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@fiamma Anything mentioned about the size of that Phase?

Already got certain people now arguing Phases are little more than pocket dimensions as an argument
 
Astaro said:
@fiamma Anything mentioned about the size of that Phase?

Already got certain people now arguing Phases are little more than pocket dimensions as an argument
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unfortunately The exact sizes of all Phases have never been revealed.

As some people claim, Phases could be pocket dimensions.
However, that doesn't apply to all Phases.

First, let's look at Heaven, one of the most famous Phases.
According to OT Volume 4, it's described that angels exist outside the time axis.
Moreover, the power of Michael, the chief god-level being in the Phase called Heaven, can kill even Aiwass—who resides in the foundational Phase, the World of Physical Laws—with a single blow.

Also, the "World of Physical Laws" is the most famous Phase we know.
It's the core and most fundamental Phase in the Toaruverse.
All dimensions that can be expressed in integer units are part of that Phase.
And it's vastly larger than the general observable universe we know, to the extent that stars can be observed from trillions of light-years away.

Finally, even in the latest volume GT10, it was revealed that the size of the Toaruverse itself—composed of these numerous religious and mythological Phases added to the World of Physical Laws—is infinite.

Moreover, the Hidden Phase that exists beyond that is also a kind of Phase.

This Hidden Phase completely disregards the concepts of space and time, to the extent that a single strand of hair can extend to an infinite distance.
And it is a Phase that transcends all the Phases mentioned above.

At least when it comes to the Phases called the World of Physical Laws and the Hidden Phase, they are not areas that can be described as pocket dimensions.
 
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fiamma said:
unfortunately The exact sizes of all Phases have never been revealed.

As some people claim, Phases could be pocket dimensions.
However, that doesn't apply to all Phases.

First, let's look at Heaven, one of the most famous Phases.
According to OT Volume 4, it's described that angels exist outside the time axis.
Moreover, the power of Michael, the chief god-level being in the Phase called Heaven, can kill even Aiwass—who resides in the foundational Phase, the World of Physical Laws—with a single blow.

Also, the "World of Physical Laws" is the most famous Phase we know.
It's the core and most fundamental Phase in the Toaruverse.
All dimensions that can be expressed in integer units are part of that Phase.
And it's vastly larger than the general observable universe we know, to the extent that stars can be observed from trillions of light-years away.

Finally, even in the latest volume GT10, it was revealed that the size of the Toaruverse itself—composed of these numerous religious and mythological Phases added to the World of Physical Laws—is infinite.

Moreover, the Hidden Phase that exists beyond that is also a kind of Phase.

This Hidden Phase completely disregards the concepts of space and time, to the extent that a single strand of hair can extend to an infinite distance.
And it is a Phase that transcends all the Phases mentioned above.

At least when it comes to the Phases called the World of Physical Laws and the Hidden Phase, they are not areas that can be described as pocket dimensions.
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literally when is this stated lol

it just exists "side-by-side" to the main phase in the surface world
it can't transcend the phases it objectively resides beneath

you're getting the Pure World and the main phase "everyone" lives in confused as well
 
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regardless, size doesn't really matter

Dainsleif calamities can replicate Othinus' destruction of the world, which necessitates that those phases be capable of holding that level of power within them
 
Something I had typed up before fiamma posted:

If God and the angels predate the creation of any phase, where would they have resided?

If God and the angels are only biproducts of human beliefs via religion, then would the Pure World have no divine creator whatsoever? Does that line up with the goals of achieving Level 6 with understanding God's laws and Aleister's Thelema dictating that everyone has a piece of God inside them? Why would something as strange as a soul exist without a creator? Wouldn't it instead be something like all our actions and consciousness are determined by a random assortment of chemical reactions in the brain?
 
Magic Gods are omnipotent and transcend the Trees entirely.

They could simply create another one, if they wanted.
 
Something unrelated to whatever I was on about earlier:
Why is Dante's Inferno the canon Hell in Toaru even lol. I kinda liked CRC's syncretic mish-mash of multiple Hells more ngl
 
so are all the dead Magic Gods like

literally non-existent at this point, because they cant enter any afterlife :blobthink:
 
Assuming literally everything that was stated about Hell in chapter 1 isn't invalidated, they'd get sent to the same Hell, but never look to transcend past the one life they built up, whereas Kingsford and CRC look to come and go.
This was unlike Aleister Crowley and Anna Sprengel, who were extraordinary magicians in their own right. Those two still clung to their lives and formulated their plans and strategies without giving up on living. So even if their skills were transcendent, Kamijou and others could predict their actions to an extent.

