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Game Ranked Hades Mafia - Game Thread

i felt something was off when luka or someone called watson dumb and she just heart reacted it. watson usually gets very angry when someone calls her that

as i mentioned im my initial catchup she came off not interested in solving luka, but rather just wanna be left alone and now shes just FROZEN with me leading after just finding an excuse to jump on my wagon

luka gon take this L for getting poketed like that. sad!

can you clarify, you think she's currently frozen opposed to, ya know, asleep/not around?
 
my read of you hasn't changed. you still haven't claimed. you still aren't giving that same aggravating feeling you generate as town. you could be indy, but i dont really care to speculate there.

it's 732 am in texas, dont really think it's fair to say she's hiding opposed to sleeping and that seems opportunistic.

also ratchet has been underwhelming to say the least. he looks pretty good for the ekko stuff early on but otherwise his impact has largely been missing.
 
what's your read on me?

do you have one?

which other pushes from ultra did you like?
You're N/A. I can't read you yet and, at least when I'm on here, you haven't been super active. Let's talk now. As for Boobies, I'll ISO him right now. Know that it's mostly how he's pushing more so than whom he's pushing that made me think he's town but hey, that might change now.
vote retro


idk what gad's hint is but i dont think his wagon is really viable so retro it is.
Appreciate it. I'd rather not too many people know anyways
 
my read of you hasn't changed. you still haven't claimed. you still aren't giving that same aggravating feeling you generate as town. you could be indy, but i dont really care to speculate there.

it's 732 am in texas, dont really think it's fair to say she's hiding opposed to sleeping and that seems opportunistic.

also ratchet has been underwhelming to say the least. he looks pretty good for the ekko stuff early on but otherwise his impact has largely been missing.
whats the hold up? i dont plan on being neither aggrevating nor pushy. im still doing my part, giving reads (that you now agree with partially). why r u trying to solve me via tone more than content like i dont produce content as town?

and im pretty sure watson and aurelian tend to post before going to work and at night. in fact if she doesn't post now there is a chance she doesnt post till the end of day because shell be at work

i know this because i tried to throw sus on her in himes game and she was there in those times to defend herself

her last post was like 4pm my time. shes usually able to post at night and evening so she had ample time to do so
 
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This is the entire interaction. My point was subtle but clear enough: why are you spending so much time establishing a read and investing yourself on it with Orca whose at this point in the game done nothing of real value. You mentioned earlier to Poyser you saw it in Orca's own way when you think of his town play as being "proactive". At the same time you say you constantly can't grasp Craig's alignment when reading him compared to everyone else. So my point was why are you spending so much time getting so riled up and focused on saving face for Orca instead of working toward other players that are harder for you to play?
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Im going to give you the time of day as you put effort into this, but arguing with you, as i stated previously, won't do much in terms of helping me with your alignment.

let me be clear on this: i dont understand your point.

the reason i spent time on orca is because i was answering questions about orca aimed at me, largely for poyser. it would be like if you were accused of spending so much time focusing on my slot in this time span when you were in reality just responding to my mentions/questions. i answered questions then did my read back.

to get to the gist of your point, if you look at the rest of my posts youll see i spent quite a bit of time on most players as i read back and it wasn't just orca, you, or a few. spending additional time on craig won't do me much good. i won't refrain from reading him, but ill use flips to read him. if ekko and/or watson are scum he's going to be town as 1) craig doesn't buss without reason 2) he doesn't like bussing 3) he doesn't buss active teammates. he considers it unfun and that's more of a principle thing than a meta as he could abandon if he so wanted but i dont believe he wants to. it's similar to me preferring not to kill stronger players, it's more related to keeping the game fun.

This reminds me of how you generally play both sides when you slip into your scum-hunting mode as mafia. You think this was me setting you up for some kind of trap I prepared for you? Why do I need anything more then to ask you a question to see if your being honest or lying to my face? Why do you to take the view I'm going to use whatever you say to try and railroad you on it?

Your making a lot of awful big assumptions about what was a relatively innocuous question and statement surrounding your play with Orca.

Ofc

Why are you thinking my post to T-Pein was honestly serious? :biden

it wasn't me thinking you were setting it up as a trap nor any assumptions. it was the fact you did use it against me despite you being the one that brought it up. apparently you asked the question as you were confused as to why i wouldnt spend more time on people i struggle to read opposed to orca, but my overall point is that it was pre-emptive to even do any of that since i had just got back into the thread and from my overall time spent not much of it was spent on orca. if i did the argument with poyser the whole phase youd have a stronger point.

idk what you mean by the tpein thing. you said you saw a red flag in ekko then it went nowhere and you voted melkor even tho the red flag you saw in ekko was because he didnt go for melkor. basically you voting melkor didnt make sense to me after you accused ekko of a red flag for not going after melkor.
 
ratchet is my main guess for indie. i agree hes being too reserved

i dont think this day is hard for him to contribute anything as scum because this day has been pretty much a freebie for mafia

need pressure. down to get claim too
 
You keep going for absolute "do you see this guy as scum or town?" and "why this line of thought if you aren't gonna do whatever"? I don't like anything of Ekko's early play and directions. As I said to Ultra, I neither town nor scum read him, since historically I've been under pressure to generally clearly catch his correct alignment in most games. Also why does my quote matter if its memorable or not vs if I am potentially scum and you want to imply I have tmi or something.
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that isnt going for anything in absolutes. that's making you take a firm position as i expect out of everyone otherwise everyone just sits the fence.

if you dont like any of ekko's early play or directions id expect you to scum read him, not have him as a null. if you think it's a red flag he doesnt go after melkor then i dont expect you to end up voting melkor instead of ekko. it doesn't track.

because he is the main wagon that was being pushed and it was a main topic and the fact you had him as a red flag but didnt partake in the wagon was off and thus memorable.


