Game Ranked Tower of God Mafia Thread

[Ultra]

Lind is town.

So is kuri.

That's FIVE strong town reads. Magnificent.

Gad/ekko/Polar are weak town leans.

@Magic Elaborate on all of these

 

[Sharter Holmes]

Gad also seems well within his scum range, find it kinda weird nobody is trying to kill him

Boobies don't do this

 

[Lord Melkor]

I'm going to just toss some of my thoughts out here in an unorganized fashion and pull up quotes later when I get home on PC

[Vote lynch Magic]

Found myself mostly nodding along with Ratchet in their exchange. I think Magic kind of falls flat on his face here with his entrance and I think what I'm seeing here is an element of his play that's one of his few weaknesses as scum - he says things that sound mostly coherent but when you scrutinize them a bit more it doesn't really make sense what he's talking about or why.

Just reading the first couple of pages of the exchange between him and Ratchet I get the feeling Magic misses the nuance of very obvious points quite a few times in a way he wouldn't normally do as town, in particular he tries to leverage some sort of pocketing accusation towards Ratchet that felt more like he was working backwards from that conclusion more than anything else. This is something I caught from him a couple of times during Hades and I regret not holding him to what he was saying a bit more. He draws some sort of gotchya here between positions on Melkor and Mango that really aren't incompatible at all

I don't really think it's like him at all to get into the weeds over arguments like this without stepping back and asking himself what the bigger picture is, and notably absent from this exchange is does he actually think the read on Lord Melkor is valid and if he's overextending himself at all here and he doesn't at all.

I got Watson/Mango/Luka/Ratchet penciled in as town.

Not a big fan of Lord Melkor's posts in particular the way they handled Luka's suspicion of them, which as far as I could tell was to give them a town read for no reason after previously implying their behavior was scummy. But I don't think he's likely to be aligned with Magic

Gad also seems well within his scum range, find it kinda weird nobody is trying to kill him

Luka is not a strong town read, I said GTH he may be town since he implied my initial posts were about shading him. He is trending down though since only his recent post is that he is not impressed by my catch-up.

Gad's posts make some sense and he seems to be self-concious - may be indeed scum here per his meta.

 

[Magic]

I'm going to just toss some of my thoughts out here in an unorganized fashion and pull up quotes later when I get home on PC

[Vote lynch Magic]

Found myself mostly nodding along with Ratchet in their exchange. I think Magic kind of falls flat on his face here with his entrance and I think what I'm seeing here is an element of his play that's one of his few weaknesses as scum - he says things that sound mostly coherent but when you scrutinize them a bit more it doesn't really make sense what he's talking about or why.

that sounds like a fair observation of my scum play. that was actually something chr1st0 told me in 2012 that despite looking like im making sense it isn't really making sense!

Just reading the first couple of pages of the exchange between him and Ratchet I get the feeling Magic misses the nuance of very obvious points quite a few times in a way he wouldn't normally do as town, in particular he tries to leverage some sort of pocketing accusation towards Ratchet that felt more like he was working backwards from that conclusion more than anything else.

ratchet said that as well because it's true. i told him to be weary of ratchet because im tired of losing games to ratchet where the surviving town players get nowhere close because they'd rather defer to ratchet all the while getting pocketed by him. hence why i brought it up.

then it actually started looking somewhat like a pocket!

This is something I caught from him a couple of times during Hades and I regret not holding him to what he was saying a bit more. He draws some sort of gotchya here between positions on Melkor and Mango that really aren't incompatible at all

i did no gotcha on anyone though. it was never even something i was pursuing, they were questions.

I don't really think it's like him at all to get into the weeds over arguments like this without stepping back and asking himself what the bigger picture is, and notably absent from this exchange is does he actually think the read on Lord Melkor is valid and if he's overextending himself at all here and he doesn't at all.

i think the reads on melkor are what gad referenced which is the guy is often misread. literally the last game i played, which was yours i think, melkor was sussed almost the whole time and i said i felt he was saying somewhat scummy shit but felt he was town despite it. people dont really read melkor well so stepping back and looking at it would just arrive me to that conclusion, i.e. it doesn't really give me much details on anything because town is just as likely to push melkor as scum due to the way he comes off. i also dont really read him well so i have thoughts on his alignment as of yet.

