So Blade's, Kuuga's, and Decade's then.
Kamen Rider High tiers run a gauntlet.
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I said this:
You said this:
When I was talking about countless/infinite realities I wasn't talking about alternate timelines or dimensions. I was talking about parallel worlds like Build.
Here: https://www.kamen-rider-official.com/the-gaim-fes/ttfc
A chronological map of events of Gaim. From the official site. You could probably find other things like this on the site or Wikipedia if you spend half a day on it.
What I said has nothing to do with your strawman. You made an implication, I responded to that. Its really quite simple, my dude. Having countless parallel worlds, alternate realities and infinite universes doesn't make it a megaverse. Generally speaking nothing can be defined as a megaverse unless it involves multiple multiverses and genuinely reflects Cantor's Law of Cardinality for it to be accepted.
Having an infinite multiverse ! = being a megaverse.
You didn't make that clear. Also this is backpedaling considering you tried to sneak this claim with Ryuki's Mirror World from the novel while claiming you weren't implicitly trying to push that. We do not generally treat alternate timelines or eras as separate universes in the OBD, that's our standard. And I have yet to see much that indicates a different treatment needs to be applied to Kamen Rider.
Why would I spend "half a day" on Wikipedia to material I don't need to read when I've watched the show and its supplemental material? Especially with shows like Gaim that happen to be amongst my favorite ones?
The Bujin's/Sengoku World is another weird dimension thing. I don't contest the existence of a multiverse for Kamen Rider, its been apparent since Decade that's where the cosmology has gone. What I have an issue with is you trying to conflate with intent that Ryuki's Mirror World or Gaim's Bujin/Sengoku world was being evidence of "many" parallel worlds. Even though I'm quite fine with the World of Sengoku (Wizard x Gaim's movie setting) existing as another universe, it ceases to exist after the conclusion of the film's crossover events anyways.
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I don't think I tried to sneak in any claim with the Ryuki cites. But from
what you said I'm guessing it's a difference on how we see things... But I haven't found anything saying it's explicitly canon so I'll just drop it anyway here's a google translation of the image above.
Uh, yes I said it was a google translation. I'm not Japanese.
All this discussion just to have Molecule Man eat them
Well given the notoriety of how inaccurate machine translations are by AI, I can't really trust it. Either way you need to understand that having multiple to infinite universes is a multiverse, not a megaverse.
Tendou Rider Kicks him
Its still not as good as a proper translation from a person.
Do we have any translators here then?
Damn. Even DC and Marvel?
the marvelbacker deceptions
Of course not.
I think I get what the problem was. I thought that you thought I said that the Mirror World contained a multiverse. While what you were actually you were saying was that the Mirror World would have then multiversal level reach right? Then yeah your right I was using the Novel as evidence for endless parallel universes cause that seems to be possible in the novel's version of the Mirror World.
However, since the novel is non-canon I guess we can't use it.
Also while it's true that I used the novel as evidence for parallel worlds it isn't my only piece of evidence.
In fact, I can make the argument without using anything from novels or final-stage shows. Just shows and movies.
Watch.
In Kamen Rider Build Sento introduces the concept of Alternate universes/parallel worlds.
Of which there are a countless/infinite amount. Meaning that the Build Rider World can be a countless/infinite multiverse, because there are countless/infinite alternate universes of it. And this is applicable to all the other Rider Worlds as well going by what Mogami says in the Heisei Gen Final: Build x Ex-Aid movie.
Going back in time to Decade, the Nine Worlds he travels to are AR Worlds.
Alternate realities based on the original Nine Heisei rider worlds.
And there are endless worlds going by what Decade says in the All Riders VS Dai-Shocker movie.
Since AR Worlds and Parallel Worlds as introduced in Build and Decade are just the same things. Each Heisei Rider World can also be an infinite multiverse since there are countless/infinite universes of them too.
And then this should scale all the back to Showa and into Reiwa. Thus each Rider World has countless/infinite versions of them, making each of them countless/infinite multiverses.
And so around 23+ possible countless/infinite multiverses should be considered a megaverse.
There. No novel sites, no Final Stage Show feats, nothing from the glossary website. Just my barebones argument with what's stated in the show and movies.
You completely missed everything I said. I don't know why you are making so much or so many verbose arguments, simple fact of the matter is my stance is fairly simple and not nuanced at all:
- The Mirror World in Ryuki is not a multiverse
- I did not deny there is multiverse in Kamen Rider
- I have repeatedly stated from Kamen Rider Decade and onwards, we have numerous examples of Kamen Rider's cosmology showing parallel worlds, alternate realities, dimensions, and other universes in them
- Having infinite universes does not equate to a megaverse
- Nothing in Build, Zi-Oh, or any other series indicates a megaverse existing in Kamen Rider, only a multiverse
- The example you brought up with All Riders vs Dai-Shocker in Decade's movie does not say "endless worlds", he says the worlds expand endlessly, which is poetic and not literal in the context Tsukasa is using it
We have an infinite multiverse.
We do not have anything close to a megaverse.
Yes, you said that having multiple multiverses makes a megaverse.
Except we know from Build that you can have infinite universes from 1 rider. Which I would called a multiverse. If you have infinite universes for 1 rider each then you’d have multiple multiverses, which would be a megaverse.