The Magic Gods like Othinus and High Priest had sacrificed their lives to master their paths, but it was their understanding of how valuable a life was that allowed them to make such great use of their own.

But this woman lacked that, so she could casually cross the boundary between life and death.
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Othinus even stated that Magic God rituals aren't true deaths, as there's no true resurrection from her point of view (Seems CRC would scoff at that conclusion this volume).
“I am saying she has a chance if we get her in an ambulance where she can receive a
transfusion and stitches. There is no such thing as complete resurrection in this world, so
even Christian Rosenkreuz’s corpse simply does not decompose. Even the Chinese Shijie-
Xian only has a false funeral to cut their ties to this world, so they do not actually die and
come back to life. Death is a holy ground. Once people die, that is the end.”

That god had once destroyed the entire world, remade it as she saw fit, and created a world
where all the dead in the world had been saved in order to drive Kamijou to the edge, so
now she had to describe the inconvenience she herself had brought about.
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Churronzon said:
Assuming literally everything that was stated about Hell in chapter 1 isn't invalidated, they'd get sent to the same Hell, but never look to transcend past the one life they built up, whereas Kingsford and CRC look to come and go.


Othinus even stated that Magic God rituals aren't true deaths, as there's no true resurrection from her point of view (Seems CRC would scoff at that conclusion this volume).
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chickenlover43 needs to make an account here already

he's allergic to being wrong :char
 
fiamma said:
Finally, even in the latest volume GT10, it was revealed that the size of the Toaruverse itself—composed of these numerous religious and mythological Phases added to the World of Physical Laws—is infinite
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Do you have a quote for this?
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unless you want to have nuke level archangels with this logic
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How does this get nuke level Archangels when we're explicitly told that their very presence can destroy the universe?

Anyways, the Archangel scaling should be like this-Lucifer=Michael>Coronzon

Lucifer was the greatest angel of heaven before he fell, Michael was strong enough to stand up against Lucifer and banish him with empowerment from God, and I don't remember Coronzon being mentioned to have exceptional strength compared to other angels other than guarding the Sephiroth Tree.
 
Darth Zion said:
Do you have a quote for this?

How does this get nuke level Archangels when we're explicitly told that their very presence can destroy the universe?

Anyways, the Archangel scaling should be like this-Lucifer=Michael>Coronzon

Lucifer was the greatest angel of heaven before he fell, Michael was strong enough to stand up against Lucifer and banish him with empowerment from God, and I don't remember Coronzon being mentioned to have exceptional strength compared to other angels other than guarding the Sephiroth Tree.
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All of the flames Aleister had created gathered at a single point, took the shape of a lightbulb-like incandescent bronze pig, and then charged at the silver girl who had supposedly created them.
As soon as he stabbed it from above with his wand, it burst and spewed flames in every direction.
The pure firepower may have rivaled a nuclear weapon.
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- NT21

He used this fire spell against said archangels and Mathers.
 
Darth Zion said:
Do you have a quote for this?

How does this get nuke level Archangels when we're explicitly told that their very presence can destroy the universe?

Anyways, the Archangel scaling should be like this-Lucifer=Michael>Coronzon

Lucifer was the greatest angel of heaven before he fell, Michael was strong enough to stand up against Lucifer and banish him with empowerment from God, and I don't remember Coronzon being mentioned to have exceptional strength compared to other angels other than guarding the Sephiroth Tree.
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Wasn't Coronzon stated to be of a "different pyramid" than Michael or Gabriel?
Because she technically exists in Atziluth rather than Briah.


She should be more powerful just by default of her nature of existence in a higher realm than them.
 
Paxton said:
He used this fire spell against said archangels and Mathers
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So? The spell could have just been laden with some hax like the flames used against CRC, or it could have just been a metaphor like 'as fast as lightning'

And more importantly, what does this have to do with Flaming Sword being equal to Gugnir?
Paxton said:
Because she technically exists in Atziluth rather than Briah.
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She can move up and down the Sephiroth freely.
 
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