I got Watson/Mango/Luka/Ratchet penciled in as town.

outside of ratchet you have the same town reads as me and ones i stated almost immediately. that gives you no pause in your accusation?

Not a big fan of Lord Melkor's posts in particular the way they handled Luka's suspicion of them, which as far as I could tell was to give them a town read for no reason after previously implying their behavior was scummy. But I don't think he's likely to be aligned with Magic

why do you not think we'd be aligned.

Gad also seems well within his scum range, find it kinda weird nobody is trying to kill him

what would you say this scum range is?

 

[Magic]

@Magic Elaborate on all of these

lind's vibing and posting is similar to me as he was in your game.

i like ichago's tone and responses to pressure and their prodding.

im not elaborating on weaker town reads.

 

[Ultra]

my painting of the topic is fine m8.

if you want plain facts that people can read as black and white there's:

ratchet struggled with town reads when some of the people that have already participated shouldn't be hard to town read or at least engage with(outside of yourself, id expect him to have some thoughts on watson for example). while admitting he struggled with town reads he also didn't really engage anyone to gain a read on them. his entire focus was on arguing with me, which is wasteful. i didn't just interact with ratchet and call it a day, i made a point to get others involved and reading others.

there's also ratchet having previously mentioned in games that it's better to be tactful in day 1 lynches, i.e. he will forego some of the stronger players in the game because the consequences of mislynching them is much higher. id have to go find the example and im pretty to do that, but im pretty sure he used that exact thought process when it came to lynching me day 1 of a previous game. despite that kind of thinking he decided to push me early on rather than let anything play out. even if he felt gaslit that is entirely a waste of his time and i dont really think he expects or would go through with lynching me as it's contradictory to his own logic so what exactly is the point of it outside of trying to put me on the defensive.

this is why im sus of ratchet. that said i take a similar approach to not really wanting to go for stronger players immediately on day 1 so im exploring other things. not that i wouldnt lynch one of them day 1, just that it's not the best use of time to open the game with.

I also forgot to mention, this feels a little disingenuous, we just came off last game where Ratchet came in and dropped CP like a sack of potatoes on entrance, I think his threshold (and mine for that matter) to go after "Tier 1" players is quite flexible. Not like you/Gram where you'll rule out somebody because of their hypothetical input or whatever

 

[Magic]

Luka is not a strong town read, I said GTH he may be town since he implied my initial posts were about shading him. He is trending down though since only his recent post is that he is not impressed by my catch-up.

Gad's posts make some sense and he seems to be self-concious - may be indeed scum here per his meta.

where was he self conscious?

 

[Sigismund]

"Tier 1" players

Oh are we tiering Mafia people now?

I got Dibs on top of the Lurker/Bottom/F Tier for my spot

 

[Magic]

I also forgot to mention, this feels a little disingenuous, we just came off last game where Ratchet came in and dropped CP like a sack of potatoes on entrance, I think his threshold (and mine for that matter) to go after "Tier 1" players is quite flexible. Not like you/Gram where you'll rule out somebody because of their hypothetical input or whatever

seeing as i already provided direct quotes and references id prefer you go look at those opposed to suggesting im disingenuous. i dont make stuff up that cant be proven.

he dropped cp day 2 and with 2k or nearly 2k worth of content to go by opposed to 200 posts in the early stages of day 1.

btw it was me that still wanted to lynch craig in members when you opted for GAD ya ninny.

 

[Jaguark101]

anyone you have as town so far yet?

if you have time do you mind sharing what you think of ichago, pls and ty.

