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Ratchet · Sep 13, 2023

Sigismund said:
Then you have no reason to be bringing up 3rd man theory when yes that was the basis of your problem with me

Again, I've told you, explicitly, what my issue with your vote was. You keep tying it back to this silly theory and arguing against that - I don't really believe that the third person who votes in a wagon is always scum. That would be ridiculous, and I don't think for a second you truly believe that I was arguing that. I played it off initially to let it play out, but now we're at the point where I've shored your understanding up, and you keep wanting to deflect back to it. I suspect this is because you're incapable of arguing against what I'm actually taking exception with, so you keep going back to something you can argue against as a means of addressing my arguments. Feel free to prove me wrong.

Sigismund · Sep 13, 2023

Ratchet said:
Yes I did. You can't just insist it didn't happen because you aren't registering it. My argument is perfectly within reason. I think his vote is less egregious and I can reconcile it very easily as within character for him. You do not have this going for you. Instead, you keep wanting me to go back to Ultra as if suspecting you means I must suspect him - ignorant of the fact apparently that you are two very different players. I'm well aware that I can talk to him alongside you - I have no reason to do so.

Holy shit, no your argument is not within reason. By your own argument, you should be talking to us both, which is what I am saying, not to just drop me, and go fully for Ultra.
.... What the fuck is your second sentence. "This is very easily within character for him, its not for you"
thats just straight up bullshit and you know it. I meme and fluff post a shitton, youve known that for years. "Cant reconcile that with your character" my ass

Sky · Sep 13, 2023

Ratchet's motivation seems entirely to be to justify the previous mistake of singling out Sig early, rather than an actual scumhunting purpose

Sigismund · Sep 13, 2023

Ratchet said:
I assume you'd like to take over questioning then? Or are you just going to vote anyone who has some votes on them?

Ratchet said:
What makes you think it's random, as opposed to being motivated by some other factor?

Sky said:
It's fluff phase, come on

Unless you've got your own agenda and it involves getting rid of Sig

Ratchet said:
Yours was the 3rd vote, which made it the most egregious to me of the bunch.

Ratchet said:
Time will tell!

Ratchet said:
Again, I've told you, explicitly, what my issue with your vote was. You keep tying it back to this silly theory and arguing against that - I don't really believe that the third person who votes in a wagon is always scum. That would be ridiculous, and I don't think for a second you truly believe that I was arguing that. I played it off initially to let it play out, but now we're at the point where I've shored your understanding up, and you keep wanting to deflect back to it. I suspect this is because you're incapable of arguing against what I'm actually taking exception with, so you keep going back to something you can argue against as a means of addressing my arguments. Feel free to prove me wrong.

Yeah I believe thats what you were arguing based on your own words. No your only real problem with me was that I voted 3rd

Lethal · Sep 13, 2023

Why is Sigismund so angry and abrasive?

Ratchet · Sep 13, 2023

Sigismund said:
Holy shit, no your argument is not within reason. By your own argument, you should be talking to us both, which is what I am saying, not to just drop me, and go fully for Ultra.
.... What the fuck is your second sentence. "This is very easily within character for him, its not for you"
thats just straight up bullshit and you know it. I meme and fluff post a shitton, youve known that for years. "Cant reconcile that with your character" my ass

What? Like seriously, what? My argument is that your vote ran the risk of putting enough pressure on Kurumi that she might, plausibly, claim. None of what I said requires me to take the same issue with Ultra's vote that I have with yours. I've explained this enough times by now.

The second sentence stands. For Ultra, it is very much in character for him to try and get under the skin of Kurumi, and I don't think he would be too annoyed at her claiming out of this annoyance. I do not think you are of the same mindset as him. It has less to do with meme and fluff posting, and more to do with lacking regard for the consequences of this specific action.

Bachi · Sep 13, 2023

Hello fellow sapiens

Bachi · Sep 13, 2023

nice day innit

Aurelian · Sep 13, 2023

Ratchet said:
Uh, just take the town read.

