Mad God Genis-Vell vs ToAru

OtherGalaxy

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Oh boy, this won't be a shitshow. How strong is Genis?
it probably won't because there's barely anyone here
he's universal at least and has some various haxes and resistances, although I'm not sure on the specifics of those as I don't read too many superhero comics


he just has an...interesting history in the obd
 

Cryso Agori

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Othinus Feats

Ollerus and Othinus created hundreds of millions of explosions, so many that they began to distort space and time itself, like a black hole.

Othinus destroyed the world.

Othinus destroyed the entire universe.



After the destruction of the universe.

Othinus reads people's minds.

Oatinus has limited omnipresence.

Othinus stopped time.

Othinus can create living dolls.

Othinus manipulates concepts.

Othinus distorted the world hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of times to torture Touma, but even so Touma did not go mad.

The phases, or filters of the universe, are the overlapping layers of the material universe. This is a religious concept that is superimposed on the Pure World. Usually the world that man sees is only a distorted reflection of what is under the influence of these religious filters. The God of Magic has enough power to change the appearance of these light concepts, he will be able to change the very "view of the world," the fundamental perspective. There are so many religions and beliefs in the world: Islam, Buddhism, Taoism, Christianity, Kabbalah, Japanese mythology, Norse mythology, Celtic mythology, Greek mythology, Egyptian mythology, Aztec mythology, Incan mythology and many, many others, and each of them is a Phase that changes the perspective of the world. And within these Phases are their own worlds, Hell, Paradise, Yggdrasil, Avalon, Olympus, Asgard, Nirai Kanai, and a great many others.

And Phases are there own places as the quote above says, there are also beings that live there, OT Volume 4 and NT 10 explains this. These beings are powerful enough to destroy the universe, as Othinus herself says that they could shatter the world like she did.

We can say that Phases exist, but in different waves, so if a being is not attuned to a certain wave, he will not be able to see another being from another Phase, this also applies to people.


Tsuchimikado says directly that different beings from different religions exist, they should be called Phase beings.

Tsuchimikado continued, “Oh yes, Kami-yan. In religions that worship idols like Buddhism and Christianity, the power of God or power of angels do actually exist around us.”





There are also another four worlds.

The Fall of the Angel is such a global spell that it affects all four worlds, more specifically the material universe ASSIAH, the world of formation YETZIRAH, the world of creation BRIAH, the world of emanation and archetypes AZTILUTH, this spell changes roles in the hierarchy of things, driving the angel from his throne.




Aleister Crowly tried to reach the Pure World Phase, the lower world of Physical Laws, beyond all religions and beliefs.

It seems that all Phases are identical to Heaven or Hell.

Othinus control life and death.

Othinus was able to create a perfect world where all failure, all evil, and all suffering was eliminated.

Othinus creates a dark moon, which falls to the ground, after which it explodes and within a few meters, everything, including space itself, disappears.

Touma and Othinus fought 10,031 times. And after each battle, Touma went through tens of thousands of worlds anew.

The God of Magic controlled everything in this world. If she wanted to, she could erase Touma from existence, collide galaxies, turn back time, and by controlling fate itself create a result that suited her.

Othinus cannot be inflicted any physical or mental damage.

Othinus has tortured Touma millions of times.

Even one world would be enough to break an ordinary human, and Touma has lived through millions of such worlds.

The God of Magic is not bound to the universe, he sees any, even the smallest changes in the world and phases, when everyone else will not notice the difference.

Thanks to IB it is possible to destroy Phases.

Touma, thanks to his experience, was able to slip through tens of thousands of explosions, and they were so close together that it was as if the explosions merged.

Gungnir is Odin's spear, when thrown, the spear distorts space and time itself, and the walls of all Phases will be destroyed, most likely the universe will not be destroyed on purpose. The Gungnir has several properties:
  • The Gungnir exists to be thrown.
  • A Gungnir always hits its target as soon as it is thrown.
  • The Gungnir cannot be shot down or destroyed in flight.
  • The gungnir always returns to its owner as soon as the target is hit.
  • Gungnir destroys symbols of human power. (Legendary Weapon, for example).
  • There is a "parameter" on the spear that no human can survive, no matter what defense or form of evasion they use, probably even Fiamma that Right and Ollerus will be killed if they take his attack head-on.

