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Arne Slot
The Shiny One
So I'm going to categorically rule out Ultra/Ratchet being teamed here, as it is not in either player's scum meta to play in each other's lane and tie themselves to the hip like this. Especially over something like trying to get a Luka mislynch d1, at the expense of battling it out with a Gram/Poyser tandem. I think the inverse is true with Gram/Poyser going hard to defend a Luka town read against players who know him better.
Given this, I think that what Ratchet/Ultra are saying about Luka obviously has to have some merit. They both have more experience playing with him than either Gram or Poyser, who I do think have biases against Luka's playstyle. Also, as someone who was teamed with Luka last game, I actually thought he played quite well and managed to keep a consistent narrative throughout the game despite being hyper active, which is impressive for anyone to do as scum. I felt like Gram was discounting that quite a bit in the dead QT so not surprised to see him continue to discount Luka's ability here. I think it's genuine coming from him at least. Not really sold on any of Ultra/Ratchet/Poyser individually but can at least rule out Ultra/Ratchet being teamed and I think Gram is town.
I also have to say that I wouldn't be surprised if Ratchet and Luka are teamed again. Ratchet jumped on Luka as soon as it was pointed out that he flipped his poyser read on a dime. Last game Ratchet mostly pushed his teammates and I could see him wanting to mostly town-side again here, especially if he's drawn scum for the third time in a row. Ultra came to it much more organically. But actually most of Ratchet's focus has been shading poyser's reason for town reading Luka which comes off as trying to make him look bad on a Luka scum flip to set up a poyser mislynch d2. Maybe he's on to something and poyser is protecting his teammate but I don't think poyser's progression fits that theory super comfortably
In other words I think Ultra/Ratchet are right but I think Ratchet is a little too sure that he's right and is trying to set up poyser for a fall here
Given this, I think that what Ratchet/Ultra are saying about Luka obviously has to have some merit. They both have more experience playing with him than either Gram or Poyser, who I do think have biases against Luka's playstyle. Also, as someone who was teamed with Luka last game, I actually thought he played quite well and managed to keep a consistent narrative throughout the game despite being hyper active, which is impressive for anyone to do as scum. I felt like Gram was discounting that quite a bit in the dead QT so not surprised to see him continue to discount Luka's ability here. I think it's genuine coming from him at least. Not really sold on any of Ultra/Ratchet/Poyser individually but can at least rule out Ultra/Ratchet being teamed and I think Gram is town.
I also have to say that I wouldn't be surprised if Ratchet and Luka are teamed again. Ratchet jumped on Luka as soon as it was pointed out that he flipped his poyser read on a dime. Last game Ratchet mostly pushed his teammates and I could see him wanting to mostly town-side again here, especially if he's drawn scum for the third time in a row. Ultra came to it much more organically. But actually most of Ratchet's focus has been shading poyser's reason for town reading Luka which comes off as trying to make him look bad on a Luka scum flip to set up a poyser mislynch d2. Maybe he's on to something and poyser is protecting his teammate but I don't think poyser's progression fits that theory super comfortably
In other words I think Ultra/Ratchet are right but I think Ratchet is a little too sure that he's right and is trying to set up poyser for a fall here
Polar Bear
G.O.A.T
Lol. Would claiming my character help you off your tunnel?
I mean I doubt it helps solve so anytime
Dr_Professor83
Greatest Loser
In my completely unbiased opinion Ratchet is clearly the towniest town! Along with Fuji who is the co towniest townie town.
Arne Slot
The Shiny One
why not t-pein? you agreed with me on him right?
Bachi
Distinguished
Just an early vote to see Hekkos reaction, spoilers: -I have received no feedback on this vote from Ekko-
Not a big fan of this vote, for context, I only played 1 game with Luka, where he was scum& and I was town, he voted me in that game using the same line of logic,
indie hunting is bad(i was his first vote also) I feel that his read on me is just some content fodder stuff covered as contribution; i have no clue how he plays as town, so cant rly say if this is within his town range. What I have for sure, is that this read is in his scum range, #142, this interaction is basically 1/1 copy-paste from that game. sus on Luka from this...
Arne Slot
The Shiny One
this vibes as extremely fake
I dunno, but I ain't takin' any chances...
I can see the angle. I think it's a bit easier for me to buy equity with Poyser, not for the defense but the way he kinda seemed to play all sides before the discussion took off, and Luka's backtrack on him. Dunno about Gram
I think you're extrapolating a lot from what is actually given here. On principle I don't mind how you came to the conclusion, but my issue with Poyser is primary his jutlstification for town reading Luka which came at a pretty convenient time for him. I absolutely believe they can be teamed, but I'd give Poyser a fair shout regardless of Luka's flip/it wouldn't be the sole thing I use to read him. That is, after all, why my vote is on Luka and not him. I wouldn't say I'm too sure about being right either - his read progression reads to me as obviously manufactured so I'm going to handle that how I see it. The reason I don't mind your conclusion though is that if you're going to tie a player to a scum mate (in this scenario he would be your scum mate) you'd be better served following my lead or just siding against me entirely (in the event you're scum with Poyser and Luka).
But this, however, is a silly gotcha attempt. Yes I agree with you, by and large I wouldn't be against it and would even support it, but I also think Polar is likely scum (you reacted in agreement to that, so I know you're aware of it), given that my vote was there before Luka I'm perfectly happy to go back to that under Ekko's given premise, I was asked where I'd vote so not a fan of how you've framed this. I can only vote once!
Just an early vote to see Hekkos reaction, spoilers: -I have received no feedback on this vote from Ekko-
Not a big fan of this vote, for context, I only played 1 game with Luka, where he was scum& and I was town, he voted me in that game using the same line of logic,indie hunting is bad(i was his first vote also) I feel that his read on me is just some content fodder stuff covered as contribution; i have no clue how he plays as town, so cant rly say if this is within his town range. What I have for sure, is that this read is in his scum range, #142, this interaction is basically 1/1 copy-paste from that game. sus on Luka from this...
Damn Bachi came with receipts. Exposed.
Arne Slot
The Shiny One
wasn't a gotcha attempt, it was a question. this comes off very defensive to me
Bachi
Distinguished
Well I not sure that he is scum just for this, but he cant keep getting away with it
I think it was a gotcha attempt lol, you framed it as "why not T-Pein", not "what about T-Pein". The latter is obviously just a question, the former is expressing the expectation that I would say T-Pein, when that isn't really earned from what I've said thus far.
Arne Slot
The Shiny One
no I scum read t-pein and am gauging how much you agree with me on that slot. there is no gotcha whatsoever and how could there be? unless I'm trying to tie you to luka AND t-pein but that's a bit much for me d1
Arne Slot
The Shiny One
I think the post before it actually distorted your perception
Why would you need to gauge my agreement when I've already said "yes I agree", in fact, I deferred back to your points on him in that, so ???