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Game Ranked OLF Christmas Mafia 2023 (Day 9)

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Sell me on your position on Gram, I'm mostly thinking along the Luka, Fuji, Ratchet paradigm and thought he was fine D1
 
Ultra said:
I'm basically asking you to give reads in the other T1's, because while you suspecting Gram is logically consistent with this theory, it isn't mutually exclusive either, so my assumption is there should be some comparison going on before you cased him.
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I don’t suspect Gram over Poyser, CP, you, Ratchet for the kill choice, I suspect him for the first three reasons in my case.

A T1 being scum acts as secondary support for my primary reasons. I don’t think “this is definitely a Grammaton kill”, I think it’s a T1 kill and I’m suspicious of him - so he’s a fitting culprit.

My reads on the T1’s presently:

Poyser - Town
You - Lean Scum
CP - Lean Town
Ratchet - Neutral (I think Ratchet declaring an excess of time as a reason for holding his vote and then not voting would be very complacent. Is he complacent as scum? You tell me.)
 
Caldust said:
WHY I THINK ODO IS SCUM

- Gram started the game claiming he’d caught me for certain based on my play in 20 fucking 19.

- He stated that Alco was his preferred direction but didn’t vote him until CP voted him. He himself mentions he doesn’t sheep, so this is weird. There’s an element of meta in this, but saying someone is your preferred direction and waiting until someone else votes them is poor

- He stated that he thought Luka‘s wagon was mostly scum on, but pushed a binary Luka vs Aurelian dichotomy. He has the sway to push something else, so this is lazy.

- He has softed that he has a role that would stop him being killed for a while. What on earth does this achieve other than being role copped? It also sounds like something that would give a handy excuse for a scum Odo to mitigate against “why are you alive spec?”.

- A fairly less known player was jamitored early which I suspect was done by a T1 to presumably present that this scum team won’t just be killing T1’s and give answer to why the “better” players are alive.

The last line works on the basis he’s scum, but there’s a lot here that makes me think we should push him now.
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Sky said:
Sell me on your position on Gram, I'm mostly thinking along the Luka, Fuji, Ratchet paradigm and thought he was fine D1
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Here
 
Prof (1): Polar
Luka (6): Tempest, Gad, Gram, Sky, Bachi, Ekko
Evans (1): Ratchet
Aurelian (16): Poyser, Alco, Tweet, Evans, Ichigo, The X, Nibel, Caldust, Luka, Lethal, TPein, Ultra, Prof, Aurelian, Fuji

So Polar & Ratchet's votes did nothing and were a waste imo.

Last few votes on Fang's wagon seem smelly - Prof has claimed survivor yeah? Ultra conceded after Fang gave up. So Fuji & Pein look bad. I jumped back on at Poyser's prodding after I was the initial wagon starter. Luka being there too but could be down to self preservation. Cal leaning town so he's a good boy.
 
Caldust said:
I don’t suspect Gram over Poyser, CP, you, Ratchet for the kill choice, I suspect him for the first three reasons in my case.

A T1 being scum acts as secondary support for my primary reasons. I don’t think “this is definitely a Grammaton kill”, I think it’s a T1 kill and I’m suspicious of him - so he’s a fitting culprit.

My reads on the T1’s presently:

Poyser - Town
You - Lean Scum
CP - Lean Town
Ratchet - Neutral (I think Ratchet declaring an excess of time as a reason for holding his vote and then not voting would be very complacent. Is he complacent as scum? You tell me.)
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Ratchet it depends on his mood honestly

Mind taking a pitstop to get Flower to claim here?
 
What’s the consensus on @Flower not reading my case, then dismissing my case and then finally declaring Odo town just because he checks notes vaguely mentioned a fake (which he might have been given by the host)?

Surely she’d have caution about the better players early after Ratchet’s win where she deferred to a top player completely and withdrew her Hime read?
 
Caldust said:
What’s the consensus on @Flower not reading my case, then dismissing my case and then finally declaring Odo town just because he checks notes vaguely mentioned a fake (which he might have been given by the host)?

Surely she’d have caution about the better players early after Ratchet’s win where she deferred to a top player completely and withdrew her Hime read?
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...what...
 
Caldust said:
What’s the consensus on @Flower not reading my case, then dismissing my case and then finally declaring Odo town just because he checks notes vaguely mentioned a fake (which he might have been given by the host)?

Surely she’d have caution about the better players early after Ratchet’s win where she deferred to a top player completely and withdrew her Hime read?
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Is it worth getting worked up over? I mean it's a very solid case and should see more votes on it. Is her addressing it going to help you progress your solve?
 
Honestly it'll be annoying if Gram turns out scumboi because that makes my N1 usage look a lot worse :francis:
 
Lethal said:
Prof (1): Polar
Luka (6): Tempest, Gad, Gram, Sky, Bachi, Ekko
Evans (1): Ratchet
Aurelian (16): Poyser, Alco, Tweet, Evans, Ichigo, The X, Nibel, Caldust, Luka, Lethal, TPein, Ultra, Prof, Aurelian, Fuji

So Polar & Ratchet's votes did nothing and were a waste imo.

Last few votes on Fang's wagon seem smelly - Prof has claimed survivor yeah? Ultra conceded after Fang gave up. So Fuji & Pein look bad. I jumped back on at Poyser's prodding after I was the initial wagon starter. Luka being there too but could be down to self preservation. Cal leaning town so he's a good boy.
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What do you have Poyser as blue for you oblivion NPC? Terrible. He could kill a hooker in broad daylight I swear to god.
 
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