OBD Convo #31: as long as we are in the path of justice, dont be afraid

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Masterblack06

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>After alfred became the specter it turns out damian got infected
>begins to turn
>tells alfred not to fuck everything into oblivion but instead save everyone
>alfred dips out to go grab the cure that they left back on earth
>darkseid, supergirl, and warworld show up
>Jon holds him back with braniac
>Darkseid infects brainiac
>if cyborg wasnt there to stop him braniac would have destroyed all the bottled worlds he had
>cyborg absorbs braniac using his motherbox
>reverse enginers his tech and frees the people of kandor
>they all work together to hold back darkseid and the antiliving
>Jon takes a planet destroying laser to the face in order to obliterate warworld
>everyone still alive gets cured
>darkseid would have died if superman didnt vouch for him
>darkseid gets told he was made a pawn
>swears vengence

Man Dceased is fucking wild
 

Astaro

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TBF ainz rage has nothing to do with what happened to her? They were going to be tortured and slaughtered regardless, nobody that set foot within the tomb was ever leaving. The only difference between what happened in cannon and what would happen if they hadn't used ainz freinds names/begged for arches life is arche would have lived through her torture.

I understand being disgusted by what happened but I feel like people associate ainz anger at them with what winds up happening...When that was the plan from the start, nothing they did or said affected the plan beyond killing arche early on rather then keeping her alive for horrendous experiments.
Rest of Arche’s group ask Ainz to let just her go in return for him punishing them however he likes, so he “spares” her by just having her killed quickly as opposed to the inhumane torture he has in store for them.

All of this he had complete control over. Please stop making excuses for this degenerate
 

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Astaro

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WAGA TAMASHII

So a Level 8 Red Dragon Archfiend retrain that replaces itself when removed from the field in any way including of course Synchro summoning with it

New Resonator that searches any Level 4 or lower Fiend and a Balelynx style protection from
grave

Bone Archfiend is definitely what Jack needs: More good maindeck Non Tuner monsters for Synchro summoning with. Tuners he has more than nailed down with Resonaters
 

Randomdude

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Rest of Arche’s group ask Ainz to let just her go in return for him punishing them however he likes, so he “spares” her by just having her killed quickly as opposed to the inhumane torture he has in store for them.

All of this he had complete control over. Please stop making excuses for this degenerate
Im not? Im pointing out ainz being upset didn't change or affect his plans at all, literally nothing they did mattered, they were all going to suffer horrendously and die from the moment they entered the tomb. Ainz getting upset about his friends quite simply did not matter in relation to the fate of arche and her group...

Please find me a place where I excused what ainz did/claimed it wasn't hilariously evil.

Im just pointing out I feel the events get tied together to somehow imply their suffering was due to them upsetting ainz, which isn't the case. Every single person that entered nazarick that day was tortured or died horribly because that was the plan from the start

Of course ainz has control over what happened/how it happened. Where do I imply otherwise? Again my point was simply the fate of the workers wasn't affected by them upsetting ainz.
 

Astaro

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Im not? Im pointing out ainz being upset didn't change or affect his plans at all, literally nothing they did mattered, they were all going to suffer horrendously and die from the moment they entered the tomb. Ainz getting upset about his friends quite simply did not matter in relation to the fate of arche and her group...

Please find me a place where I excused what ainz did/claimed it was hilariously evil.

Im just pointing out I feel the events get tied together to somehow imply their suffering was due to them upsetting ainz, which isn't the case. Every single person that entered nazarick that day was tortured or died horribly because that was the plan from the start
Except he does have control. Anything he says goes no matter what in the Tomb and if he told his minions to spare anyone they would. He could have spared them from the situation he put them into in the first place but didn’t because he’s a petty asshole
 

Randomdude

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Except he does have control. Anything he says goes no matter what in the Tomb and if he told his minions to spare anyone they would. He could have spared them from the situation he put them into in the first place but didn’t because he’s a petty asshol
I think you misunderstand my point, I never claimed ainz couldn't stop it, quite simply that they're actions in no way affected the plan. Ainz is a petty asshole but him not sparing them isn't a result of them upsetting him in the moment, it's a result of that literally being the plan.

As I said nobody that entered that tomb was going to leave it, that was always the idea and nothing arche and her group did mattered after they set foot in the tomb. (The most they changed was arche getting a swift death which literally nobody else in the tomb got the mercy of)

Reread my points I never claimed ainz couldn't stop it, or that this situation wasn't entirely the result of him being evil (TBf you can also put some blame demiurge being a dick, the plans a bit outside ainz capabilities/thought processes. But ainz has the authority to say no stop it and doesn't so the ultimate blame falls to him). Just that him getting upset over his friends quite simply did not matter in the scheme of things.
 

Astaro

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I think you misunderstand my point, I never claimed ainz couldn't stop it, quite simply that they're actions in no way affected the plan. Ainz is a petty asshole but him not sparing them isn't a result of them upsetting him in the moment, it's a result of that literally being the plan.

