Kamen Rider High tiers run a gauntlet.

Cryso Agori

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High-tier Kamen Rider characters are sent to these universes to destroy them. Which fictions can they destroy?

1. Swartz as Another Decade



2. Tid the Timejacker as Another Ultimate Kuuga



3. Hiryu as Another Ohma Zi-O



4. Neo-Decade



5. Ohma Zi-O



6. Zi-O OhmaForm



7. Asmodeus


8. Kamen Rider Saber Zenkaizer



VS

1. Supernatural

2. Transformers

3. Shinza Bansho

4. Maou Gakuin

5. Shin Megami Tensei

6. Umineko

7. Doctor Who

8. Xeelee

9. Marvel

10. DC

(Note: this list is not in order of power.)

Round 1: Each character goes through each verse one by one by themselves.

Round 2: The characters team up and and go through each verse one by one.

Round 3. All the verses in the list has fused into an unholy abomination of a verse and the characters take it upon themselves to exterminate it.

Do the Riders destroy each verse? Or are they stopped?
 

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Can answer anything about transformers tiering but I'm not familiar with Kamen Rider stats at all other than Ohma Zi-O had some higher end multiversal (or beyond?) stuff?
 

Darth Nihilus

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Can answer anything about transformers tiering but I'm not familiar with Kamen Rider stats at all other than Ohma Zi-O had some higher end multiversal (or beyond?) stuff?

Zi-O and Saber are multiversal now

Saber moreso since he combined every single Rider and Sentai story save Revice into a Wonder RideBook, wrote himself back into existence after being erased by Shotaro Ishinomori (creator of Kamen Rider), and writing himself back into his story and becoming the author's author (literally) and the author of every single Kamen Rider and Super Sentai story. Save Revice.
 

OtherGalaxy

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Zi-O and Saber are multiversal now

Saber moreso since he combined every single Rider and Sentai story save Revice into a Wonder RideBook
then they are probably gonna make it to the Alternity in Transformers then
https://onelastforum.com/threads/transformers-feats-discussion.71/#post-26323
https://onelastforum.com/threads/transformers-feats-discussion.71/#post-26326
Pretty much they're high level timefuckers on a multiversal scale, they can attack all throughout time, duplicate timelines, etc. The Hytherion alone, that Megatron had fused with, can shake a great number of universes just by roaring during its death throes, and he can summon more of them at will.

That would be my guess for where they stop. Beyond them you get into the territory of the 13 who are all playing on an even higher scale and have a more temporally convoluted existence.

That said I remember in another thread Goldenboy had brought up Rider worlds each containing a bunch of/infinite universes so if that's true they could be pushing into megaversal territory. Still wouldn't be enough to clear Transformers but they'd get past Alternity at least.
 

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But he's also FTL, theoretically has the powers and abilities of every single Kamen Rider and Super Sentai member minus one

TBH until we start calcing and discussing this more I really don't know where to place him

Just know he's pretty fucking powerful

If Ohma Zi-O is multiversal then Saber is leagues above him just for the simple fact that Zi-O only has access to the powers of the Heisei Riders (and some Reiwa too), unless I'm missing something here
 

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the higher you get into transformers you start dealing with characters completely outside of time and causality in some cases. Aside from the Alternity, Vector Prime exists all throughout time and in multiple universes and even if he's killed in one universe he's still aware of what happens there and his spirit or psychic essence can keep fighting and trap people in the Astral Plane. Any of the other 13 scale to this to some degree as they're all nonlinear multiversal beings, but Vector specifically specializes in time manipulation. Even his lower dimensional forms can fuck with causality, but he doesn't like doing it because he doesn't feel like fixing the damage to time it causes
 

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reminder he literally called them for Zi-O's kabuto arc and they never answered so Kagami could get the spotlight
 

Cryso Agori

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Alright let me just rev up my Wank-a-Tron MK 9000.

Schwartz and Decade
Okay so in Decade the entire plot of the show is traveling through AR Worlds, which are just alternate realities of different rider series.