Though the Spear moved incredibly fast, so fast that no one was able to react to it, but Touma, thanks to his experience, was able to fend off the Gungnir.

The Gungnir is a remote that allows her to fully control the power of the God of Magic, to be more precise, Otynus has a 100% chance of success, among the endless possibilities of events only positive ones remain, but Otynus can also use the negative possibilities thanks to the fairy spell. Destroying Gungnir also won't affect her power level, only her control.

Fairy Spell

A spell created by Ollerus that strips godlike beings of their divine status, bringing them down to human level, in the case of the God of Magic - lowering their chances of success to zero. According to Ollerus, the Fairies are formerly Pagan Gods who were converted to fairies with the rise and consolidation of Christianity, having lost all their power.


Phantom Crossbow - A fan-shaped weapon that has nothing to do with Odin, but has everything to do with Othinus

Othinus's arrows cannot be explained.

The first shot falls vertically from the sky and has enough force to easily destroy a planet or two without leaving a crater because it moves so fast that it does not wait for the impact to spread. And Touma reacts to these arrows at FTL speed, not using his experience gained with the battle with Othinus, since Othinus uses it for the first time.

The second one slides on the ground.

The third and fourth burst out of the ground and tear to pieces as they try to dodge

The fifth appears just before the target.

The sixth and seventh collide with each other and randomly change direction

The eighth overcomes the limitations of the three-dimensional universe, attacks the enemy coming from the higher dimension, and Touma reacts to it.

The ninth completely ignores the concept of numbers, the shot can span the heavens and looks like an infinite number of fireworks, where every hit of a piece of fireworks is fatal.

The tenth pierces the Othinus through and out of the blind spot. The first nine arrows confine the enemy, denying him the opportunity to dodge this one.

The Magic God body can regenerate lethal attacks.


It would take mankind forever to kill Othinus, even if she stood in one place.

Bone Boat is a bone-shaped artifact that, like the crossbow, has nothing to do with Odinus, but has everything to do with Othinus. It can freely change its size and it allows it to move anywhere on Earth in an instant, spinning the planet. Described as - "It doesn't move me, it moves everything to me." It also allows you to rotate all celestial bodies so as not to disrupt the international clock system. Care must be taken when using it, as there is a chance of crashing into the Himalayas or ending up in the middle of the ocean if used inaccurately.

Othinus remade the world billions of times.

Rather than just being destroyed once, the world had been remade into millions or even billions of forms to break Kamijou's mind, but it seemed their imagination had not brought them that far.

The God of Magic is eternal and cannot die. He cannot be affected by any standard means, including physical and spiritual. Even if you find a way to kill the God of Magic, he will still come back, even if his entire body has turned into particles of light, and only 1% of his body remains.

I'll post feats for other characters tomorrow.
 
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Blade

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he's universal at least and has some various haxes and resistances, although I'm not sure on the specifics of those as I don't read too many superhero comics

If Genis wins, he'll be privileged enough to be able to clear To Aru


he can two shot alien x for starters

serious post

well







helped to fight for a while against omega thanosi (a being which was thanos's clone mixed galactus's dna and was stated to be in several occasions as strong as the og and in others, even stronger than galactus, we know that he ain't stronger though cuz galactus's top tiers feats are still on the at least multiversal+ range, so we go by the minimum = still casual universal+ for omega thanosi)

and they had to still run away after trapping omega thanosi, lol

in the later arcs, a quite stronger genis caused a big bang during the eternity event, as a side effect


and nerfed eternity still is > omega thanosi

i mean ok

we trolls genis, but he still gives e rated = e stands for everyone hands on no aru, one of the strongest universal+ chars out there, despite his downgrade

mftl+ speeds superior to any no aru char, since very, very few animu/mango etc chars can keep up marvel/dc mftl+ speeds

has also causality manipulation, cosmic tier awareness, space/time techs, reality warping, high level illusions, can become non corporeal for a while, can bfr others to various dimensions, etc

summary: rom and genis can still double powerbomb the no aru verse, just fine
 

Cryso Agori

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Why does Genis power bomb just because he’s universal+? Sure Othinus is only able to effect one universe. But she destroyed and recreated that universe billions of times over. There’s also the existences of phases which contains the homes of Gods and gods themselves.