As I said nobody that entered that tomb was going to leave it, that was always the idea and nothing arche and her group did mattered after they set foot in the tomb. (The most they changed was arche getting a swift death which literally nobody else in the tomb got the mercy of)

Reread my points I never claimed ainz couldn't stop it, or that this situation wasn't entirely the result of him being evil (TBf you can also put some blame demiurge being a dick, the plans a bit outside ainz capabilities/thought processes. But ainz has the authority to say no stop it and doesn't so the ultimate blame falls to him). Just that him getting upset over his friends quite simply did not matter in the scheme of things.
And your not getting my point. He’s a petty asshole either way not even having the decency to honor sparing just one of the adventurers at the request of the rest of the group, even going so far as making it look like he’s keeping his word of letting her go for a moment just to give Shalltear the command to have her killed anyway.
 

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And your not getting my point. He’s a petty asshole either way not even having the decency to honor sparing just one of the adventurers at the request of the rest of the group, even going so far as making it look like he’s keeping his word of letting her go for a moment just to give Shalltear the command to have her killed anyway.
I mean what he did was very much a mercy compared to her friends (Whom by authors twitter still haven't been given the mercy of death of death at this point despite one being a vegetable and the others being used as puppets/nest by a flesh parasite), you seem upset at something that to me seems incredibly petty/minor in the grand scheme of what happened. Ainz not taking part/intereacting with them at all would be the exact same, them not pissing of ainz would be the exact same.

The only effect they had on their fate was killing arche rather then having her suffer.

Like I get being pissed at ainz for doing it/allowing it but I don't really get being pissed about ainz fit of anger/cruelty. He signed off on these people being tortured to the worst extents imaginable when demiurge came up with the plan. Be upset at that. The moment of emotion/anger doesn't really matter or affect what happened to them.

Yes ainz is incredibly stupidly petty, Ive never denied that, but this probably isn't the strongest show of it imo. Since they were slated for fates worse than death from the start.
 
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Astaro

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I mean what he did was very much a mercy compared to her friends (Whom by authors twitter still haven't been given the mercy of death of death at this point despite one being a vegetable and the others being used as puppets/nest by a flesh parasite), you seem upset at something that to me seems incredibly petty/minor in the grand scheme of what happened. Ainz not taking part/intereacting with them at all would be the exact same, them not pissing of ainz would be the exact same.

The only effect they had on their fate was killing arche rather then having her suffer.

Like I get being pissed at ainz for doing it/allowing it but I don't really get being pissed about ainz fit of anger/cruelty. He signed off on these people being tortured to the worst extents imaginable when demiurge came up with the plan. Be upset at that. The moment of emotion/anger doesn't really matter or affect what happened to them.

Yes ainz is incredibly stupidly petty, Ive never denied that, but this probably isn't the strongest show of it imo. Since they were slated for fates worse than death from the start.
Hey Ainz just gave the command to have a little girl murdered but at least he spared her from being mind raped into a vegetable or turned into a living, parasite-riddled human hive like he did her friends.

What a swell guy.

Oh I know it only gets worse from there. Since we both agree he’s an asshole, than stop fucking arguing with me over how much of one he is or isn’t. Especially since this is all from a post I made several days ago.
 

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Hey Ainz just gave the command to have a little girl murdered but at least he spared her from being mind raped into a vegetable or turned into a living, parasite-riddled human hive like he did her friends.

What a swell guy.

Oh I know it only gets worse from there. Since we both agree he’s an asshole, than stop fucking arguing with me over how much of one he is or isn’t. Especially since this is all from a post I made several days ago.
Yes I consider that infinitely merciful compared to the alternatives, still horrendously evil but the fact is it's prefrable

I mean if you want a infinitely better example of ainz being a petty asshole use this from volume 14
I shall reward you appropriately for your accomplishment. So, what do you wish for?”

“Please spare me and my family! Your Majesty the Sorcerer King! I swear my absolute fealty to you!” Suddenly, the noble behind the representative began yelling, prompting the annoyed representative to bark,

“This guy! Me too! Your Majesty! Please extend the same mercy to me too!” More and more “me too!”s piled on.

Ainz waved his hands magnanimously to silence their pleas.

“—I understand. I understand. I completely understand you all. Everybody here wishes for the same thing, correct?” The noble began nodding their heads furiously, “Is that so? Well, I will not kill you then. Albedo — send them to Neuronist.” “—Understood.” “Your Majesty, what about our families…?” Ainz did not overlook one of the nobles attempting to whisper to him.

“Your families too?” Ainz smiled. Of course, they had no way of perceiving that. “What will I do with you all? Albedo, inquire where their families are and send them over too."
AInz condemns entire families to the worst torture imaginable while letting them think they're going to a safe place, while internally grinning about sending them to a torturer, all because they killed a man ainz planned to kill from the start, a man ainz could easily resurrect with a wave of his hand.

I just don't consider arche a good show of pettiness, evil and cruelty? Yes definitely. Pettiness eh. I never argued about ainz being an evil ass hole though? Simply that the example you were using is often misunderstood/a poor show of how petty he can be since it wasn't a moment of ainz letting his cruelty/pettiness get the better of him but a planned out sequence of events the workers and ainz emotions had little impact on.

As for the late reply? I was away from the internet and was play catch up my apologies.
 
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