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Hans Tweetenberg said:
Even if I grant him immunity from being sussed for logical inconsistency, I can detect nothing towny in his posts, quite literally no thought I can buy as genuine. Contrast that with MHW where the two kept interchanging all the way through.
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What are you looking for relative to his posts in MHW?
 
Aurelian said:
I don't think there's enough votes to get my lynch yet but I'm honestly worried you guys are gonna force my hand on role claiming to survive this frankly bullshit case at me. megacomfy
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You already put yourself in a corner claim-wise though by saying you won't be lynched today
 
Grammaton said:
It would only make sense from his perspective if your point here is that he’s a total moron who legitimately has no idea how to play on even a completely basic level

Is that what you were going for?
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Grammaton said:
It would only make sense from his perspective if your point here is that he’s a total moron who legitimately has no idea how to play on even a completely basic level

Is that what you were going for?
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Um, what I'm going for is that wg/nf players overvalue roles and feel wrongly prosecuted or extremely defensive when they have a good role and are being pushed as if everyone around them shouldn't have let this happen.

See raem claiming as cop in your game
 
Magic said:
This is what I was referring to might be the reasons for his departure from how he responded to pressure last game fwiw and why I asked him what his role was there.

It's what I got from him stating odo wasn't being cautious in pushing him. As that made no sense unless he had a good role. Still makes sense as odo wouldn't know that or care, but from aurelians perspective it makes sense.
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It makes sense to me because Odo historically has never followed up much on BPD's suspicions and plenty of the games they've played together here he's either been a) extremely hesitant in following BPD's lead or outright tended to not favor them unless someone he's familiar with then he would as the b) was playing aggressively as scum. BPD already has a bad track record of batting at other townies and lighting them up as scum by tunneling them.

Hans Tweetenberg said:
Even if I grant him immunity from being sussed for logical inconsistency, I can detect nothing towny in his posts, quite literally no thought I can buy as genuine. Contrast that with MHW where the two kept interchanging all the way through.
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Why aren't you looking at the paused/Fate game? Because my day 1 is exactly the same there.
 
Aurelian said:
It makes sense to me because Odo historically has never followed up much on BPD's suspicions and plenty of the games they've played together here he's either been a) extremely hesitant in following BPD's lead or outright tended to not favor them unless someone he's familiar with then he would as the b) was playing aggressively as scum. BPD already has a bad track record of batting at other townies and lighting them up as scum by tunneling them.


Why aren't you looking at the paused/Fate game? Because my day 1 is exactly the same there.
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M8 odo read on you is not because of bpds read on you or anything related to bpd. It's your reaction to his suspicion. That player could have been anyone but if the reaction was the same odo point would be the same.

If you want to defend yourself here say based on bpd extensive history on being wrong about you it led to you just outright dismissing and insulting him. There is no basis in saying odo is doing his push because of bpd.
 
Aurelian said:
It makes sense to me because Odo historically has never followed up much on BPD's suspicions and plenty of the games they've played together here he's either been a) extremely hesitant in following BPD's lead or outright tended to not favor them unless someone he's familiar with then he would as the b) was playing aggressively as scum. BPD already has a bad track record of batting at other townies and lighting them up as scum by tunneling them.


Why aren't you looking at the paused/Fate game? Because my day 1 is exactly the same there.
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Odo's vote was already on you before bpd said anything to you lol
 
Aurelian said:
I didn't insult them.
I mocked BPD, that was about the tail end of that.

No, I had correctly figured him out:

- immediately vote him and get called OMGUS
- immediately give a long winded response to why BPD's post was stupid and he'd argue I was already prepared for it
- so as I said before I was damned if I did, and damned if I didn't

I never gaslight him though? He presented an argument that he claimed BPD's entire interaction with me wasn't relevant to his suspicion of me. His argument and pushing me came immediately after I dismissed BPD who had nothing substantial to add or input and my posts were the same as they were in the last game, lock, step, and key to the t. Grammaton then said he had me "pinned" basically as scum since my first post but never alluded to this until much later when he kept banging on about how I had nothing to add and was grasping by insulting BPD.

Disagree hard.
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I don't even disagree that arguing with BPD is futile fwiw

Sure he sussed you directly after BPD did but like he kept saying, he's not piggybacking off of BPDs reasoning if there was any. The two votes are independent of one another.
 
Hans Tweetenberg said:
He's like the main guy who's batting for you right now though?
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I was talking about Odo/Grammaton to Magic.
Magic said:
M8 odo read on you is not because of bpds read on you or anything related to bpd. It's your reaction to his suspicion. That player could have been anyone but if the reaction was the same odo point would be the same.
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And I'm saying I don't trust it.

I'm not going to take his word at face value and trust it from there. He's given me no reason to trust him when he's used repeated strawman arguments and twisted my words over and over again to try and paint me as scum.
Magic said:
If you want to defend yourself here say based on bpd extensive history on being wrong about you it led to you just outright dismissing and insulting him. There is no basis in saying odo is doing his push because of bpd.
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I mean I did follow up with this stuff and he never once referenced he "suspected" me immediately before anything about BPD, he insisted BPD wasn't "material" to it then much later near the very end did he say he had me "figured" before that but kept saying it was my reaction. Its contradictory on his end.
 
Hans Tweetenberg said:
I can't even put my finger on that tbh. Some thoughts I can buy as genuine even though I disagree with them would be a start though.
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I agree with you that generally debating X/BPD can be a futile waste of time but I dislike the fact you aren't even looking at the Fate game before it when my posts, fluff in day 1, and my actual game/player solving were and are the same as they are here.
 
Aurelian said:
I was talking about Odo/Grammaton to Magic.

And I'm saying I don't trust it.

I'm not going to take his word at face value and trust it from there. He's given me no reason to trust him when he's used repeated strawman arguments and twisted my words over and over again to try and paint me as scum.

I mean I did follow up with this stuff and he never once referenced he "suspected" me immediately before anything about BPD, he insisted BPD wasn't "material" to it then much later near the very end did he say he had me "figured" before that but kept saying it was my reaction. Its contradictory on his end.
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This is hell and I’m in it

I am very curious to know when I said I had you figured before BPD posted to you. I’m all ears
 
Magic said:
Do you often say this? Otherwise it's a copy and paste of what you said last game which feels a bit forced.
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Why do you think its forced?

Grammaton said:
This is hell and I’m in it

I am very curious to know when I said I had you figured before BPD posted to you. I’m all ears
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Nah I'm not doing another 30+ posts going back and forth with you. That time is past.
 
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