Othinus even states that she created billions of phases during NT 9 in NT 12.


Othinus created hundreds of billions of Phases.

Edit: Othinus also isn’t the strongest character in Toaru, there’s still the True Magic Gods. Who are all stronger than Othinus.

Edit 2: Also how powerful was that Big Bang gun, Crowley has blasting rod which can not only release universe destroying big bangs but also multiply that power 10 times over, and he’s weaker than the True Magic Gods.
 
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Cryso Agori

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There’s also the concept of the Hierachy being that beings above the human realm are conceptually stronger.


People can climb through the hierarchy thanks to "soul levels," the higher the level, the higher the creature is in the hierarchy.


Sephiroth Trees.


An explanation of the hierarchy.

 

Cryso Agori

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True Magic Gods feats.


In the Hidden World Phase, there is not even a direction or depth, and the Magical Gods themselves determine it.


The power of the true Magical Gods is infinite, unlike Othinus, they cannot even exist in the World, as it cannot withstand their presence and will shatter like glass even if they move their hand or take one single step, and to be able to be in the existing world without destroying it, a True Gremlin has to share its infinite power infinitely. Despite the fact that it is in fact a deception, the concept can exist even if it is not clearly defined.


The whole World (that is, the universe and all its Phases) is like a balloon with a cactus (God of Magic) inside it.


Saint Germain can control carbon and the God of Magic controls everything, every Phase, every dimension and every element


Even after the Magical God has divided his infinite power into infinity, even so the world can barely withstand the existence of the Magical God. Also, if you find a way to kill the Magic God, he will still come back, since his existence is layered like an "onion", because of this it would take killing him countless times for him to die permanently.
"Found your feet? Do you mean that spell that infinitely divides the infinite capacity of a Magic God to trick the world by eternally layering existences that are just barely small enough for the world to contain?"

Humanity has enough firepower to destroy the planet dozens of times.

For example.

AC uses technology that is capable of compressing the entire planet to the size of a fist, in order to raise the supermarket by 10 centimeters to protect it from earthquakes.


The clash of opinions between the Magical Gods determines fate itself.


The mere fact of the existence of the Magical God is enough to tell the fate and destroy the whole world.


Even a twice weakened Magical God has the power to destroy human civilization.


Even an infinitely weakened Magic God can still easily destroy the entire universe


Even "turning into a fairy" did not help against the High Priest.


In his twice weakened state, the God of Magic has the power to destroy the world, but not to recreate it again.


The body of the Magical God will live forever.


There is no infinite number of parallel worlds, there is only one world, but a time line is a string that is fastened to a board and stretched in different directions and secured with pegs, a time line can be compressed and stretched, and just like movies have hidden, unused frames, just like a time line has unused layers of information. And the WR uses them to banish to the "other world."


Nephthys is different from the other Gods of Magic, while the others shaped their power as a whole personality, instead made it something that can be divided, cut out, unloaded. Because of this, even after being exposed to Aleister Crowley's magic, which greatly weakened all Magic God, Nephthys is the only one who can still add/remove phases. However, she is only strong enough to make one full phase change.

Kihara Yuitsu can imitate the power of the Magic God.
"You remember…that Magic God called the High Priest, right? They're all like that. …She can pull out monsters on his level by the dozen!!"

Nyang Nyang's magic, which allows her to turn the tips of her fingers, hidden behind her long sleeves, into a huge number of all kinds of weapons


The powers of the Magical Gods.
 
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Because that alone doesn't make someone Universal+, it just means you can destroy and recreate one Universe over and over again like how someone can destroy billions of Planets and stars doesn't make them Galaxy level.