From multiple sources we know that these universes are countless/infinite.

Build TV Show:
(http://imgur.com/a/xDkoYW9)

Build x Ex-Aid movie
(http://imgur.com/a/tu33Jnh)

First of all,the colors.
Every color swallowed him.
And every sense. Sound. It smells. Skin sentation. Viseral sentation-No everything. Everything come in.
Defeat him like a storm, in a chaotic mix of everything and everything.
It was like a eternal time-but for a moment it was also a moment.
Infinite gorgeous colors soon obtains it shape. At the first beginning, he know that one which is nothing but the explosion of colors was a countless scenes.
With that understanding, the sense of flood obtains its meaning.He realizes everything.
Now,what he saw;he sensed was the “world/universe”.All time,all space was spreading in front of him.
However, there can be no joy there.
While despreately holding the ego that is about to collapse, he is swept away by the worlds.
Countless worlds spreading infinitely.And in all of them, its history is shining.
Countless stories of countless worlds.And countless malice and hostility.
There was an evil who slaughtered like it was a game.There was something like an angel of God. There were monsters and people who used them to kill each other.
It has evolved different from Helheim. Immortal beings. Chimimoryõ who eats people. An Extraterrestrial life form that mimic human. A demon who wants to alter history.Some like a vampire.
Furthermore, it has the memory of the earth. Incarnation of desire. Enjoying the energy of the universe. Devil that arise from despair. Hundred of artificial life forms-
Countless stories of countless worlds unfold in front of him are conneted by a single proposition, with malice and hostility as a chain.
“Life is the cycle of life and death. The world is the flow of destruction and rebirth. It’s a never-ending hell.We are trapped in a ring prison”
He can hear the voice
The voice leads him to the truth,like a saint who rescues lost sentinent beings.
“Love is lost. Trapped in hatred. I can’t reach it. There is only suffering, but for me, humans will overcome it. Unleashed from the physical cage,the spirit sublimates and become one with the universe. One in all. All in one. There is no longer any anguish. This is the ultimate evolution.”
No,it’s different.
Something in him denies the word of truth spoken by the saint
He doesn’t know what it is now. His ego is terribly thin and it seems to melt into the world and disappear at any moment.However,even so, that “something”-something that could not be hand over, something important that desprerately resisting.
The saint ridicules his struggle.
“No different. That’s what you know best”
The colors explode again. Raging sensation. And silence.

Decade VS Zi-O Rider Time



(http://imgur.com/a/CM3VPuL)

The Mirror World in Ryuki is infinite.
Taking out a flashlight, he lead me through the halls until we reached a wide room. The walls, floor, and ceiling were all mirrors, reflecting our images infinitely. In the corner, there was a stack of countless books. That’s when I realized this was big brother’s study room. “Do you know, Yui?” He asked, as well as the countless reflections of him. “Inside one mirror is another, and inside that one yet another. It continues on infinitely. But sometimes, as you keep passing through them, you can go to a different world.”


The Mirror world allows access to endless worlds.
Ryuki and Knight found themselves stuck in a wave of monsters.They were unable to cross the wave, and yet, they could still hear Yui and her brother...as if by telepathy. “Yui, don’t cause trouble. This is the only way you can be happy. I’m doing this for your sake and my own. If you die now, there’s no way for you to come back. Weren’t you searching for a new life?” “Of course I want to be happy! But I don’t want to snatch another persons away in order to do that!” “You’re not snatching away anything. You’re merely borrowing a life. The winner’s life will be projected through you. What are you so worried about? The person who wins will get their wish. I think that’s enough compensation.” What did that mean, Shinji wondered to himself as he fought off the monsters. the winner’s life would be projected through her? “I told you before, didn’t I Yui? Endless worlds are accessible through mirrors. Each one of them is just a little bit different. I’ll send the winner to the world of their choice. That will become their reality.” “It’ll be a world of lies! Why don’t you understand that? All you’re doing is a big lie!” “You’re wrong, Yui. This is all reality. All except for you, of course. That’s why you need a new life.your fate has already been decided. I decided it for you.” “You’re wrong, big brother!” Her voice began to fade. “My fate is for me to decide!”

