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im not really pushing ratchet. ratchet is pushing me. i accomplished what i wanted which was to get something going for the game. by all means that is what i did and people are involved and providing reads and analysis now. you can say that wasn't my intention and anyone that knows me would you tell it's often my objective. outside of that, there's a lot of WG players that just live and die by ratchet's alignment. his last two scum games had people unwilling to really consider him a scum player even when pushed by others. some of you are far too comfortable town reading a player that often dupes you and you lose to.


as for the bolded, what about post flip? would the advantage still be there?

any good scum player knows they need two things to win, 1) people that town read them 2) votes to achieve majority.

why would you vote a can that you can pocket with a town read and keep around and would make you look bad post flip if you were to ever push for a mislynch than keep them around.
I am aware that you're not pushing Ratchet, and I am not making that argument either.
I'll agree that you made some discussion going, but I still think that the premise of the discussion is strange at best.

Also I am noticing that you're trying to plant the seeds of doubt when it comes to ratchet as you say "there's a lot of WG players that just live and die by ratchet's alignment".
What do you gain by saying this to me in this scenario?
What have I done that implies I've locked Ratchet as Town and that I will die on that hill?


As for the second part of this post, I don't believe that Ratchet would struggle to play off his misread on me, I would think it to be quite simple.

Speaking of which;

Unvote

I don't think we'll get anywhere with this Ruffles vote by the looks of his reactions.

And on that note I am not impressed with Gram's showing so far. His posts are lukewarm at best, no substance at all from him.
 
I am aware that you're not pushing Ratchet, and I am not making that argument either.
I'll agree that you made some discussion going, but I still think that the premise of the discussion is strange at best.
there has been zero discussion since i stepped back so i disagree. whether you find it strange or not is besides the point, it gives people things to comment on and that's useful. you cant comment on nothing otherwise people just fluff.

Also I am noticing that you're trying to plant the seeds of doubt when it comes to ratchet as you say "there's a lot of WG players that just live and die by ratchet's alignment".
that's an observation. people in games still say to never trust or town read me easily because it can bite them whereas i never see similar comments directed at ratchet despite it biting them a lot. he makes straight forward and logical points but that isn't really a basis for a town read.
What do you gain by saying this to me in this scenario?
you in particular i gain nothing. the last 3 scum games ratchet won were largely uncontested by the players left around him after he bussed a singular teammate in each. it's silly to watch it happen. have some paranoia, it's good for you.
What have I done that implies I've locked Ratchet as Town and that I will die on that hill?
never said you locked it but again it's common for people to leave him as a semi-read and then never get around to doing anything about it as he only gains more thread control as games progress.
As for the second part of this post, I don't believe that Ratchet would struggle to play off his misread on me, I would think it to be quite simple.
he could play it off or he could have people that support his positions. youre ignoring that bit of it.
 
Kinda

Not a whole lot of substantial discussion going on imo

I think Mango has been doing the best in that regard, though it's still not clear enough from the stuff he's pointed out for me to feel good voting for anyone
what did you make of ratchet and i's back and forth?

thoughts on watson/luka?
 
's an observation. people in games still say to never trust or town read me easily because it can bite them whereas i never see similar comments directed at ratchet despite it biting them a lot. he makes straight forward and logical points but that isn't really a basis for a town read
to add to these observations, I notice one of the reasons he's so hard to parse as scum for people is him being emotionally disengaged. I can't read players well at all unless I get some kind of emotional entanglement at some points of the game - not just ire or annoyance, but being frustratingly defeated genuinely regardless of their alignment.

I have to navigate purely by the logic he presents toward the class. And that's very difficult as it gets to the brains of the matter - essentially he forces you to skip your innate emotional experience and just read it straight

I think I have some knowledge on a very specific tell but I wanna see if he keeps doing it
 
there has been zero discussion since i stepped back so i disagree. whether you find it strange or not is besides the point, it gives people things to comment on and that's useful. you cant comment on nothing otherwise people just fluff.
This I agree to.

Apparently anyone else who has read the interaction got nothing from it, in particular I expected Gram to at least have some semblance of an opinion of something - but he's completely blank.

What do you make of him having no impression, no reads and taking no initiative?
that's an observation. people in games still say to never trust or town read me easily because it can bite them whereas i never see similar comments directed at ratchet despite it biting them a lot. he makes straight forward and logical points but that isn't really a basis for a town read.
Okay, well you have to understand that the way that input read to me seemed to imply that I would do just that, and by implying this you are also implying that Ratchet isn't town.
Which is at this stage an interesting point to make.

I don't have him either one way, so for someone who doesn't push Ratchet you are seemingly trying to plant something for later the way I see it.
you in particular i gain nothing. the last 3 scum games ratchet won were largely uncontested by the players left around him after he bussed a singular teammate in each. it's silly to watch it happen. have some paranoia, it's good for you.
If you've read the thread, which I know you have, especially my interaction with Watson it should be clear that my stance on Ratchet is one that I am quite wary of him.
I don't give him free town reads, and I don't dare to either. He's played me before, quite badly too.
he could play it off or he could have people that support his positions. youre ignoring that bit of it.
I'm not sure what this argument is, could you rephrase fully what it is you're arguing here?
 
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