And secondly, she never affected that layer meanwhile Galactus actually CAN and such, so would that Thanos Clone.

Edit: Othinus also isn’t the strongest character in Toaru, there’s still the True Magic Gods. Who are all stronger than Othinus.

We already seen how that turned out from that To Aru thread and I would rather we NEVER touch the True Magic Gods as long as we all breathe.
 
You are veering into the level of Infinitely Multiversal Gilgamesh with that logic and you need to stop for a second and really think it through.

EDIT: And I'm not even sure why you added the True Magic Gods here, you literally just stated and we was shown proof that Othinus doesn't stack with them in the slightest. So there's no reason to bring any of their feats here, especially as headache inducing as they are with their "Infinitely Infinite power that completely ignores mathematics and logic which makes you seriously wonder the fuck is even the point?"
 

Cryso Agori

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Because that alone doesn't make someone Universal+, it just means you can destroy and recreate one Universe over and over again like how someone can destroy billions of Planets and stars doesn't make them Galaxy level.
Except it does?

Universal level power means you have the power to effect the universe. If you can destroy the universe, you are universal, if you can create a universe, you are universal. Creating and destroying a universe, even if it is the same one, is universal. Also the example doesn’t make sense because of the scale, there are way more than a billion planets in a galaxy plus stars, asteroids, meteorites, gas clouds and stuff.

However, being able to destroy a billion planets would make one planet buster+. Same thing with Othinus. I’m not arguing she’s infinite multiversal or anything, but she’s definitely universal+.

Which is supported by Othinus herself saying that there are gods who could destroy the universe like she did on higher phases, but when she became a magic god she was still able to destroy it all.

And secondly, she never affected that layer meanwhile Galactus actually CAN and such, so would that Thanos Clone.
What layer? She explicitly destroyed all phases except for the Hidden World and Pure World.


Because this isn’t Genis versus Othinus? This is Genis vs To aru and the True Magic Gods are stronger than her.

Edit: It’s up to the op if they don’t want to debate TMG’s.
 

Irradiance

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Because that alone doesn't make someone Universal+, it just means you can destroy and recreate one Universe over and over again like how someone can destroy billions of Planets and stars doesn't make them Galaxy level.
Except Gungnir throw destroyed all those hundreds of billions of phases at once. (+probably the phases of all other religions...)
The "all phases" was later retconned to not include hidden world, but obviously included all the phases Othinus herself created, as it was also confirmed that Othinus had destroyed everything except the hidden world.
 
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Dude, none of that makes her Universal+, that misses the entire point of why Universal+ exists.

What layer? She explicitly destroyed all phases except for the Hidden World and Pure World.

...Ugh, Phase shit still never makes sense and will never make sense.

Because this isn’t Genis versus Othinus? This is Genis vs To aru and the True Magic Gods are stronger than her.

Edit: It’s up to the op if they don’t want to debate TMG’s.

Yeah and Genis is above them in being Universal+, even the True Magic Gods as we saw them is just Universal on top of him being faster than them.

Except Gungnir throw destroyed all those hundreds of billions of phases at once. (+probably the phases of all other religions...)

See, this is why this series is just a major headache to ever deal with...
 

Irradiance

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Dude, none of that makes her Universal+, that misses the entire point of why Universal+ exists.
Destroying the universe together with hundreds of billions of universe sized pocket dimensions doesn't make her universal+?
brah...

Then again, I can't find a precise definition of the term anywhere aside from being far above baseline universe level, so I guess it can mean whatever.

...Ugh, Phase shit still never makes sense and will never make sense.
It's basically just alternate dimensions. Don't really get what you find so difficult about it...
 
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Cryso Agori

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I was right this was going to be a shitshow.

Dude, none of that makes her Universal+, that misses the entire point of why Universal+ exists.

What @Irradiance said, explain please.

...Ugh, Phase shit still never makes sense and will never make sense.


I feel like no one ever reads my posts about Toaru.

Okay, first there's the Hierarchy or Kabbalah, this thing.




Which is the Sephiroth Tree.


An explanation of the hierarchy.


