Royal Guard (Bleach) in Naruto verse

[Solar Sailor]

That's completely nonsensical. Nothing was destroyed nor did she even say that it would destroy the three worlds.

You’ve completely missed the point on this.

You brought up the fact that the value was not logical because she didn’t destroy them—I just pointed out that even destroying one would give a MUCH higher value than the one we’ve given as it usually when we calc these shits.

I didn’t argue that she did destroy them, that’s completely missing the point of the hypothetical.

In reference to the Fourth World...Bekka lives on Apokolips, she was on Apokolips when it happened...she's even talking to Bruce now...on Apokolips.

Do you… Do you fucking read?

I literally said that I never claimed it was ours.

I also literally said it doesn’t matter if its ours or theres because he still rocked the Star System—HER words.

My point literally still stands either way. I’m convinced you’re not actually paying attention to what I say.

There were no signs of a shockwave, it physically shook all realms at the same time. That's a range feat the fact that all realms are tethered to each other is further proof of that.

My dude. It’s literally explained that it’s her personal Reiryoku. She’s not omnipresent. If it reached that far enough to shake the relms, or if it just sent vibrations that reached the relms, it means it crossed that distance. You think Earthquakes don’t have vibrations?

I'm not sure you understand...to register something as planet level is to say that it carries the force at least equal to blow up the earth, shaking the worlds and the mass of the atmosphere isn't the same thing. You have to actually back these things up with evidence calcs were made for this to show your work..

My brother she didn’t simply shake some planets. She shook the entire cosmology. Think for a second. One planetary earthquake would grab you low continental. Shaking the entire relm that planet is in would net you higher. She shook all three by basically flexing her true power.

you don't need to calc with instances like SSJ Vegeta saying he can blow up the earth because other characters can and he flat out said he could. Senjumaru didn't even say or allude to being able to destroy all worlds that's pure conjecture on your part. With Yhwach its planet level because he was merging all three worlds, see the difference?

Nobody said Senjumaru would destroy all three. What are you even talking about. Can you read

I’ll respond to the rest later. Taking a break here

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Now you see why I hate debating with OrlandoSky?
Dude tries so hard to flex how intelligent he is but all he shows is how dumb he is. This shouldn't even be a fucking debate because we literally see what happens.
The other members of the Royal Guard(sans Ichibe) kill themselves so that Shutara's blood seal is released, she is brimming with absurd levels of energy. The INSTANT she prepares to use Bankai, she instantly shakes all 3 Realms, there is no travel time nor anything.

Seriously, calcs don't mean shit outside of clarification, good eyeballing and critical thinking matters a hell of alot more and always have.

 

[B Rabbit]

Ehh I see both sides.

The real problem is we just don't have many calcers. Especially calcers who care about Bleach. While I agree with the fact it's Planet level. As I said on page one, I'm not against someone question it either.

As we should all question everything and discuss it. We do that for every series.

But seriously @OrlandoSky I agree with @Solar Sailor on this man. I just feel it's more logical to assume it's moon to planet level. I feel like it's not a big jump to conclusion. Atleast we aren't the idiots are the OBD that are jumping for SS/Galaxy level.

 

[Gordo]

“Slightest use”

Narutoverse sweating bullets right now

 

[Solar Sailor]

Shaking them with ease and destroying them are two completely seperate things hence the bowling ball comparison, it's easy to shake a bowling ball with minimal effort but that doesn't mean you can crush one with your hands.

If I shook three different bowling balls that reside in two other dimensions separately while I was in another pocket dimension

just by flexing my muscles?

Yeah I’d say I can break a bowling ball

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

“Slightest use”

Narutoverse sweating bullets right now

Yeah, that's also why me, Blade, Crimson Dragoon and more agree with it.
Because it's just her ACTIVATING her Bankai that did it, unleashing her full power alone. It should be pretty apparent after that her full strength would easily be at that level, if not moreso.

This is not hard to grasp in any fashion.

 

[Masterblack06]

Niggas are too dependent on calcs nowadays.

 

[Claudio Swiss]

The feat is planet level at least could be higher but as of now there's debate to be had over it

 

[B Rabbit]

Niggas are too dependent on calcs nowadays.

I mean not really.

You have been reading that other thread.

 

[OrlandoSky]

If I shook three different bowling balls that reside in two other dimensions separately while I was in another pocket dimension

just by flexing my muscles?

Yeah I’d say I can break a bowling ball

What’s your idea of distance here how far do you think they actually are?

 

[OrlandoSky]

You’ve completely missed the point on this.