Ichigo jumped straight on Luka and am not too sure why, I am not too sure on him. I will check Aurelain's posts as well

 

[Ultra]

that sounds like a fair observation of my scum play. that was actually something chr1st0 told me in 2012 that despite looking like im making sense it isn't really making sense!


ratchet said that as well because it's true. i told him to be weary of ratchet because im tired of losing games to ratchet where the surviving town players get nowhere close because they'd rather defer to ratchet all the while getting pocketed by him. hence why i brought it up.

then it actually started looking somewhat like a pocket!


i did no gotcha on anyone though. it was never even something i was pursuing, they were questions.


i think the reads on melkor are what gad referenced which is the guy is often misread. literally the last game i played, which was yours i think, melkor was sussed almost the whole time and i said i felt he was saying somewhat scummy shit but felt he was town despite it. people dont really read melkor well so stepping back and looking at it would just arrive me to that conclusion, i.e. it doesn't really give me much details on anything because town is just as likely to push melkor as scum due to the way he comes off. i also dont really read him well so i have thoughts on his alignment as of yet.

outside of ratchet you have the same town reads as me and ones i stated almost immediately. that gives you no pause in your accusation?


why do you not think we'd be aligned.

what would you say this scum range is?

The thing about telling Mango to be wary of Ratchet is while it isn't untrue, I think you know what you're doing by establishing it, it plants the seed of him acting as puppetmaster. I also think it's a little premature, don't think Mango discounted the possibility that Ratchet could be pocketing him either.

As far as sharing town reads goes, no, you're quite generous with them and are capable of recognizing situationally who is likely to be pushed and who's not. I'm more inclined to give you credit when you take people off the table that I would consider town with greater mislynch potential.

 

[Jaguark101]

@Magic Yeah not too sure what Aurelain is up to here, Does not seem to be taking it too seriously almost like he is goading people to vote him...

 

[Ultra]

Luka is not a strong town read, I said GTH he may be town since he implied my initial posts were about shading him. He is trending down though since only his recent post is that he is not impressed by my catch-up.

Gad's posts make some sense and he seems to be self-concious - may be indeed scum here per his meta.

I don't like this read because your progression feels a bit backwards here, felt like you were leaning towards scum reading Luka and then he started tunneling you and you town read him.

Do you have any read on him based on his meta? Because he comes off pretty strongly as town to me so far.

 

[Lord Melkor]

I never said I 100% believe him but his flavor matches and he's proven he has double vote so that is what it is.

I'm voting Reloaded but as a joke so idk where I'm gonna move my vote to. I'm down to pushing Fang to claim but I still find Ichi sus for that one post I quoted.

@Magic this is an example of post I would call self-concious from Gad. Is he so self-explanatory as town?

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Ichigo. The person ratchet keeps calling Michele

Kuri is ok, Ouri is fine :p
Kuro, Ichigo, anything related to strawberries, what Mango called me, etc.

do you find mango more town because of it?

He has a level of towniness who comes from the way he expresses his reads and the way his thoughts flow freely.
That post can add to a town read a plus and I think it comes in general more from town.
Scum can say it, but if you take it that way, any post can come from a wolf

then vote ichi because we have less than 24 hours and with 14 votes needed we cant still be doing joke votes.

 

[Sigismund]

I know @Flower is a host, but it's weird seeing her with so low of a Post count

Or me having a higher post count than her

 

[Magic]

@Rugrat see, MEMORY.

 

[Lord Melkor]

I don't like this read because your progression feels a bit backwards here, felt like you were leaning towards scum reading Luka and then he started tunneling you and you town read him.

Do you have any read on him based on his meta? Because he comes off pretty strongly as town to me so far.

Luka seems to be playing differently between games, I do not have a current meta for him.

 

[Ultra]

seeing as i already provided direct quotes and references id prefer you go look at those opposed to suggesting im disingenuous. i dont make stuff up that cant be proven.

he dropped cp day 2 and with 2k or nearly 2k worth of content to go by opposed to 200 posts in the early stages of day 1.

btw it was me that still wanted to lynch craig in members when you opted for GAD ya ninny.

I don't mean to say that he didn't say or imply that, it's more along the lines of I've played with Ratchet for years and I don't think find it something I'd hold him to so it falls a bit flat. Especially since he recognized that he might be getting a bit ambitious himself.

I don't really think Ratchet would hesitate to lynch CP on Day 1 either.

 

[Magic]

Kuri is ok, Ouri is fine :p
Kuro, Ichigo, anything related to strawberries, what Mango called me, etc.

He has a level of towniness who comes from the way he expresses his reads and the way his thoughts flow freely.
That post can add to a town read a plus and I think it comes in general more from town.
Scum can say it, but if you take it that way, any post can come from a wolf

why did you ignore the other two questions?