People can climb through the hierarchy thanks to "soul levels," the higher the level, the higher the creature is in the hierarchy.


Tsuchimikado says that phases are similar to radio waves, they exist on different frequencies and can only interact in the human realm.


Tsuchimikado says directly that different beings from different religions exist, they should be called Phase beings.

Tsuchimikado continued, “Oh yes, Kami-yan. In religions that worship idols like Buddhism and Christianity, the power of God or power of angels do actually exist around us.”

Stuff like miracles and Divine Retribution are beings of higher phases interacting with the human phase.

Creatures on a higher hierarchy can't exist in a world of a lower hierarchy, thus they exist in a realm of a higher hierarchy. (See the entirety of OT Vol 4 where Gabriel being dragged down from heaven onto the human realm caused everyone's minds, bodies, and perceptions to switch as an unintended consequence, and I do mean everyone, it was a worldwide phenomenon and only magicians in castles and other protected places were unchanged.)

There are also another four worlds.

The Fall of the Angel is such a global spell that it affects all four worlds, more specifically the material universe ASSIAH, the world of formation YETZIRAH, the world of creation BRIAH, the world of emanation and archetypes AZTILUTH, this spell changes roles in the hierarchy of things, driving the angel from his throne.


Here's Othinus explaining phases.

Not only does she say that Phases contain religions, but also places like heaven, hell and more.


What Othinus has done is create phases and stick Touma in there.


This means that the universes she uses to torture Touma are phases.

And before anyone says that this isn't universal, because I know someone will.

These phases have time, space, cosmic phenomena like galaxies, stars , matter, Earth and its people exist, and even things like fate, life and death, and heaven and hell exist. (Plus universe, world, and phases are all used interchangeably, though this could be because of Baka-Tsuki translations.)




The twinkling of the stars in the sky was an ominous ill omen.

Each and every one of them transformed into a sharp spear of light and poured down like rain.

So there exactly like universes.

And note she never says she can't destroy all the phases, because she can she explicitly does this during the beginning of NT 9 and when she gets pissed off and uses Gungnir.

Othinus destroyed the world.

Othinus destroyed the entire universe.


She just says it's easier to create Phases over it.

There's also the Black world after she destroys the universe.

Othinus created hundreds to thousands(note that one of the world's othinus created has touma is space)

to ten-thousands

to millions

to billions
Rather than just being destroyed once, the world had been remade into millions or even billions of forms to break Kamijou's mind, but it seemed their imagination had not brought them that far.

to hundreds of billions

Of worlds/universes/phases in order to torture Touma.

As I said above, Othinus when was finally pissed and done with Touma she pulls out Gungnir which destroys
all the phases.


Which also includes the religious phases. And these phases contain beings powerful to destroy the world like she did.


And Magic Gods are said to be able to paint over and control these phases. Including Othinus which Touma explicitly says in this quote below.



This means that Magic God Othinus scales above these universe destroying gods.

The only phases she wasn't able to affect were the Pure World which is a world of pure physics which is what IB is connected to.


And the Hidden Phase which is made to house the True Magic Gods.


Who are again stronger than Othinus to the point that they can only exist in their true forms in the hidden phase or else they'd destroy everything, the universe, the world, all its phases, with the ease of moving an arm or leg.

And I already posted TMG's feats above.


There is no infinite number of parallel worlds, there is only one world, but a time line is a string that is fastened to a board and stretched in different directions and secured with pegs, a time line can be compressed and stretched, and just like movies have hidden, unused frames, just like a time line has unused layers of information. And the WR uses them to banish to the "other world."

And I don't mean you insult or accuse you but what I really don't get is that you should already be familiar which this @Xhominid The Fool, you make threads for Fate, which has exactly the same concept called Textures. Literally, layers of reality that can also be other worlds like underworlds or Olympus, does that sound familiar to you?

The only difference is that Textures are planetary to solar system level. (Fate literally has an earth inside the earth)

While phases are universal. (Universes layered over universes)

So really I feel like your incredulity is very misplaced, either you aren't paying attention to anything posted on Toaru, or your purposely faking it and pretending you don't understand.
 
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