You brought up the fact that the value was not logical because she didn’t destroy them—I just pointed out that even destroying one would give a MUCH higher value than the one we’ve given as it usually when we calc these shits.

I didn’t argue that she did destroy them, that’s completely missing the point of the hypothetical.

No, see you’re missing the point even if you use square inverse law, even if you go by shacking the planet that’s not even a billionth of force needed to bust even one planet. There was no statement saying that they could destroy any world so calc or taking at face value seeing it as planet level isn’t a safe assumption at all

Do you… Do you fucking read?

I literally said that I never claimed it was ours.

you said “the” solar system referring to ours, not their solar system…it’s pretty obvious dude

I also literally said it doesn’t matter if its ours or theres because he still rocked the Star System—HER words.

My point literally still stands either way. I’m convinced you’re not actually paying attention to what I say.

It doesn’t because it would be universe level from the scale of how the planets are. Shaking a planet that dwarfs our universe comes out pretty comfortably above universe level

My brother she didn’t simply shake some planets. She shook the entire cosmology. Think for a second. One planetary earthquake would grab you low continental. Shaking the entire relm that planet is in would net you higher. She shook all three by basically flexing her true power.

Shaking empty space is unquantifiable and shaking a planet doesn’t come close to planet busting even if you triple the value or use square inverse law with a shockwave distance. It’s not close, and there’s nothing she said about destroying it so you can’t really make that it’s backed up by statements

Nobody said Senjumaru would destroy all three. What are you even talking about. Can you read

Let me break this down, you don’t want to use a calc because you feel unjustified that it wouldn’t come out to planet level because you can’t factor in unquantifiable values like the shaking of space right? You feel like it’s a safe low end that if she could unleash her full power she could destroy it because passively she’s shaking it.

What I’m trying to explain to you is shaking a planet and busting a planet are different and several tiers apart. You don’t want to use calls…that’s fine but you need to at least reinforce your point with some evidence that she could be a planet buster. You say it’s common sense but you don’t want to use calcs, you say it’s purely a safe outcome based on context but there’s no evidence from the upper limits of it other than she can shake them easily. Thereby an actual safe low end would be to go by the actual shaking of the planets, you’re gonna say square inverse law (even though you also said you don’t want use calcs?) but you need to provide an actual distance for how far you think the worlds are from each other…even if we go by the assumption that they’re spaced out the length of a radius of a planet the outcome wouldn’t be planet level. We’ve reached a problem deadlock
If you just want to go by context clues and her statement it’s not planet level
If you want to go by calcs I don’t think it would come out to planet level either.

 

[OrlandoSky]

But seriously @OrlandoSky I agree with @Solar Sailor on this man. I just feel it's more logical to assume it's moon to planet level. I feel like it's not a big jump to conclusion. Atleast we aren't the idiots are the OBD that are jumping for SS/Galaxy level.

That’s fine, I’m not trying to force you to change your opinion. I’m just asking for evidence, Xho couldn’t provide any and is just trying to devolve this into a verbal snowball fight with me, Sailor says it is based on square inverse law but hasn’t shared what distance timeframe they’re using and also doesn’t want to use calcs but even if we go just by the statement there’s nothing really that bumps it up to planet level.
I’m just looking for substantial evidence

 

[Solar Sailor]

No, see you’re missing the point even if you use square inverse law, even if you go by shacking the planet that’s not even a billionth of force needed to bust even one planet. There was no statement saying that they could destroy any world so calc or taking at face value seeing it as planet level isn’t a safe assumption at all

Sure. Execpt we already established it wasn’t one planet. It was three dimensions that host planets. And she did that shit just by flexing her true power.

you said “the” solar system referring to ours, not their solar system…it’s pretty obvious dude

Let me just accept this red herring argument and tell you it really doesn’t actually matter if it was ours or not because I’m just using this as an example of him shaking a solar system

It doesn’t because it would be universe level from the scale of how the planets are. Shaking a planet that dwarfs our universe comes out pretty comfortably above universe level

No. Apocalypse and New Genesis, as described by their size as “being so big Earth would only displace it’s smallest lake by one meter” are only as big as a Star. Even then, the Boom Tube adjusts their sizes so their actual proportions are still that relative to superman. It’s a solar system.