Decade is said to be able to destroy all worlds.








Due to how each main Rider series have infinite/countless AR worlds just of them you could say that each main Rider world is a infinite/countless multiverse in and of itself. So the Rider cosmology could be a megaverse or even bigger. This should also include the Mirror World which is infinite sized.

+There are countless riders.


And I'm pretty sure this hype has remained for Decade, IIRC when he meets Zi-O in the show and in the Rider Time he threatens to destroy his world.

Also during a Shinkenger crossover he was stated to be able to destroy the Shinken World.

Plus he's a composite Rider like Ohma Zi-O and has the power of all riders. Though I don't know if Another Decade can do that. And Modern Decade doesn't just have heisei and showa riders but neo-heisei and reiwa as well just like Zi-O.

Due to how Another Riders work.


Schwartz should have these abilities.

Though I forgot if he was running on half of Decade's power till the end or if he managed to get all of Decade's power.

Schwartz also has the ability to create Another Worlds with Dark Riders.


(http://imgur.com/a/r0juC2m) (http://imgur.com/a/s23s5fp)

For Decade himself in the Zi-O Rider Time got the Neo-Decade power-up which I don't know much about other than that form was stomped by Ohma Zi-O in the infinite Zi-Oception Rider Time and then defeated Ohma in the Mirror House one.

Tid the 'Super' Time Jacker
Tid the Timejacker gained the power of the Kuuga ridewatch and entered the real world (there's a tweet where Shirakura states that Ataru's world is the 'real world' but I can't find it right now so here's a fandom link)


And then erased all of the riders in the Heisei era. Since there are countless riders and infinite/countless worlds for each main Rider world and more that's a multiversal to megaversal or possibly even bigger feat.


But that was reversed by Shingo due to him being a Singularity Point. This means that Singularity Point's have resistance to multiversal to megaversal erasure/rewrite.

The Riders are also able to come to the real world.

Ohma Zi-O and Another Ohma Zi-O

Sougo just after unlocking his Ohma Zi-O form with no training was able to instantly stomp all the final bosses of Heisei, who are even stronger than there original versions.

And then proceeded to rider kick Another Decade whose wielding either half or all of Decade's power.


Sougo also has immense time/space creation abilities even unconsciously.

He saved Hiryu when he was younger while unconscious.

He dreamed up a new rider as a child.

And his powers unconsciously caused the countless/infinite amount Rider worlds to fuse.

He also has Decade's destroy worlds schtick and is a composite rider.

At the end of the series, he rewrites and separates the universes.


Of which again there is an infinite/countless amount+the Mirror World which is infinite sized.

And this feat:


Was done by Ohma Zi-O. Though doing this actually weakened him. Enough that he turned into a child without any memory of being Ohma Zi-O, until the end where he remembers and transforms.

And he also has time erasure/rewrite resistance feats above Den-O and Decade. Den-O and Decade got there power stolen by a Ridewatch despite One's Singularity Point status and the other's no history thing. Though for Decade it may have been because he put half of his power in the Decade ridewatch.


For Zi-O despite the existence of Another Zi-O he never lost his power.



Ohma Zi-O also scales above Decade's new form Neo-Decade. Simply due to this.
Easily stomping Neo-Decade in two hits.


And here's his parts sheet. Normally nobody uses these but it gives Ohma some goodies.


And just like Decade, he is a composite rider. Meaning he has the powers of every other rider. And the statement about Decade being able to destroy the Shinken world should apply to him.

In the Zi-O final stage show, Hiryu brainwashed Tsukiyomi and Woz into villains and collected the 7 showa ridewatches to erase the Heisei and Reiwa eras, erasing Ohma Zi-O and making Sougo lose the power of Ohma Zi-O. Then he became Another Ohma Zi-O.


He should have the same powers and abilities as Ohma Zi-O.

