Game Ranked OLF Christmas Mafia 2023 (Day 9)

[Rugrat]

flower has looked like trash

 

[Flower]

would you mind quoting that CP case real quick? I think I know which post you're talking about just would save the trouble of finding it again

This:

So I'm going to categorically rule out Ultra/Ratchet being teamed here, as it is not in either player's scum meta to play in each other's lane and tie themselves to the hip like this. Especially over something like trying to get a Luka mislynch d1, at the expense of battling it out with a Gram/Poyser tandem. I think the inverse is true with Gram/Poyser going hard to defend a Luka town read against players who know him better.

Given this, I think that what Ratchet/Ultra are saying about Luka obviously has to have some merit. They both have more experience playing with him than either Gram or Poyser, who I do think have biases against Luka's playstyle. Also, as someone who was teamed with Luka last game, I actually thought he played quite well and managed to keep a consistent narrative throughout the game despite being hyper active, which is impressive for anyone to do as scum. I felt like Gram was discounting that quite a bit in the dead QT so not surprised to see him continue to discount Luka's ability here. I think it's genuine coming from him at least. Not really sold on any of Ultra/Ratchet/Poyser individually but can at least rule out Ultra/Ratchet being teamed and I think Gram is town.

I also have to say that I wouldn't be surprised if Ratchet and Luka are teamed again. Ratchet jumped on Luka as soon as it was pointed out that he flipped his poyser read on a dime. Last game Ratchet mostly pushed his teammates and I could see him wanting to mostly town-side again here, especially if he's drawn scum for the third time in a row. Ultra came to it much more organically. But actually most of Ratchet's focus has been shading poyser's reason for town reading Luka which comes off as trying to make him look bad on a Luka scum flip to set up a poyser mislynch d2. Maybe he's on to something and poyser is protecting his teammate but I don't think poyser's progression fits that theory super comfortably

In other words I think Ultra/Ratchet are right but I think Ratchet is a little too sure that he's right and is trying to set up poyser for a fall here

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

Flower doesn't look very town is my honest impression surprisingly. I think she only looks town in relation to her aggression towards Ratchet. Something about that combination of factors makes me smell Kabuki theatre, Flower isn't a risk taker and always always goes for low hanging fruit first. Don't buy her explanation that she's had a coming to God moment.

actually good point

 

[Ultra]

I’ve no experience with the bloke who got killed, but as far as I know he isn’t considered among the top echelon of players. Absent of a bodyguard or watcher; which may be on the same player, may not be used, may be a scum role etc, scum have free rein to kill who they want. Why would they kill a weaker player when they could kill a stronger one?

Ratchet staying alive as the lone top player for multiple phases was something people were ridiculed for. People are thus highly alert for the better regarded players staying alive in the later phases. As such, a scum with a top player would be more reluctant to kill the other top players early when they could perhaps be in the same position with “why are you alive spec?; this isn’t a nail in the coffin for Odo in particular as it’d be silly to just lynch or push the top players for this. I’m just strongly leaning towards a top player on the scum team and he would also fit that bill too.

What I was actually asking is following this, what have you done to rule out other candidates

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

Hasn't Nibel been scum before on OLF?

yeah on ultras game

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

also note ratchet was pretty bummed at randing scum in a row last game and having to play until end game. if he gets it again pretty sure hes gonna just check out lol

 

[Flower]

Flower doesn't look very town is my honest impression surprisingly. I think she only looks town in relation to her aggression towards Ratchet. Something about that combination of factors makes me smell Kabuki theatre, Flower isn't a risk taker and always always goes for low hanging fruit first. Don't buy her explanation that she's had a coming to God moment.

So you agree that Ratchet is scummy, then, yes?

 

[Sky]

This:

Yep that's the one, I like the thought process there

 

[Rugrat]

What I was actually asking is following this, what have you done to rule out other candidates

I mentioned in the post, I had the three reasons for thinking Odo is scum AND I have reason to believe mafia have a T1.

To clarify; I’m not saying I have specific reason to believe this is an Odo kill. Just that scum have a T1 and I have existing cause to suggest Odo is scum.

 

[Sky]

yeah on ultras game

I think about Nibel in Ultra's game and I think of the opposite of ducking

 

[Sky]

I mentioned in the post, I had the three reasons for thinking Odo is scum AND I have reason to believe mafia have a T1.

To clarify; I’m not saying I have specific reason to believe this is an Odo kill. Just that scum have a T1 and I have existing cause to suggest Odo is scum.

Mechanically?

 

[Fujishiro]

Vote Ratchet.

Not fully caught up yet, but somebody pressure that. Srsly.

Leave my man alone smh.

 

[Flower]

Yep that's the one, I like the thought process there

I was vibing with that a lot when I read it yesterday.

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

Checks out he's been pussyfooting

We're not lynching him today though. Too easy. We gotta lynch a T1

its pretty much a freebie

aight who we cooking from t1s

we finna put gram/poyser on a stove?

 

[Rugrat]

What I was actually asking is following this, what have you done to rule out other candidates

I’ve not ruled out any of the T1’s except Poyser who I think is town.

I think Odo is scum for other reasons but the current evidence points towards a T1 in the scum team which makes me link Odo

 

[Ultra]

So you agree that Ratchet is scummy, then, yes?

Ooh.

This is a very non-Flower response as well

Identified that I think she/Ratchet could be distancing and attempts to appeal to common ground

What she doesn't realize is that she forgot the part where she's supposed to throw a fit here at such a slanderous accusation

 

[Flower]

Fwiw Gram hinted at something which makes me think he's Town.

 

[Rugrat]

I have nothing mechanical on Odo, nor do I trust anyone with anything mechanical at this point either.

 

[Rugrat]

Fwiw Gram hinted at something which makes me think he's Town.

You didn’t read a word of my case, and just dismissed it with a rubbish fake excuse.

 

[Flower]

Ooh.

This is a very non-Flower response as well

Identified that I think she/Ratchet could be distancing and attempts to appeal to common ground

What she doesn't realize is that she forgot the part where she's supposed to throw a fit here at such a slanderous accusation

Again, what's your take on Ratchet?