Not that any of this matters. Universal or not it’s not the fucking point. It’s literally just an example of him shaking celestial objects indirectly

Shaking empty space is unquantifiable and shaking a planet doesn’t come close to planet busting even if you triple the value or use square inverse law with a shockwave distance. It’s not close, and there’s nothing she said about destroying it so you can’t really make that it’s backed up by statements

Nobody mentioned “empty space”

She literally shook the three relms. It goes beyond Multi-Continental (which is something you can achieve by just shaking one planet) and the next threshold is literally Moon Level and then Planet Level.

you don’t want to use a calc because you feel unjustified that it wouldn’t come out to planet level because you can’t factor in unquantifiable values like the shaking of space right?

never said I didn’t want a calc. That’s you pulling a strawman.

What I’m trying to explain to you is shaking a planet and busting a planet are different and several tiers apart.

shaking a planet =/= shaking three dimensions at the size of a planet

-snip-

Let me shorten this wall of text by establishing a few things
1. Nobody is advocating against calcs
2. I’m simply stating you can make arrive at the ball park without needing a calc.
3. Quit stating stawmen to debunk shit

 

[OrlandoSky]

Sure. Execpt we already established it wasn’t one planet. It was three dimensions that host planets. And she did that shit just by flexing her true power.

Right and what part of that feat exactly translates to being planet busting level?

Let me just accept this red herring argument and tell you it really doesn’t actually matter if it was ours or not because I’m just using this as an example of him shaking a solar system


No. Apocalypse and New Genesis, as described by their size as “being so big Earth would only displace it’s smallest lake by one meter” are only as big as a Star. Even then, the Boom Tube adjusts their sizes so their actual proportions are still that relative to superman. It’s a solar system.

No, Orion said that the New Earth universe exists within New Genesis which fits with the Fourth world being a sixth dimensional realm above and around the entire dc multiverse.

Not that any of this matters. Universal or not it’s not the fucking point. It’s literally just an example of him shaking celestial objects indirectly

Which you can quantify and calc with actual physical distance. The Solar System has physical distance, another dimension is unquantifiable because it's a separate plane of reality unless you want to use the distance they travelled via the Garganta in which case it's really not that far.

Nobody mentioned “empty space”

She literally shook the three relms. It goes beyond Multi-Continental (which is something you can achieve by just shaking one planet) and the next threshold is literally Moon Level and then Planet Level.

Space is a void, it exists above the atmosphere unless you think the moon actually exists in the atmosphere.

never said I didn’t want a calc. That’s you pulling a strawman.

No...you can check the previous posts. I bring up calcs you say I'm too reliant on that, I ask for evidence you say its because of square inverse law but because of the unquantifiable fact or shaking the sky it doesn't help shaking three worlds.

shaking a planet =/= shaking three dimensions at the size of a planet


Let me shorten this wall of text by establishing a few things
1. Nobody is advocating against calcs
2. I’m simply stating you can make arrive at the ball park without needing a calc.
3. Quit stating stawmen to debunk shit

1. ok then the safe low end would be shaking three worlds in which case even with square inverse law wouldn't be planet level.
2. All right then show me what context that she says implies that they are planet busting. There's mention of anything being destroyed just shaken that's it. That's not really enough
3. It's not a strawman you're just hopscotching between arguments.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

That’s fine, I’m not trying to force you to change your opinion. I’m just asking for evidence, Xho couldn’t provide any and is just trying to devolve this into a verbal snowball fight with me, Sailor says it is based on square inverse law but hasn’t shared what distance timeframe they’re using and also doesn’t want to use calcs but even if we go just by the statement there’s nothing really that bumps it up to planet level.
I’m just looking for substantial evidence

I like how you try and pretend to be the innocent one asking for the truth when I was explicitly telling you that we can see the feat because we have eyeballs, we can hear what Shutara and the Royal Guard states, we can think about the implications from those two facts.
The only thing we haven't gotten is feeling it because at that point, we would be bosom buddies with freaking Hydaelyn if we was.

You was the one constantly asking for calcs as if that matters to this feat while throwing in bogus reasons why it doesn't count or "makes sense". Again, we can see with our eyes and hear what is said to guess what happened, this isn't even remotely close to the issue with Saitama and Garou's Void feat.

 

[Solar Sailor]

No, Orion said that the New Earth universe exists within New Genesis which fits with the Fourth world being a sixth dimensional realm above and around the entire dc multiverse.

We have Jack Kirby’s statement of the size of New Genesis. It’s the size of a huge star. Even EndlessMike calced it as such.

Right and what part of that feat exactly translates to being planet busting level?

Dunno if it’s sqaurely planet busting. I already said it’s in the ballpark of Moon to Planetoid to Planet Busting, just by the fact that she was affecting all three dimensions just by flexing her true powers.