Zi-O's OhmaForm doesn't have many feats other than being able to fight together with Ohma Zi-O against Another Ohma Zi-O in the stage show and not disappearing when Hiryu stole Ohma's power.



Some more pronounced Causality hands and seemingly being able to give the riders back their powers in the movie when he transforms. And bringing in riders like Manga Kuuga, G, and final stage show Kachidoki Zangetsu into existence.


Asmodeus and Saber Zenkaiser

I don't watch Super Sentai. Haven't touched it other than a few episodes of Zyuranger. However there's this tweet.


Stating that the Sentai cosmology is 'infinite parallel worlds'.

It is corroborated by this statement from Zenkaiger's official page.


Both Asmodeus and Saber should scale to this and above Decade and Ohma Zi-O.

Asmodeus was able to fuse all the Sentai and Rider worlds together to destroy them. And held enough power to put the riders into his own narratives, including Ohma Zi-O. He was also able to drag a young Shotaro Ishinimori from the real world and gaslight him into scrapping Kamen rider and super sentai thus destroying both verses.

Saber survived and entered the real world where he became a God and wrote Kamen Rider and Super Sentai back into existence.

Also messed with a world with the actual Big G in it going by @Atem's words.

So that's it. That's all I have. The end of the wanking...













Or is it? The Wank-a-Tron MK 9000 still has some gas left in it.



Let's go.

Alright so in the Zi-O final stage show we have Sougo and Geiz recognizing the Quartzers as coming from a movie.

Now, this is just a little joke, right? Just momentarily breaking fourth wall for comedy nothing serious, right?

NOPE!

In the Stage Show Ohma Zi-O reappears despite the destruction of the Heisei and Reiwa eras. Why?

Because the real people watching have memories of him and the Heisei era. Bringing him back into existence.

Kamen Riders living on in memories is something that has been going on since back in Den-O.

As long as memories of the Riders exist so do the riders themselves.

And that's not all!

Despite the destruction of the Heisei and Reiwa eras other Riders still exist.

The Reboot riders.

Due to being Showa riders rebooted in Heisei they survived the erasure due to being of both time periods. The Zi-O riders are also called Reiwa's Heisei Riders. Meaning they too exist in two time periods, adding another form of time erasure and rewrite resistance.

And Alpha manages to power up the Zi-O riders by having the real people in the seats cheer them on!

This proves that the riders can come and exist in the real world and that unless you destroy or mindwipe Kamen Rider from the minds of the real world they'll still exist.

Never mind that the Riders themselves aren't actual riders and just people in suits. And that Sougo and the others are just actors voiceacting and doing actual acting. And that everything else is special effects and sounds.


Tell me if I got anything wrong or if there's something to want to add to this. Just not now. I'm going to play games or sleep or something.

I spent half the day working on this, so much time wasted.

EDIT: There's also things like Gemn Billion is the novels creating either 7 billion universes or infinite universes. And whatever's going on in the Zi-O novel.
 
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Atem

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The only thing I am not sure about is the stage show stuff, but the rest should be fine to use.
 

Cryso Agori

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The only thing I am not sure about is the stage show stuff, but the rest should be fine to use.
Stage shows are still part of Kamen Rider. Even if they aren't canon to the mainline series. Just think of them as an AR world.

Also forgot about this but due to Ohma Zi-O's existence, no other rider can appear after 2019 after him. Similar to Decade's Destroyer of Worlds power.

Sougo didn't care and created a future rider anyway.

So now that I've proven that Kamen Rider high tiers are megaversal, how far do they go in each verse?
 

Cryso Agori

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I know. It's one thing when it's there version of the character's standalone feats but don't stack them with another version unless you're going for something composite. That would make more sense.
Eh, my personal opinion is that you can use Stage show/Alternate canon feats as long as the rider themselves are the same and the feats don't contradict the main rider feats. But we're getting into semantics.

Also, Another Ohma Zi-O returns in the Zi-O novel so he's canon I think.