Quote was “The Thames Troll was a special familiar even among fairy-tale monsters. While lacking the incredible reality-warping abilities of Flat Snark, it’s sheer mass, durability, and strength were second to none”
Would suggest that Flat Snark’s only advantage, if it had one, is the reality warping.
I honestly don’t see why not in the context of the former quote.
Especially given the exact quote discussing peak Thames Troll appears to include Aoko using Blue? Said even using her strongest ability she’d be screwed in World of Ploys 5.
Like i said, i have no problem with Thames being > Flat if it has access to all its shit.
Problem is that under Alice , it doesn't and i'm just not convinced that in its iron form it is superior to Flat in any way.
The quote is made in a general way, and it doesn't differentiate between Thames in its second form and Thames in its third and fourth.
Also, i'm guessing that neither Flat nor Thames are actually the strongest Ploys. It's probably the third one, which was saved from a sequel which may never come.
The E feels kind of superfluous given I can’t think of what that negates what she can’t just endure/tank
E shouldn't be able to negate anything. Just weaken whatever its thrown at the wearer . If nothing else, it's additional layer of defense and it would work well in conjunction with AOG magecraft.
How sure are we that she’s a typical example rather than above the norm?
It's hard to say without another person to compare her to but looking at her way of fighting, where she pretty much only uses her natural abilities as an Elemental, without any buff or specific item, the fact that as combat go , she's not particularly good at it and the fact that she got weakened after centuries of isolation, i don't think there's any reason as to why she'd be above the norm, at least not in the same way Arcuied is .
The only thing that would set her above the norm is her Sirius Light, something that she never used.
Clearly has something to do with giving a middle finger to Entropy in the moment if nothing else.
Yes, but we still don't know to what extent she can give the middle finger and what specifically about that would give Arc trouble.
Why wouldn’t that have been a thing? Shit, Grand Servants have been alluded to long before Grand Order with FSN, Dark Sakura’s even compared to one, just in the older terminology of counter guardian/pure heroic spirit.
What thing are you referring to specifically ? I don't think i understand the context ?
Do we have the original quote? Because I know it was from some ancient dead spoiler forum or something with no direct citation I can find.
I tried to find it but to no avail.
And now that i think about it , did the original quote specify that 30% Arc would win 7/10 against Aoko ? IIRC it didn't.
Given that both the Remake and original, 20 to 30% Arc didn't even want to risk meeting her.
Figured maybe he’d at least have allusion with that exposition on the new ranking system tbh
Nope, he's still a DAA and Roa is impressed with his magecraft works even after 800 years.
That's about it really.
Thames was destroyed and countered rather than poofed though
Yeah, so we can conclude that Thames either did pack enough magical power to make Beo bother or that the Mystery of Thames was enough to make him bother. Either way, a feat for Thames.
Thought he had his back to Tokyo’s mercy kill attempt though?
He did, but the accolades that he possesses really makes me think that it wouldn't be much of an issue , if at the moment he was indeed at that level.
Feels like a stretch given it was acclimating to the city that caused him to weaken through gaining knowledge counter to the common sense of his mountain life
Sure, but i look at it like the potential is still there and as we know with other TM protags, you can be made to reach a temporary mind state where you can pull insane shit for a a limited period which in Shizuki's case would be reaching his previous strength levels
Dunno, that just feels like a stretch when all’s said and done.
Eh maybe... i was just spitballing anyway.