No...you can check the previous posts. I bring up calcs you say I'm too reliant on that,

I’m not letting you weasel out of the fact you explicitly said I “don’t want to use calcs” in order to strawman my argument. You even said it to @B Rabbit

I said what I said—Calcs helps with giving a precise number, but we can still approximate the ballpark of said feat without it

I never stopped anyone from making a calc and never advocated against making a calc. That was just YOUR strawman

Hell. @Masterblack06 was the one who made the comment on being too reliant on calcs, not me.

Space is a void, it exists above the atmosphere unless you think the moon actually exists in the atmosphere.

You can’t be this obtuse enough to ignore the fact that shaking the earth alone has given us low continental feats in the past

And now, not even including the other relms, you also bring up the good point that there is a moon too which is undoubtedly also affected and shaking alongside the earth

Add that to the fact that she effectively shaking them alongside the other relms, and you honestly still doubt this DOESN’T pass the multi-continental threshold to at least possible moon level shit?

1. ok then the safe low end would be shaking three worlds in which case even with square inverse law wouldn't be planet level

Lets play with that. Three worlds, which include by your admission the Earth-Moon system are all essentially experiencing an Earthquake across dimensions.

This is obviously above Multi-Continental. Guess what’s above that?

2. All right then show me what context that she says implies that they are planet busting. There's mention of anything being destroyed just shaken that's it. That's not really enough

Having enough energy to physically alter three planes of existence that contain a planet-moon system in one of them very much implies she’s crossed the threshold of Moon/Planetod level.

3. It's not a strawman you're just hopscotching between arguments

You literally argued I was somehow vehemently against you using calcs. Quit pretending you weren’t being disingenuous

 

[Solar Sailor]

OrlandoSky can have the last point here. This thread has had enough long post and I don’t have the stamina for it. You guys can keep arguing thos :doge

 

[Gordo]

Wouldn’t Heuco Mundo’s moon also be affected by the shockwaves

:doge

 

[OrlandoSky]

We have Jack Kirby’s statement of the size of New Genesis. It’s the size of a huge star. Even EndlessMike calced it as such.

That's not from Jack Kirby that was from Gerry Conway and that was a solid decade or two before Tom Peyer and Mark Evanier changed their cosmology to being interdimensional giants...it also doesn't contradict my statement since earth would also not displace the the waters if it was smaller than a microbe....dude I know New Gods cosmology isn't your strong suit but you didn't even bother to look this up...and your getting off on a tangent because of a minor correction I gave you lol

Dunno if it’s sqaurely planet busting. I already said it’s in the ballpark of Moon to Planetoid to Planet Busting, just by the fact that she was affecting all three dimensions just by flexing her true powers.

ok, show your work

I’m not letting you weasel out of the fact you explicitly said I “don’t want to use calcs” in order to strawman my argument. You even said it to @B Rabbit

I said what I said—Calcs helps with giving a precise number, but we can still approximate the ballpark of said feat without it

There's no weaseling out of anything...show your actual calc or stop complaining about it

You can’t be this obtuse enough to ignore the fact that shaking the earth alone has given us low continental feats in the past

It's country level actually, even with continent level it doesn't buff it up to planet level still but you haven't shown me your calc yet that makes you so confident so I'm still waiting on that

And now, not even including the other relms, you also bring up the good point that there is a moon too which is undoubtedly also affected and shaking alongside the earth

actually you brought up the moon

Add that to the fact that she effectively shaking them alongside the other relms, and you honestly still doubt this DOESN’T pass the multi-continental threshold to at least possible moon level shit?

Again shaking three planets isn't the same as planet busting "shaking the sky and realm" is pretty unquantifiable even with square inverse law so yes.

Lets play with that. Three worlds, which include by your admission the Earth-Moon system are all essentially experiencing an Earthquake across dimensions.

This is obviously above Multi-Continental. Guess what’s above that?

Again this is pure conjencture on your part that you have yet to back up, still haven't provided a distance between realms btw or what size you think the actual dimensions are

Having enough energy to physically alter three planes of existence that contain a planet-moon system in one of them very much implies she’s crossed the threshold of Moon/Planetod level.


You literally argued I was somehow vehemently against you using calcs. Quit pretending you weren’t being disingenuous

You immediately tried to shoot down the idea of trying to calc it because "they're not the feats that actually happened" which is both inaccurate and odd phrasing...curb your insecurity dude, take a deep breath and calm down. I don't have beef with you and losing your temper like Xho is not helping progress the discussion.

 

[Masterblack06]

So I went and looked it up. To even shake a planet at minimum you need to be in the sextillion of joules.