You're seriously bringing up age? In a shonen, or just power fantasy fiction in general?
Yes, I am bringing up age in a discussion regarding a shonen character's perception of another shonen character.
Elric bros, Baki, Child Emporer, Goku, Gon & Kilua
All of these characters (and literally all pre-college age protags) have their age repeatedly highlighted as a factor for why they are impressive. This is often driven home by the fact that while older characters of the same power can be (in)famous and respected, they aren't fawned over like the younger generation.
This rhetorical deflection might have flown if I were legitimately arguing that Yusuke, as a character, shouldn't be this strong because he is young. All I'm saying is that people in his universe wouldn't expect him to be this strong. Demons already look down on humans as non-threats 99% of the time. I don't see how losing not only to a human but to a human child, doesn't add to that embarrassment. Be the difference between getting killed by a feral cat or a newborn kitten.
So what? Its shonen. His biggest power boost was dying and suddenly multiplying his power by a mind numbing order of magnitude.
The entirety of the manga occurs over the course of a couple years. His training with Genkai was
2 weeks. She just reshaped his already considerable foundation from his original resurrection that he got random power boosts through power of friendship.
You aren't going to build half your foundation on shonen tropes and then pretend that a training
arc flashback does not DEMAND a noticeable zenkai.
FFS, I know we have both seen people look at two comparable characters in something like DBZ and go,
"Well, their stats are basically equal, but this one did that one-week training at Douchbag-sensei's house and the other one didn't.", and then give the latter a vague +1 because training = power boost. You know, so long as there is
any implication that the training has been effective.
You're better than a strawman, or at least I'd like to think so dude
I think we are both better than to muddy the water calling out obvious banter as a legitimate use of logical fallacies.
No, I'm not ignoring it, I'm just incedulous you're ignoring the sheer order of magnitude gulf between the pair that doesn't warrant name dropping Rando if Rando wasn't within some kind of spitting distance to Genbu, let alone Suzaku. Literal Elephant to Ant comparison if we take the collateral differences at face value.
The killing of an elephant and the killing of an ant are extremely comparable, in the context of hype, if you initially believed the killer to be a microbe.
This is the context you seem hell-bent on limboing under.
A human killing a demon at all is, generally, extremely impressive. We see more of it because that's the story we are following. Yusuke, Genkai, Shinsui, and the psychic kids are the exception to the rule. And, like, a month before killing Rando, Yusuke was just an average human.
No, Toguro's comment is clearly not talking directly about that in his pannel. He's using Yusuke's past achievements to gauge the odds of his fighters. So... Suzaku and Rando > Toguro's men? That's literally what he's saying:
"If they can beat these two, they can beat my guys." Cool. So the weaker of Suzaku and Rando can scale to the strongest fighter on this dude's security detail. Was that the trans(?) chick or the optical illusion punches dude?
Not Yusuke's age, not being some random unknown, but the fact they were powerful underworld figures and they fell to someone else at all
This is bullshit. Your own supporting quotes imply the exact opposite...
"In their world, the law of the jungle prevails. One who overthrows the powerful is to be feared, but he also becomes the next target to beat."
While this thought was spurred to mind by "but there were some who scoffed at Suzaku's ineptitude and kicked themselves for fearing him" they're a minority of the criminal element in Ningenkai as "many expressed concern".
Would these demons be "kicking themselves" for fearing Suzaku if he'd been killed by fucking Yomi? No. Obviously fucking not. Who killed him is clearly relevant.
It's almost like they aren't commenting on the two's relative power, but on both of them failing to meet what should be an easy benchmark. Not getting merc'd by humans.
I'm not skipping your comparison of Suzuaku to the DT, I'm just taking your word for it.
