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Mad God Genis-Vell vs ToAru

If I remember correctly, The Marvel Universe has not only an inner layer but an outer layer for each Universe in and of itself that includes it's own various level of bullshit on top of that bullshit, each almost as big as the Universe itself is. It's not a packed Universe with other Universes within it, it's literal Universal Dimensions stacked on top with each other on top of many other shit all placed together not even counting the the actual places like the Overspace, Hyperspace and the like.

That's why the Marvel Universe, even one of them > To Aru and that's why it's more significant on how ridiculous Genis' Cosmic Awareness is as he's aware of everything within the Universe at once.

And Magus himself is a person equal to Thanos whose capable of some Universal fuckery himself and screwing with Marvel's Laws. So yeah, Genis is a monster even without us basically going with Jakk's version of Genis.
 
What kinda durability do the top tiers of to aru even have. Like I said, I haven't read most of this thread so sorry if you gotta retell me stuff @Thegoldenboy2188 @Irradiance
According to Niang-Niang a MG can take an attack from another MG
Although that was after they were nerfed, so hard to say if that applies to their full strength versions.
 
Entropy technically is Eternity so Genis is probably at the highest degree of Universal also Cosmic awareness let's you know everything going on in the Universe at all times it why Heralds, Warlock, Quasar and the likes always show up and know a big event is coming it and the Power Cosmic as a whole are total bullshit cheat codes not saying it kills Toaru idk it at all just letting you know @Thegoldenboy2188
 
I did that cause you and everyone kept trolling, downplaying and kept going 'I can't understand phases' and when I explain phases. People still pretend they don't understand despite that.


why must i bother to reply, for chars who aren't legit universal and can put up a fight against strong comic chars?

Okay, let's break this down... again.

Touma after going through thousands of worlds where he's tortured and realizes that Othinus isn't destroying anything and instead is simply remaking shit.


Othinus herself states that Phases can contain physical places and what she's been doing is sticking Touma in Phases of her own creation because it's easier than destroying and creating everything.

The Phases she sticks Touma in have stars.

The twinkling of the stars in the sky was an ominous ill omen.

Each and every one of them transformed into a sharp spear of light and poured down like rain.

Galaxies, matter, time, and fate, also exist.


And even shit like heaven and hell.


And MG powers are explicitly painting over the world.


And the words world, and phase are used interchangeably in Toaru.

"And you seem confused as to the scale we are talking about."

"What? Are you saying there's more?"

"Why are you talking about this on the tiny scale of Tokyo Bay? What I destroyed is not contained to just the small planet known as Earth."

Rather than just being destroyed once, the world had been remade into millions or even billions of forms to break Kamijou's mind, but it seemed their imagination had not brought them that far.


So everything in Toaru supports that phases are universe-sized dimensions, at least the one that Othinus creates. And yet somehow that isn't actually universal. Despite how they are explicitly universe-sized and literally exactly like universes, destroying them isn't equal to destroying a universe.

Does that logic sound right in your head? I'm pretty sure there's a contradiction there. Like how does destroying something explicitly identical to a universe, not make you universal?
No? We've been over that, that's why it's not being recognized no more than destroying multiple planets one after the other doesn't make you Solar System.
And I'm gonna parrot what @Irradiance says, what?

I'm pretty sure the plus modifier means that you can casually destroy this, but can't destroy the next best thing.

Like someone whose a country buster+ is capable of casually destroying countries but not a continent.

Using your own example someone who can casually destroy planets but can't destroy a star would be planet busting+

Following this logic, someone who can casually destroy multiple universes but not an entire multiverse would be universal+.

Othinus is capable of destroying and creating billions of universe-sized dimensions that are identical to the universe, but not an entire multiverse. So she's universal+ in my definition.

So then what definition of universal+ are you using?
 
Toaru literally has the same thing.


So Marvel's applicable but Toaru's isn't?
 
I did that cause you and everyone kept trolling, downplaying and kept going 'I can't understand phases' and when I explain phases. People still pretend they don't understand despite that.

No because it doesn't even fit with what the author stated that there is literally just the one Universe in To Aru, that's the entire problem.


Golden, I'm going to tell you this again and this is why Blade keeps saying the same thing so I will say it here for the 3RD TIME.
It doesn't matter how many Universes Othinus destroys, that doesn't make her or any other being in To Aru Multiversal or even Universe+ because that's not how our figures work.

This is WHY we keep saying the things we have said "Destroying a trillion planets overtime doesn't make you equal to destroying the Sun" because in how we do things, Universe+ means destroying the Universe and the very space OUTSIDE of the Universe and fully fuck that up. Notice how we go about with DBS and Goku and Beerus having Universe+ isn't due to them destroying 2 Universes, it's the SPACE BETWEEN THE UNIVERSES that is counted as well.

Kamachi explicitly saying that there is only ONE universe in To Aru damned it completely because it doesn't matter even if we count Universal Phases, it's still just Universe level entirely.

Why do you think I don't do the same stuff for Fate and we keep the Nasuverse Earth at just Large Planet+(Because Earth's influence as well as Humanities extend well past Earth but not enough to where it would matter majorly) if you want me to use an example like that? It's not done for the hell it there either, it's to fit with the rules and how that series works.

That's why Blade is slagging you as you aren't actually LISTENING to us, you are basically walking around us.
 

It was over before it began
I'm not even debating Genis VS Toaru anymore, as I told @Masterblack06 I've accepted that Toaru will lose. I'm just stumped by all of this shitty debating.

Like I ask @Blade hey how powerful is this Genis dude? Because I don't know comics outside of the DCEU and MCU. Especially seemingly obscure characters.

He says.

"He fought this clone of Galactus and Thanos, oh but he isn't multiversal like Galactus is but Universal+."


"And created a Big Bang that helped defeat Eternity whose universal+."


And I'm like okay, here's proof that Othinus is universal+ plus as well, how universal+ is Genis? How powerful was the big bangs

Instead of actually answering like @GregSteve did and saying he had the Power Cosmic or Ultimate Nullifier, he instead just calls me a 'Sb bot' and ignores everything I say because what? I asked for proof?

And in the middle Xhominid and me arguing.
 
the way Phases are described sound more like dimensions. For a lot of dimensional stuff unless it's exactly stated or shown to be universes sized, we don't normally peg them as being universal iirc. Otherwise we would have universe level kaguya and shit because her dimensions had stars and gravity and time, etc.

Is there any quotes or anything explicitly calling these dimensions "universe sized" in anyway?

With marvel these are easy to find
 
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I already posted those in the first page keep up.
 
You keep up I said I didn't read the thread and even apologized if you guys needed to re tell me something again.

Don't make me take back the apology
 
Then maybe you and @Blade should've explained that? I and @Irradiance asked this question before and only now are your answering.
 
Then maybe you and @Blade should've explained that? I and @Irradiance asked this question before and only now are your answering.

Blade was saying that the second he responded to you, you didn't catch up on it or even said why me and Blade said the same thing from the very start.

This was literally my first rebuttal and you ignored it and I said it again in this page.
 
Blade was saying that the second he responded to you, you didn't catch up on it or even said why me and Blade said the same thing from the very start.
You didn't say why it wasn't universal+ just that it isn't. You never said that destroying things outside the universe is what's accepted as universal+ till now neither did Blade.