You missed the joke my man

Hans Tweetenberg · Sep 13, 2023

Sky said:
You call it unsolicited defence, I call it "there's literally no legit reason to sus this person so why are you sussing them"

So I guess according to you we should just not vote anybody unless they come in here and claim scum?

Aurelian · Sep 13, 2023

Lethal said:
Fang brushing it off doesn't ease my concern.

Sky jumping down everyones throat

Can you quantify how I actually seem nervous?

Ratchet · Sep 13, 2023

Sigismund said:
Yeah I believe thats what you were arguing based on your own words. No your only real problem with me was that I voted 3rd

You have no excuse for this - you've opted to try and tell me what I'm thinking lol. I've told you exactly what the issue is, you don't get to tell me it's something else because you think it's easier to address.

I can see your reaction as coming from town that's annoyed here - but it's a poor reaction because you're not extending any sort of charity to my actions, and it's really only because it's addressed to you. You've played long enough by now to be able to get past this sort of mindset, hence why I have some reservations with your responses.

Sigismund · Sep 13, 2023

Ratchet said:
What? Like seriously, what? My argument is that your vote ran the risk of putting enough pressure on Kurumi that she might, plausibly, claim. None of what I said requires me to take the same issue with Ultra's vote that I have with yours. I've explained this enough times by now.

The second sentence stands. For Ultra, it is very much in character for him to try and get under the skin of Kurumi, and I don't think he would be too annoyed at her claiming out of this annoyance. I do not think you are of the same mindset as him. It has less to do with meme and fluff posting, and more to do with lacking regard for the consequences of this specific action.

So like I said, and like you said, your main issue was I voted 3rd. Not that I voted at all, not even that I lacked an explanation, but because of my position on where I voted. Your sophistry beyond that is nice, but its still boils down to "3rd man theory" by your own admission here and in other posts.

Sky · Sep 13, 2023

Hans Tweetenberg said:
So I guess according to you we should just not vote anybody unless they come in here and claim scum?

Bruh what

How is that even a valid inference from anything I posted

Sky · Sep 13, 2023

For one thing I am voting Ratchet

Ratchet · Sep 13, 2023

Sigismund said:
So like I said, and like you said, your main issue was I voted 3rd. Not that I voted at all, not even that I lacked an explanation, but because of my position on where I voted. Your sophistry beyond that is nice, but its still boils down to "3rd man theory" by your own admission here and in other posts.

Only insofar as being third presented more risk, which is, charitably, careless of you. It has nothing to do with it being random chance, or some theory or whatever. Like, Christ, do you really believe I suspect you because of you being the third vote outright? It's not sophistry, it's context.

Bachi · Sep 13, 2023

Ratchet said:
What? Like seriously, what? My argument is that your vote ran the risk of putting enough pressure on Kurumi that she might, plausibly, claim. None of what I said requires me to take the same issue with Ultra's vote that I have with yours. I've explained this enough times by now.

The second sentence stands. For Ultra, it is very much in character for him to try and get under the skin of Kurumi, and I don't think he would be too annoyed at her claiming out of this annoyance. I do not think you are of the same mindset as him. It has less to do with meme and fluff posting, and more to do with lacking regard for the consequences of this specific action.

Lets test this out
Vote Lynch Kurumi

Doddsy · Sep 13, 2023

Lethal said:
Oh dear

Vote: Doddsy

Perma-wolf.

Rude, I've been away for like a year surely it resets.

Sky said:
Ratchet's motivation seems entirely to be to justify the previous mistake of singling out Sig early, rather than an actual scumhunting purpose

What mistake do you mean, just the actual argument in general?

Hans Tweetenberg · Sep 13, 2023

Sky said:
Bruh what

How is that even a valid inference from anything I posted

How do you expect to find reasons for voting people if nobody makes anything happen?

Ratchet · Sep 13, 2023

Bachi said:
Lets test this out
Vote Lynch Kurumi

You don't need to - see previous games from her.

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