the other happening are quite high statistically. The chances of both happening are obviously slim, but that would be why you had an extra number going into the final day this game.

I don't know where you're getting 3 extra town deaths from. I count two. At which point, you probably don't use the Hider at all, because the numbers can't be risked.
 
There is an element of swing here because if the Indies join together, they essentially become a smaller Mafia, at which point you're expecting some crossfire at some point.
 
i think the numbers r okay, we were 1 more town controlled death away from losing which is fair given we've already caused 3.5 and we're up against 4 mafia

im counting the indie lynch as a half
vig missfire is 1
2 mislynches are 2

thats 4 town controlled kills that arent hitting mafia

the game coming to lylo is perfectly fine as a result of this. im not counting the hider as a town controlled death because it's intended for that role to die and out mafia. it's factored into the design itself

if we mislynch last day that'd be 4.5 town controlled non mafia kills, against a team of 4. think that's very fair

if the indies survive longer it means we statistically had a higher chance of lynching mafia day 2 instead of the indie, which forces the indie to kill town and equalize, or vice versa if we mislynched day 2. basically i don't think indie dying early means setup is unbalanced either
 
I don't think it's very lucky. I think the chances of one or the other happening are quite high statistically. The chances of both happening are obviously slim, but that would be why you had an extra number going into the final day this game.

I don't know where you're getting 3 extra town deaths from. I count two. At which point, you probably don't use the Hider at all, because the numbers can't be risked.
Well 2 is assuming the Indy only kills once which is still pretty rare. They’re usually good for 2 kills at least
 
not at all, im ending one

indulge me seriously for a sec tho, which scum did u really catch first. im giving credit where credit is due and all that
You’re arguing in complete bad faith you fucking dipshit. Either that or you’re lying about reading day 2, in which case even pretending to have an informed opinion is bad faith anyway. Lynching Watson was not on anybody’s lips whatsoever until me. At best someone else probably said she’s in poe, or they want more from here or whatever. The two wagons were ultra and flower, with no other considerations except a small window on fang right up until Watson posted her vote for flower, in which I responded and absolutely nailed her and advocated her lynch, got some momentum and forced ratchet to extend himself and defend her, which then made me say “ratchet and Watson locked in for 2 slots. Who’s the other 2?”, which then caused them to panic and instruct Watson to quick hammer flower (and if you read the scum chat, they were even willing to dirty RDK to get that done too). The quick hammer essentially outted her, and dropped ratchet from a comfy position in which he can push ultra and very nearly get him lynched to being in the back foot and having to defend himself and push fang for tbe rest of the game.

I was also all over fang on D1 too and outlined his meta perfectly, which as CP said, fang proved right in real time.

Adding to that me trying to stop the sparkles lynch, reading ichigo town that got mislynched also, reading CP town very early on when ultra was getting sus of him

I don’t even know why I’m bothering to engage with this absolute nonsense. You truly are a fucking muppet that does not understand how to play mafia whatsoever
 
Also not that I really suspected haza himself, but I also correctly deduced that mafia wouldn’t have a godfather and thus we shouldn’t trust a cop claim before a single mafia had even flipped. Something which I was sussing haza for softing at the time
 
Well 2 is assuming the Indy only kills once which is still pretty rare. They’re usually good for 2 kills at least
They had to douse first though - one would need to be alive through 4 days to get two kills, and even then, that assumes no crossfire which is not that likely as you get later in the game.
 
You’re arguing in complete bad faith you fucking dipshit. Either that or you’re lying about reading day 2, in which case even pretending to have an informed opinion is bad faith anyway. Lynching Watson was not on anybody’s lips whatsoever until me. At best someone else probably said she’s in poe, or they want more from here or whatever. The two wagons were ultra and flower, with no other considerations except a small window on fang right up until Watson posted her vote for flower, in which I responded and absolutely nailed her and advocated her lynch, got some momentum and forced ratchet to extend himself and defend her, which then made me say “ratchet and Watson locked in for 2 slots. Who’s the other 2?”, which then caused them to panic and instruct Watson to quick hammer flower (and if you read the scum chat, they were even willing to dirty RDK to get that done too). The quick hammer essentially outted her, and dropped ratchet from a comfy position in which he can push ultra and very nearly get him lynched to being in the back foot and having to defend himself and push fang for tbe rest of the game.

I was also all over fang on D1 too and outlined his meta perfectly, which as CP said, fang proved right in real time.

Adding to that me trying to stop the sparkles lynch, reading ichigo town that got mislynched also, reading CP town very early on when ultra was getting sus of him

I don’t even know why I’m bothering to engage with this absolute nonsense. You truly are a fucking muppet that does not understand how to play mafia whatsoever
this isn't accurate, read beginning of day 2

im talking around the time you made this post, legit gad luka tpein and even ultra/cp where coming around to watson being scum. ultra said swap watson for gad in his scum list, luka added her, gad had watson as scum right as he entered day 2 and voted her, tpein was down to yeet her and pushed her. cp was reading her town start of day 2 but iso'd her posts and come around to her or flower being scum

go to here and read everyone's position toward watson versus yours. you were not the first in any capacity

Watson solving post is more or less what I expect of her as town

you came way after. heck even OLU chimed in on her a bit before you did

im not arguing in bad faith or whatever, im laying it out how i see it
 
guys can we get alcos claim plz before y’all kill ultra
lots of ppl were susing watson and this was ur post at the time

sure u sused watson end of day or whatever, but saying "nobody wanted to yeet her until i did" is flat out lying
 
Saying I think someone is sus/might be sus first is less than worthless if you’re not pushing it. Pushing it itself isn’t much better unless you get traction on it

Actually I can see why you’re arguing this point, if we gave points for saying someone is sus first you’d be winning MVP on D1 every game :bosque1:
 
Saying I think someone is sus/might be sus first is less than worthless if you’re not pushing it. Pushing it itself isn’t much better unless you get traction on it

Actually I can see why you’re arguing this point, if we gave points for saying someone is sus first you’d be winning MVP on D1 every game :bosque1:
Obviously, you should say everyone is sus in your first post, then you can guarantee MVP every game.
 
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