What don't you like about my play? I thought you considered yourself an expert in reading me when I'm whatever alignment. And how was my progression and focus on you not make sense? I came out of the gate saying in my posts focused on you that your play doesn't have me supporting a view of seeing your normal townie play and I've continued from there.

Your pivoting and shifting a lot here tbdean.

Why no read on me tho?

i consider myself an expert on everyone!

the progression didnt make much sense as you made a leading question that looked like it was always going to land on suspecting me. i still think that. no matter who i answered to your question of "who do you struggle to read" you would have made the point "why not spend time on that player/those players opposed to orca". that's why the question wasn't as innocent as youre playing it off. it was always going to have the same post.

what is my normal townie play?
 
On second thought

[Vote lynch Ekko]

I think you're opening with this to play into expectation of being obsessed with indies. This feels like a characature of yourself.
This is the first post that kinda made me think he's on team town @Magic. I feel like it forced Ekko into taking a stance, for example, instead of tryna distance and maybe leave an opening for claiming it was fluff. I've only seen Ekko be scum once before and the quality of his reads are very similar. Low-effort and kinda bullshit
Honestly even if it's not an attack on Luka itself it's a general sentiment against trying to solve and call people town, which seems like a kneejerk reaction to put on the brakes as scum. I don't really recall you taking issue with this sort of thing before.
This is a good post and observation. I don't necessarily agree with it, but it's inquisitive.
Ol' reliable tactic of puffing out your chest and then ducking away like a pussy eh?

:heston

Would be down to yeet this too
This is in tune with his last game with lolDupla as a townie. I like it.
Doesn't feel like Melkor's questions drive at anything he wishes to actually uncover before popping a vote on Dofla
Melkor was fluffing a lot at this point and I was feeling the same when this post was made.
I guess my gripe with this is that it kinda feels like you're working backwards from chainsawing Luka. Like my surface level impression is that you sound like scum who is TMI'ing a townie and using that to push others. Because from my understanding, you aren't quite town reading Luka either so this doesn't add up to me.
This is straight from Boobie's playbook as well. The only thing I didn't like about it is that he knows that this is how Nipples plays now, he's had enough games to see that. But still, it reads town to me.
You could not possibly deconstruct this theory in a way that isn't obviously nonsensical

:hestonpls

I do get that you do it for reactions or whatever, what I'm saying is that you're doing it in a bit more forceful way than last game. I know you're capable of doing it as scum too. So if this gimmick is all you got to offer, thatsa problem
This one here too. The dolphin was definitely more inquisitive last game compared to how he was here. I kinda remember thinking the same but I got a little busy after this and fell off. Maybe I can do that now.

Either way, I'm confident about Boobies, that answer your question Maple Buddy?
 
Mate why are you getting so antsy over this accusation, if its a shit one why do you keep falling back to it? Your struggling to paint a picture of what your trying to push here.

that was my first time bringing up the melkor thing. you also didnt answer the question. what looked like coordination to you there?

Why are you speaking for Ekko? How does it connect with you in any way that matters?
i wasn't, i was asking you a question. youve avoided answering the question.
Why do I have to wait for your response?
you don't, but that goes back to what i said that the answer never mattered and the question was never innocent. it was a question to simply end up sussing me.


This is also true.
poyser gets into rambling arguments where he ends up mad and frustrated that the other person isn't making sense. im not doing that. im trying to determine your alignment because i often find you easily town and haven't yet this game.


I think this is Magic's agenda tbdean.
what is the agenda? he didnt even mention an agenda.
Why in this game all of a sudden is my progression, suspicion, and distrust to your slot in somehow now befuddling and confusing to you that you can't get a typical read where your 99.9% right regarding my slot as town in every other game? What changes here compared to past experience?

I'm being proactive here, isn't that a townie sign you look for usually, mon ami?
because your distrust and suspicion was pre-emptive. i came into the thread and you made it seem like i spent a lot of time on orca when in reality i was responding to my mentions/quotes then moved on. you asked me a question with a pre-emptive motive of sussing me with it.

in most games you do stuff like what you accused me earlier on of, as in coordinating with melkor to do whatever. it's not the reality, but in your mind that's what youre seeing. here you didnt elaborate on that at all and have instead been streamlined in thought and accusations.

being proactive is not how i town read you, no, nor will i state how i town read you as you might end up doing it!
 
I think your read list sucks but go ahead and pressure me if you can. I'm sticking with this new game plan from heaven to hell if it requires that. You do you.

what is your new gameplan?

why is it that you OMGUS all the time yet ekko susses you and you suddenly have no appetite for it due to your new gameplan?
 
ill come back to that. its 03:30. been doing school work late. ill check up on ultra after i skimmed his posts.

dont worry, i respect you to much. ill look into you to. you are so big and scary that i wanted to wait with you.

but seeing one the posting, the ones votin on dolfy is ratchet adn melkor, together with me.
i had my summy vibes of melkor and ratchet folloing suit, seems like a sus move to.
ekko have been oneof my main scummy reads, due to their aggereive nature this game.
So keep lookout for ratchet adn melkor

[change vote lynch ekko]
do you not think ekko is aggressive in most games? what is the difference in his aggression this game from other games?
 
You know, fwiw, Gram just mentioned that he rebalanced the game to fit 21 players, and I don't think that confirms in any way that it was to make space for an indie. The confidence best buddy has in hunting indie kinda stinks. Small nitpick, but yeah.
 
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